The Breakdown (TV Show)
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@sparky said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
Take a deep breath, Helen Lovejoy. You want a public apology for that? Good grief.
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@Smudge I’m sure those quotes will go up in the team room of every team the ABs play in the World cup. Idiotic stuff from Wilson and Sky. No awareness of why some people dislike NZ Rugby arogance.
@sparky I understand your point, but I doubt any team will get any extra motivation from what an ex AB says on a rugby programme. I must admit to watching Breakdown without being a huge fan (I just watch rugby stuff anywhere), bit by christ I watched a lot of them while in living in Aussie, and never once thought 'gee the ABs will get fired up after that comment'. I think if a coach or present player says something you can use, but I doubt whether all this put on dressing room wall is really anything. We get Stuart Barnes, etc saying stuff rubbishing ABs (and plenty more) I would assume ABs wouldn't even read it and if did, would shrug shoulders. I used to laugh when mates would say that about Kearnsie, Marto ,Kafe, Harrison etc in Aus, it's their opinion, were paid to give it and if it's what players use to get fired up, then players got probkems.
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@Smudge I’m sure those quotes will go up in the team room of every team the ABs play in the World cup. Idiotic stuff from Wilson and Sky. No awareness of why some people dislike NZ Rugby arogance.
@sparky said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@Smudge I’m sure those quotes will go up in the team room of every team the ABs play in the World cup. Idiotic stuff from Wilson and Sky. No awareness of why some people dislike NZ Rugby arogance.
merde! i was going to cruise through this World Cup opener against Nouvelle Zelande, but now that a former player said some shit on a TV show i don't watch, i might actually smash someone
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Shock horror. Sports show commercial TV panel features provocative commentary from former player. What do you think these guys are paid to do, for goodness sake? If they turned up in tweed jackets, sagely nodding and sounding reasonable and measured, how do you think the ratings would go? These players turned pundits are paid to have strong opinions and express them emphatically with the intention of appalling half the audience and enthralling the other half. That’s what the media is for. It’s an attention-generating business. Your job as a sports broadcaster is to generate engagement so that the company you work for can sell maximum eyeballs to advertisers at the highest yield. And you do that by making big statements that get shared through tweets like Andy Goode’s.
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@Smudge I’m sure those quotes will go up in the team room of every team the ABs play in the World cup. Idiotic stuff from Wilson and Sky. No awareness of why some people dislike NZ Rugby arogance.
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Shock horror. Sports show commercial TV panel features provocative commentary from former player. What do you think these guys are paid to do, for goodness sake? If they turned up in tweed jackets, sagely nodding and sounding reasonable and measured, how do you think the ratings would go? These players turned pundits are paid to have strong opinions and express them emphatically with the intention of appalling half the audience and enthralling the other half. That’s what the media is for. It’s an attention-generating business. Your job as a sports broadcaster is to generate engagement so that the company you work for can sell maximum eyeballs to advertisers at the highest yield. And you do that by making big statements that get shared through tweets like Andy Goode’s.
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@His-Bobness it would be nice if they were paid to provide some actual analysis, or asked some hard questions of the ABs. Even if you're cynical and think the former too hard for the masses, the latter should generate some attention.
@reprobate There are plenty of YouTube experts who provide more granular analysis, but the fact is that the vast majority of punters just want their prejudices confirmed, which is the nature of mass media markets everywhere (not just NZ, by the way). Agree, though, that NZ’s ‘official’ rugby media is a tad too close to the people who run the game. I think that’s even more true of the Aotearoa rugby pod, where the bench of Parsons and Hall, as contemporaries of the current generation of players, are really unable to offer frank and fearless objective opinion and analysis.
In Australia, a lot of the commentators also see it almost as their duty to talk the Wallabies up and be part of the corporate marketing machine for the ARU. In the case here, though, that’s a reflection of the hugely competitive sporting market in the winter codes and the fact that union has been on the slide for years. Having said that, I do think Nine’s Stan has improved the coverage than when it was under the miserable Murdoch Fox umbrella.
The economics of media is against any significant change in sports coverage. Legacy media’s business model got busted two decades ago by the internet. Since then, the old Chinese walls between ownership, advertising and editorial have broken down. Media ‘properties’ have largely become allied to the commercial imperatives of owners and advertisers. Independent analysis and journalism becomes a fringe activity outside the mainstream.
It’s analogous to the trajectory of neoliberal capitalism for the last 30 to 40 years. Rugby itself is being hollowed out by big money seeking short-term returns. Either way, the public suffers.
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@sparky Oh please. You don’t think there are arrogant pundits on South African, English and Australian sports shows? Get a grip.
@His-Bobness said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@sparky Oh please. You don’t think there are arrogant pundits on South African, English and Australian sports shows? Get a grip.
There are. But it ain’t sensible to lower to their level.
The respect the All Blacks have built internationally over years is for being classy (speaking humbly in interviews, respecting opponents, signing lots of autographs with kids etc.).
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no it's not. it's for winning. a lot.
@mariner4life said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
no it's not. it's for winning. a lot.
There are plenty of sporting sides that have won more titles like the Aussie League team or the Aussie Cricket team or the New England Patriots under Brady.
The All Blacks used to win but they weren’t at all cocky about it.
Jeff Wilson has done huge damage to the NZ Rugby brand. He should leave the arrogant shit and disrespecting opponents to the guys like Phil Kearns.
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unbunch your panties, he has done no such thing.
The ABs are loved overseas about as much as the New England Patriots are outside of Boston. Respected? yes. Loved? no, not even a little bit.
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unbunch your panties, he has done no such thing.
The ABs are loved overseas about as much as the New England Patriots are outside of Boston. Respected? yes. Loved? no, not even a little bit.
@mariner4life said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
The ABs are loved overseas about as much as the New England Patriots are outside of Boston. Respected? yes. Loved? no, not even a little bit.
Sorry. I just think you’re wrong.
I have had loads of conversations over the years with Irish/French/English/Saffa/Scots/Welsh (okay, Aussies not so much) fans who describe the ABs as their second team. ‘If we don’t win we’d like it to be you.’
I suspect France and South Africa are in that place now.
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And the rest of the world has spotted what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown. His arrogance was inappropriate for a former All Black and disrespectful of the Old Foe and lots of other teams who will be giving their all to try and win the World Cup, include the host nation France who the ABs will face next Friday.
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
https://twitter.com/andygoode10/status/1696231725817307304?s=46
@sparky very disingenuous from Goldie ,that victory from the Springboks was very impressive and even if you were the most ardent All Black supporter you would have to be seriously concerned about the way the Boks systematically choked the life out of the All Blacks.
The first 20 minutes of constant pressure whilst not reaping many points dictated not just the pace of the game but firmly put the official on the Boks side especially with the constant infractions.I suspect the confidence levels in the All Blacks camp has taken a massive hit after this loss .
All these players that backed Foster , will now need to stand up big time come quarter final time assuming we get past France and Italy -
@His-Bobness said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@sparky Oh please. You don’t think there are arrogant pundits on South African, English and Australian sports shows? Get a grip.
There are. But it ain’t sensible to lower to their level.
The respect the All Blacks have built internationally over years is for being classy (speaking humbly in interviews, respecting opponents, signing lots of autographs with kids etc.).
@sparky said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@His-Bobness said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@sparky Oh please. You don’t think there are arrogant pundits on South African, English and Australian sports shows? Get a grip.
There are. But it ain’t sensible to lower to their level.
The respect the All Blacks have built internationally over years is for being classy (speaking humbly in interviews, respecting opponents, signing lots of autographs with kids etc.).
Don't forget sweeping out the sheds!
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@mariner4life said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
no it's not. it's for winning. a lot.
There are plenty of sporting sides that have won more titles like the Aussie League team or the Aussie Cricket team or the New England Patriots under Brady.
The All Blacks used to win but they weren’t at all cocky about it.
Jeff Wilson has done huge damage to the NZ Rugby brand. He should leave the arrogant shit and disrespecting opponents to the guys like Phil Kearns.
@sparky said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@mariner4life said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
no it's not. it's for winning. a lot.
There are plenty of sporting sides that have won more titles like the Aussie League team or the Aussie Cricket team or the New England Patriots under Brady.
The All Blacks used to win but they weren’t at all cocky about it.
Jeff Wilson has done huge damage to the NZ Rugby brand. He should leave the arrogant shit and disrespecting opponents to the guys like Phil Kearns.
Wilson was when he scored tries. He carried on like a real pillock compared to Jonah and Cully both of whom were generally satisfied with a slight raise of the eyebrow when they scored ( usually better tries than he did )
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Who cares if they’re ‘loved’ or not. Do you think the Australian cricket team are ‘loved’? The point is to win. Fairly, honourably, in good spirit. But to win.
@His-Bobness said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
Who cares if they’re ‘loved’ or not. Do you think the Australian cricket team are ‘loved’? The point is to win. Fairly, honourably, in good spirit. But to win.
Ideally you want to be loved and feared. But if you have to choose one, it’s better to be feared.
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@His-Bobness said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
Who cares if they’re ‘loved’ or not. Do you think the Australian cricket team are ‘loved’? The point is to win. Fairly, honourably, in good spirit. But to win.
Ideally you want to be loved and feared. But if you have to choose one, it’s better to be feared.
@sparky That, I can agree with it.
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@His-Bobness said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
Who cares if they’re ‘loved’ or not. Do you think the Australian cricket team are ‘loved’? The point is to win. Fairly, honourably, in good spirit. But to win.
Ideally you want to be loved and feared. But if you have to choose one, it’s better to be feared.
@sparky from SA's Keohane, am sure, like Goldie, he speaks for the current boks and thier fans.
The Springboks will hammer France in the World Cup final to retain their status as world champions, writes MARK KEOHANE.
The defending world champions completed their preparations for the World Cup with a record-breaking 35-7 victory over New Zealand at a sold-out Twickenham.
It was the All Blacks’ biggest-ever loss and came just a few weeks after Ian Foster’s side battled to beat Eddie Jones’ struggling Wallabies by two points in the second Bledisloe Cup Test.
Meanwhile, England suffered a first-ever defeat to Fiji at home, Ireland were pushed to the limit in a narrow win against Samoa, and France produced a second-half show after a sluggish first half to comfortably beat Australia.
Making his World Cup predictions on his blog Keo.co.za in the wake of the warm-up matches, Keohane wrote on that South Africa and France will contest the final, with the Boks coming out on top to retain the Webb Ellis Cup.
“Realistically, there are four teams who will compete to win this World Cup: Ireland, France, South Africa and New Zealand. Outside of the Boks, I don’t see anyone stopping France.
“I thought, maybe the All Blacks but the Boks, at Twickenham, provided the necessary evidence that the All Blacks get 10 points in every match on historical – and deserved – hype but the current imposters give up 15 points by way of introduction.
“Such is the acceptance of New Zealanders, they actually found positives in their worst loss in history. How is that the mindset of champions? It is one of knowing your team is going nowhere.
“Ireland, after the Boks have dealt with them in the Group stages, will be dealt with by France. Which leaves just the hosts and the defending champions to contest the final.
“My winner and score, which must be revisited on 28 October, is for the Boks to complete the most amazing World Cup double and win successive World Cup finals with 20-point differentials.”
️ SA Rugby Magazine | ️ 
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I gotta agree with this bit, positives from a spanking in the sign of a bullshit team
“Such is the acceptance of New Zealanders, they actually found positives in their worst loss in history. How is that the mindset of champions? It is one of knowing your team is going nowhere.
