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RWC squads 2023

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  • His BobnessH His Bobness

    Question for the brain’s trust here: What is Fozzie’s rationale for sticking with five wingers and being underpowered in the second row and loose forwards when the consequences of that are already evident? We know World Cups are forward-dominated grind-fests and that every time the ABs have come unstuck since 2019 it’s been due to Fozzy’s dogged insistence that the team try and run opponents off their feet. The old quote about the definition of insanity comes to mind.

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    @His-Bobness said in RWC squads 2023:

    Question for the brain’s trust here: What is Fozzie’s rationale for sticking with five wingers and being underpowered in the second row and loose forwards when the consequences of that are already evident? We know World Cups are forward-dominated grind-fests and that every time the ABs have come unstuck since 2019 it’s been due to Fozzy’s dogged insistence that the team try and run opponents off their feet. The old quote about the definition of insanity comes to mind.

    Obviously I am not qualified to answer, but maybe he's not confident he can find powerful enough forwards and thinks his only change is, as you say, insanely, run them off their feet?

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      @His-Bobness said in RWC squads 2023:

      Question for the brain’s trust here: What is Fozzie’s rationale for sticking with five wingers and being underpowered in the second row and loose forwards when the consequences of that are already evident? We know World Cups are forward-dominated grind-fests and that every time the ABs have come unstuck since 2019 it’s been due to Fozzy’s dogged insistence that the team try and run opponents off their feet. The old quote about the definition of insanity comes to mind.

      Obviously I am not qualified to answer, but maybe he's not confident he can find powerful enough forwards and thinks his only change is, as you say, insanely, run them off their feet?

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      @nostrildamus Finau seems to have plenty of power, as did Gus from the Chiefs.

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      • His BobnessH His Bobness

        @nostrildamus Finau seems to have plenty of power, as did Gus from the Chiefs.

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        @His-Bobness said in RWC squads 2023:

        @nostrildamus Finau seems to have plenty of power, as did Gus from the Chiefs.

        Yes

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        • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

          @His-Bobness said in RWC squads 2023:

          @nostrildamus Finau seems to have plenty of power, as did Gus from the Chiefs.

          Yes

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          @nostrildamus said in RWC squads 2023:

          @His-Bobness said in RWC squads 2023:

          @nostrildamus Finau seems to have plenty of power, as did Gus from the Chiefs.

          Yes

          Did, being the key word for PGS. He was a real flash in the pan, and shouldn't have made the abs when he did.

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            I get that regards Gus but Finau looked promising and most like for like for SF, given Akira seems on the outer (but also plays 8-does Finau?)

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              No replacement named, yet.

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              https://www.fijirugby.com/muntz-ruled-out-of-the-rugby-world-cup/

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                No replacement named, yet.

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                https://www.fijirugby.com/muntz-ruled-out-of-the-rugby-world-cup/

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                @Stargazer said in RWC squads 2023:

                No replacement named, yet.

                alt text

                https://www.fijirugby.com/muntz-ruled-out-of-the-rugby-world-cup/

                Poor bastard

                He was really growing into the role

                Quickly

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                  #239

                  Man some of the forward's weights are all over the place here.

                  Frizell listed as 188cm when he's 195cm according to all other sources, and Papali'i listed as only 104kg/191cm when he's 113kg/193cm on the Blues page, lol.

                  https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/teams/new-zealand

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                  • kiwi_expatK kiwi_expat

                    Man some of the forward's weights are all over the place here.

                    Frizell listed as 188cm when he's 195cm according to all other sources, and Papali'i listed as only 104kg/191cm when he's 113kg/193cm on the Blues page, lol.

                    https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/teams/new-zealand

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                    @kiwi_expat Dalton definitely doesn't look 113kg and 1.93m. If you compare him to someone similar to that like Brad Shields who's actually 2kg lighter at 111kg and 1.93m then those metrics for Dalton are definitely off. It's also suggesting he's the same height as Akira Ioane which going from quite a few pictures online he's doesn't seem to be.

                    104kg and 191cm is far more accurate IMO.

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                    • kiwi_expatK kiwi_expat

                      Man some of the forward's weights are all over the place here.

                      Frizell listed as 188cm when he's 195cm according to all other sources, and Papali'i listed as only 104kg/191cm when he's 113kg/193cm on the Blues page, lol.

                      https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/teams/new-zealand

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                      @kiwi_expat said in RWC squads 2023:

                      Man some of the forward's weights are all over the place here.

                      Frizell listed as 188cm when he's 195cm according to all other sources, and Papali'i listed as only 104kg/191cm when he's 113kg/193cm on the Blues page, lol.

                      Stats on the AB site look about right. Although they have Shannon too light

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                        @Canes4life Haha, there's no way Dalton is 104kg. Tom Christie is 105kg and he looks miniscule compared to the Blues & Chiefs loosies. Dalton also has the jacked Polynesian genetics, look at his upper body, size of his torso & shoulders, he's definitely carrying a lot up top.

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                        • kiwi_expatK kiwi_expat

                          @Canes4life Haha, there's no way Dalton is 104kg. Tom Christie is 105kg and he looks miniscule compared to the Blues & Chiefs loosies. Dalton also has the jacked Polynesian genetics, look at his upper body, size of his torso & shoulders, he's definitely carrying a lot up top.

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                          @kiwi_expat yeah he's definitely bigger than Christie, but then again Christie doesn't look 105kg either.

                          If I had to guess looking at Dalton he'd be around 110kg, 1.91m.

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                            https://twitter.com/bernardjackman/status/1702217892832378982

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                            • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                              @kiwi_expat yeah he's definitely bigger than Christie, but then again Christie doesn't look 105kg either.

                              If I had to guess looking at Dalton he'd be around 110kg, 1.91m.

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                              @Canes4life said in RWC squads 2023:

                              @kiwi_expat yeah he's definitely bigger than Christie, but then again Christie doesn't look 105kg either.

                              If I had to guess looking at Dalton he'd be around 110kg, 1.91m.

                              If only he played that big

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                                This is huge if proven to be true.

                                https://twitter.com/bernardjackman/status/1702217892832378982

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                                  This is huge if proven to be true.

                                  https://twitter.com/bernardjackman/status/1702217892832378982

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                                  @akan004 wow that is huge, he's a massive cog to the Boks machine.

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                                    Machpants
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                                    That sucks

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                                      Confirmed. Marx is out.

                                      https://www.springboks.rugby/news-features/articles/2023/09/14/marx-ruled-out-of-rugby-world-cup/

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                                          Massive blow for the Boks and for the tournament. He’s the best hooker around for me. Wish him a speedy recovery.

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