RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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Well that sucked! Forwards were raped especially our front row, except for Scotty B. Christie was shit and Beaudy needs to be dropped. Talea was all class, our props, shot they were crap. Should have sacked Fozz when we had the opportunity. And Dalton is really undersized, he was outmuscled at the breakdown.
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Why don’t we do the winning French thing and have a major off field political blow up by sacking our head coach mid tournament … and hunt down Razor to get on a plane toute suite.
What have we got to lose…@pjay said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Why don’t we do the winning French thing and have a major off field political blow up by sacking our head coach mid tournament … and hunt down Razor to get on a plane toute suite.
What have we got to lose…Coming from a country who voted Aunty Jacinda in twice...
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Well that sucked! Forwards were raped especially our front row, except for Scotty B. Christie was shit and Beaudy needs to be dropped. Talea was all class, our props, shot they were crap. Should have sacked Fozz when we had the opportunity. And Dalton is really undersized, he was outmuscled at the breakdown.
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Don't really have to much time to comment on the game as heading to the outback this afternoon, well Penrith, but same same, but this is going to be a tiring RWC with the "neutral" Oz commentary team for AB games. Think TJ and the Blues and that's the ballpark.
Couple of quick things on the game, my heart actually sank when Christie came on with nearly 20m to go, there's players I dislike for good reason (the Tongan on and off the field) but I don't even dislike Christie despite the fact he's a ginga, I just don't think he's up to it this year.
I fast forwarded the build up so didn't know Cane was out and only clicked when Dalton gave away a holding on penalty and I thought uh oh the anti-Cane brigade will be all over that.
Telea is turning into a damn good test player, he always makes metres no matter where he gets the ball.
All of our current props are good for a handling error a game and limited metres with the ball. Is Owen Franks our front row running coach?
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Not much between the teams IMHO in terms of skill, physicality, and fitness.
The two real differences were use of brain and use of hands. ABs lost a lot of ball in contact.
Also I don't think you can really have Mo'unga and Beaugan out there at the same time. Just doesn't feel like they complement each other.
A lot of smarts from France on defence. Never panicked, realigned very well, learned from their mistakes. Understood the conditions and hit hard to dislodge the pill. Also played Jaco better, which is basically spin the fucking wheel and see what happens.
Their game management was also good. Stuck at their work, played territory, kept turning over points.
It was kind of ironic they scored their last try off a bullshit bounce against a team that has deployed the bullshit bounce many times in the last decade.
@NTA said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Not much between the teams IMHO in terms of skill, physicality, and fitness.
The two real differences were use of brain and use of hands. ABs lost a lot of ball in contact.
Especially when we looked to be putting the pressure on their defence.
Just watched a bit of a replay (yes I am a sucker for punishment), and our formation with the ball was looking good until the ball for dislodged or wasn’t secured properly at the breakdown and squirted out the side or a pass is made that had a guys reaching behind (Smith was not as crisp today in that regard) and we lost momentum.
We had chances and we didn’t apply the scoreboard pressure needed.
When they had us down in their 22 we actually defended pretty well. A couple of errors and guys not holding shape, but overall pretty good. The concern was the relentless pressure of it and we couldn’t hold in the conditions.
We know what we have to do to get to the QF and that’s what I’m actually excited about to see if we any mental toughness to lift.
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@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Stag said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
What a list Fozzy has
First home loss to Ireland
First series loss to Ireland
First loss to Argentina
First home loss to Argentina
Largest ever defeat
First ever pool loss at a World CupJust to name a few…
From the dedicated thread
First to lose to Ireland in NZ.
First to lose a series to Ireland.
First 3 test series loss in professional era.
Worst halftime deficit ever.
First to lose to Argentina, and at home
Highest score against us
Biggest losing margin x2
Lowest world ranking
Worst win rate in Pro era
First ever consecutive 14 point+ losses
First loss in RWC pool play
Worst ever RWC loss
Biggest margin of defeats and highest scores conceded against Argentina, Ireland, Australia, South Africa, and France
Only ever time lost 3 consecutive home testsI hear he’s the also the first AB coach to eat Vita Brit’s and not Weetbix.
The sun will come up tomorrow….
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Stag said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
What a list Fozzy has
First home loss to Ireland
First series loss to Ireland
First loss to Argentina
First home loss to Argentina
Largest ever defeat
First ever pool loss at a World CupJust to name a few…
From the dedicated thread
First to lose to Ireland in NZ.
First to lose a series to Ireland.
First 3 test series loss in professional era.
Worst halftime deficit ever.
First to lose to Argentina, and at home
Highest score against us
Biggest losing margin x2
Lowest world ranking
Worst win rate in Pro era
First ever consecutive 14 point+ losses
First loss in RWC pool play
Worst ever RWC loss
Biggest margin of defeats and highest scores conceded against Argentina, Ireland, Australia, South Africa, and France
Only ever time lost 3 consecutive home testsI hear he’s the also the first AB coach to eat Vita Brit’s and not Weetbix.
The sun will come up tomorrow….
Nah he eats chocolate cake for brekkie
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OK, so, we're down by 20 early in the game vs Italy. Does the team say "phuck it" and go out and play their own game or stay with Fozz-ball?
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Not much between the teams IMHO in terms of skill, physicality, and fitness.
The two real differences were use of brain and use of hands. ABs lost a lot of ball in contact.
Also I don't think you can really have Mo'unga and Beaugan out there at the same time. Just doesn't feel like they complement each other.
A lot of smarts from France on defence. Never panicked, realigned very well, learned from their mistakes. Understood the conditions and hit hard to dislodge the pill. Also played Jaco better, which is basically spin the fucking wheel and see what happens.
Their game management was also good. Stuck at their work, played territory, kept turning over points.
It was kind of ironic they scored their last try off a bullshit bounce against a team that has deployed the bullshit bounce many times in the last decade.
@NTA said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Also I don't think you can really have Mo'unga and Beaugan out there at the same time. Just doesn't feel like they complement each other.
People were saying that in 2019.
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“Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn’t it?” Foster said
Except pretty much everyone on here was saying it was dumb to go into a RWC campaign with a lock and 6 down. Fair enough if BBBR and Frizzell were fit, to have that number of locks and loosies. But they aren't, so it was just common sense to adjust the squad. But Foster has zero flexibility of thought
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/dont-be-surprised-if-emoni-narawas-replacement-is-a-loose-forward/
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@Duluth the state of NZ media and NZ rugby. First two questions nothing about a record loss.
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@Snowy said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
So out of 84 votes, only 15 of us saw that coming. I can only assume that a lot of people haven’t noticed the list of Foster’s AB “achievements” or just have truly “blind” faith that what had taken over 100 years to build has fallen.
I'll admit to blind faith and an inability to actually pick against the ABs.
@booboo said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Snowy said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
So out of 84 votes, only 15 of us saw that coming. I can only assume that a lot of people haven’t noticed the list of Foster’s AB “achievements” or just have truly “blind” faith that what had taken over 100 years to build has fallen.
I'll admit to blind faith and an inability to actually pick against the ABs.
I’m the same , never have , never will, even if common sense says otherwise
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So where to now? Maybe this was the rope-a-dope. Do they spend the next three tests practicing their exit kicks, handling, ruck and kick retention?
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Haven't caught up with all of the thread, but reflecting on the game overall, both teams were very error prone in the 1st half but in the 2nd half only we were error prone. The French tightened their game right up to suit the conditions - effectively wet weather footy in that heat. We were going to win if the game stayed fairly open with the likes of Telea really finding form, so they were smart to change tactics and we didn't adjust our gameplan, so our mistakes became more and more costly as they pinned us in our own half.
Given our injuries, we definitely do have the cattle to win the thing on ability alone based on that first half. I just question whether we have the smarts to adjust our game if things don't go to plan. It seems not at this stage.
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So where to now? Maybe this was the rope-a-dope. Do they spend the next three tests practicing their exit kicks, handling, ruck and kick retention?
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
So where to now? Maybe this was the rope-a-dope. Do they spend the next three tests practicing their exit kicks, handling, ruck and kick retention?
I don't think rope a dope is the All Black way. This is Foster's blueprint, and they are going to follow it to it's conclusion, wherever that leads us
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Just thinking about 6 and Vaai
Would Vaai be the 5th ranked Chiefs 6 behind Finau, Ah Koui, PGS and Jacobson?
He's never exactly stood out in his limited time at 6.
@KiwiMurph said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Just thinking about 6 and Vaai
Would Vaai be the 5th ranked Chiefs 6 behind Finau, Ah Koui, PGS and Jacobson?
He's never exactly stood out in his limited time at 6.
Ah Koui-I don't mind him, the few times I saw him played he looked pretty tireless and committed.
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“Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn’t it?” Foster said
Except pretty much everyone on here was saying it was dumb to go into a RWC campaign with a lock and 6 down. Fair enough if BBBR and Frizzell were fit, to have that number of locks and loosies. But they aren't, so it was just common sense to adjust the squad. But Foster has zero flexibility of thought
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/dont-be-surprised-if-emoni-narawas-replacement-is-a-loose-forward/
@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
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HindsightGood coaching is a wonderful thing, isn’t it?” Foster saidThe lack of forward replacements, carrying injured players, not having decent 6s, 10s with the kicking power of Detective Ironside, not changing the gameplan, that is all on Foster.
Not like it is the first time either.
