The Current State of Rugby
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@stodders said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Smuts Police the offside line more harshly?!? Sure you want to go down that path as a South African? Hahaha. You guys have been living in opposing backlines since Jake White's time
Take it as a compliment that others have copied you. If you can't beat them, join them.
Agree on ruck penalties. Just ban hands in the ruck full stop and force teams to drive over the ball to either secure it on attack or win it back on defence. Boks are particularly good at this. See Kolisi's turnover before 2nd try at the weekend for a perfect example. It will suck in more defenders leaving more space to attack.
Pretty sure. Probably because I dont think offside lines care how fast or slowly you cross them.
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@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
a quick thought, and ive been heading towards this for a while, im thinking that some of us that are starting to question if we are falling out of love with rugby.....its because (or at least partially) because we watch so much of it on TV, with endless replays trying to find the tiniest mistake or infringement, with commentators telling us everything we might have missed and how we should feel the actions of players....i think we need to get down the sideline more than in front of a screen, have some beers, chat with randoms and just enjoy
I would say the inverse.
On the sideline you rarely have a clue what's actually going on. Talking points used to be great tries, swings in momentum, huge scrums, line breaks etc. You can see all that on the sideline and enjoy.
What you can't see much about is meaningless scrum penalties, TMO calls back to missed infringements & borderline offside calls.
It's absurd being in a massive stadium when a scrum is set, the home team gets a penalty for something pathetic (like binding etc) & the whole stadium goes up. Nobody has a clue what they just witnessed.
Rugby used to be Fiji vs Wales, where those in the stands were treated to an absolute drama filled spectacle. It's just not the case anymore.
@MajorRage said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
a quick thought, and ive been heading towards this for a while, im thinking that some of us that are starting to question if we are falling out of love with rugby.....its because (or at least partially) because we watch so much of it on TV, with endless replays trying to find the tiniest mistake or infringement, with commentators telling us everything we might have missed and how we should feel the actions of players....i think we need to get down the sideline more than in front of a screen, have some beers, chat with randoms and just enjoy
I would say the inverse.
On the sideline you rarely have a clue what's actually going on. Talking points used to be great tries, swings in momentum, huge scrums, line breaks etc. You can see all that on the sideline and enjoy.
What you can't see much about is meaningless scrum penalties, TMO calls back to missed infringements & borderline offside calls.
It's absurd being in a massive stadium when a scrum is set, the home team gets a penalty for something pathetic (like binding etc) & the whole stadium goes up. Nobody has a clue what they just witnessed.
Rugby used to be Fiji vs Wales, where those in the stands were treated to an absolute drama filled spectacle. It's just not the case anymore.
I think you've misunderstood what im saying because thats pretty much it
you can't see all the bullshit stuff....so you move on, if theres a break in play you might ask people around you if they saw anything...but if they didn't you have a chat and wait for it to kick off again....rather than watching 6-8 replays looking for a tiny knock on or listening to commentators explain, often wrongly, how a forward pass is ruled
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@MajorRage said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
a quick thought, and ive been heading towards this for a while, im thinking that some of us that are starting to question if we are falling out of love with rugby.....its because (or at least partially) because we watch so much of it on TV, with endless replays trying to find the tiniest mistake or infringement, with commentators telling us everything we might have missed and how we should feel the actions of players....i think we need to get down the sideline more than in front of a screen, have some beers, chat with randoms and just enjoy
I would say the inverse.
On the sideline you rarely have a clue what's actually going on. Talking points used to be great tries, swings in momentum, huge scrums, line breaks etc. You can see all that on the sideline and enjoy.
What you can't see much about is meaningless scrum penalties, TMO calls back to missed infringements & borderline offside calls.
It's absurd being in a massive stadium when a scrum is set, the home team gets a penalty for something pathetic (like binding etc) & the whole stadium goes up. Nobody has a clue what they just witnessed.
Rugby used to be Fiji vs Wales, where those in the stands were treated to an absolute drama filled spectacle. It's just not the case anymore.
I think you've misunderstood what im saying because thats pretty much it
you can't see all the bullshit stuff....so you move on, if theres a break in play you might ask people around you if they saw anything...but if they didn't you have a chat and wait for it to kick off again....rather than watching 6-8 replays looking for a tiny knock on or listening to commentators explain, often wrongly, how a forward pass is ruled
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@Kiwiwomble no I totally get your point, I’m just the inverse.
I watch sport to know what’s going on!
@MajorRage oh, apologies
"What you can't see much about is meaningless scrum penalties, TMO calls back to missed infringements & borderline offside calls."
you WANT to know all this stuff, have it pointed out? they way you worded it i took it like it was bad stuff
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@MajorRage oh, apologies
"What you can't see much about is meaningless scrum penalties, TMO calls back to missed infringements & borderline offside calls."
you WANT to know all this stuff, have it pointed out? they way you worded it i took it like it was bad stuff
@Kiwiwomble it's in the eye of the beholder.
I enjoy sitting in the stands watching any sport, and for those I know little about, I am completely on board with what you say.
But thats not where I am with rugby. The game is so technical now, you do need the endless replays and the referee's mic to really have a clue about what is happening on the paddock.
Rugby is getting closer and closer to F1. Watching an F1 race without a nearby screen is borderline pointless - it's just noise and cars going past really fast (which is pretty damn cool).
IT needn't be like this for rugby though.
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@Kiwiwomble it's in the eye of the beholder.
I enjoy sitting in the stands watching any sport, and for those I know little about, I am completely on board with what you say.
But thats not where I am with rugby. The game is so technical now, you do need the endless replays and the referee's mic to really have a clue about what is happening on the paddock.
Rugby is getting closer and closer to F1. Watching an F1 race without a nearby screen is borderline pointless - it's just noise and cars going past really fast (which is pretty damn cool).
IT needn't be like this for rugby though.
@MajorRage fair play....i find that stuff to be what ruining rugby (or my enjoyment of it anyway), the overcomplication of everything...ignorance is bliss
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could probably go in here
Well, here is a raw statistic for you: teams of about the same ability, that kick the ball more than their opponents, win around 75% of their games.
Forget about how a team kicks, whether it is for territory or to turn defences or put pressure on from line-outs. When you boil it all down, if you kick more times in a game, you tend to win more than you lose.
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a quick thought, and ive been heading towards this for a while, im thinking that some of us that are starting to question if we are falling out of love with rugby.....its because (or at least partially) because we watch so much of it on TV, with endless replays trying to find the tiniest mistake or infringement, with commentators telling us everything we might have missed and how we should feel the actions of players....i think we need to get down the sideline more than in front of a screen, have some beers, chat with randoms and just enjoy
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
a quick thought, and ive been heading towards this for a while, im thinking that some of us that are starting to question if we are falling out of love with rugby.....its because (or at least partially) because we watch so much of it on TV, with endless replays trying to find the tiniest mistake or infringement, with commentators telling us everything we might have missed and how we should feel the actions of players....i think we need to get down the sideline more than in front of a screen, have some beers, chat with randoms and just enjoy
Agree wholeheartedly with this post , and the ones going along with it. Pro rugby has changed the game, and coaching now seems to be not losing rather than winning ie the phrase defence wins matches is unfortunatley too true! I am another who loves times spent on sidelines of club matches enjoying the game while mixing with likeminded people. Other thing is I a rugby fanatic and nerd and spend a lot of time on forums and let's be honest where an incredible amount of negative stuff is written. It never ceases to amaze me how people will remember and repeat 1-2 mistakes they see someone they not keen on, but will forget the the the say 30 good things they do? I think it kind of sums up that I enjoyed the Naki/Mako game on Sunday probably more than all the WC games, I was there, the rugby was played more positively, and although my team lost, it was rugby that I grew uo playing and loving regardless how laws etc make game a bit different. I actually wonder if test rugby is same sport at times.
You know I am pleased to know that although I am a dinosaur, there seem to be a few on this forum who seem to feel somewhar the same!
And don't even start me what Pro rugby has done to kids rugby!
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I think a heap of issues are related to the TMO. Something good happens. Wait, let's stop the game and check every little angle in super slow mo and see if maybe something wasn't right
No way the ref should have overturned that last French try, but he talked himself in to it.
It's almost as if the attitude is "something good can only come because some did something wrong"
Adds fucking nothing. Fuck it off
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I think a heap of issues are related to the TMO. Something good happens. Wait, let's stop the game and check every little angle in super slow mo and see if maybe something wasn't right
No way the ref should have overturned that last French try, but he talked himself in to it.
It's almost as if the attitude is "something good can only come because some did something wrong"
Adds fucking nothing. Fuck it off
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
I think a heap of issues are related to the TMO. Something good happens. Wait, let's stop the game and check every little angle in super slow mo and see if maybe something wasn't right
No way the ref should have overturned that last French try, but he talked himself in to it.
It's almost as if the attitude is "something good can only come because some did something wrong"
Adds fucking nothing. Fuck it off
Ive always been of the opinion replays of foul play (not tries) should be in full speed only.
That's the speed that both parties entered the contact in and the speed in which they both had to make the decision.
Having super slow mo investigations of what happened is just Monday morning quarterbacking.
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@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
I think a heap of issues are related to the TMO. Something good happens. Wait, let's stop the game and check every little angle in super slow mo and see if maybe something wasn't right
No way the ref should have overturned that last French try, but he talked himself in to it.
It's almost as if the attitude is "something good can only come because some did something wrong"
Adds fucking nothing. Fuck it off
Ive always been of the opinion replays of foul play (not tries) should be in full speed only.
That's the speed that both parties entered the contact in and the speed in which they both had to make the decision.
Having super slow mo investigations of what happened is just Monday morning quarterbacking.
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
Ive always been of the opinion replays of foul play (not tries) should be in full speed only.
Agreed - and limited time to make a decision. Full speed, maximum 3 replays. You get 30 seconds.
If we're putting a shot clock on players for kicks and scrums (the latter of which is being completely ignored I might add), then the officials should get it as well.
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@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
Ive always been of the opinion replays of foul play (not tries) should be in full speed only.
Agreed - and limited time to make a decision. Full speed, maximum 3 replays. You get 30 seconds.
If we're putting a shot clock on players for kicks and scrums (the latter of which is being completely ignored I might add), then the officials should get it as well.
@NTA said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
Ive always been of the opinion replays of foul play (not tries) should be in full speed only.
Agreed - and limited time to make a decision. Full speed, maximum 3 replays. You get 30 seconds.
If we're putting a shot clock on players for kicks and scrums (the latter of which is being completely ignored I might add), then the officials should get it as well.
And if they make an error because they don't spot something within the time frame? Are people going to sit back and cut then some slack? I know we still get errors now but surely that would lead to more fuck ups and the 'we' are not mature enough to handle that.
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@NTA said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
Ive always been of the opinion replays of foul play (not tries) should be in full speed only.
Agreed - and limited time to make a decision. Full speed, maximum 3 replays. You get 30 seconds.
If we're putting a shot clock on players for kicks and scrums (the latter of which is being completely ignored I might add), then the officials should get it as well.
And if they make an error because they don't spot something within the time frame? Are people going to sit back and cut then some slack? I know we still get errors now but surely that would lead to more fuck ups and the 'we' are not mature enough to handle that.
@Crazy-Horse they dont get any slack cut, this is the age of Social Media and keyboard warriors....they get abused and threatened.
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i think WR/NZR etc should be investing in some good marketing to try and teach people to chill out and accept there will be mistakes but the law of averages says they'll go both ways over time, sure there will always be those that try and make a big deal about reffing stuff ups....but if the majority of people pay them no more attention than a bit of side eye...and just move on
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i think WR/NZR etc should be investing in some good marketing to try and teach people to chill out and accept there will be mistakes but the law of averages says they'll go both ways over time, sure there will always be those that try and make a big deal about reffing stuff ups....but if the majority of people pay them no more attention than a bit of side eye...and just move on
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
i think WR/NZR etc should be investing in some good marketing to try and teach people to chill out and accept there will be mistakes but the law of averages says they'll go both ways over time, sure there will always be those that try and make a big deal about reffing stuff ups....but if the majority of people pay them no more attention than a bit of side eye...and just move on
lol yeah do you know many ABs fans?
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@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
i think WR/NZR etc should be investing in some good marketing to try and teach people to chill out and accept there will be mistakes but the law of averages says they'll go both ways over time, sure there will always be those that try and make a big deal about reffing stuff ups....but if the majority of people pay them no more attention than a bit of side eye...and just move on
lol yeah do you know many ABs fans?
@NTA seriously though, its one thing to come on here, have a vent, mark up some screen shots with red arrows.....its the abuse they cop directly thats bad, all the shit stirring in the media that make WR/NZR keep changing shit to try and appease people
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@NTA seriously though, its one thing to come on here, have a vent, mark up some screen shots with red arrows.....its the abuse they cop directly thats bad, all the shit stirring in the media that make WR/NZR keep changing shit to try and appease people
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA seriously though, its one thing to come on here, have a vent, mark up some screen shots with red arrows.....its the abuse they cop directly that's bad, all the shit stirring in the media that make WR/NZR keep changing shit to try and appease people
People make a thousand different videos/screenshots of views with how things "should have been" because the myriad of laws allow for too much interpretation and its now so complex the refs have to take more time to work though their own process. Who made the rules that way? WR
I can't blame a scribe or punter for venting either, they sell their opinion that way.
If WR really want to help the refs and the viewing public they do need to change the rules further and rather than just the "lets just add on sub section 903 approach", in my opinion they need to remove half of them and modify what's left to be clear. Simplify the message.
Yes, you will still have human errors, but you will by default make it easier for decisions to be correct and allow a faster decision making process to be reached.
its a mess, as is the current spectacle
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@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA seriously though, its one thing to come on here, have a vent, mark up some screen shots with red arrows.....its the abuse they cop directly that's bad, all the shit stirring in the media that make WR/NZR keep changing shit to try and appease people
People make a thousand different videos/screenshots of views with how things "should have been" because the myriad of laws allow for too much interpretation and its now so complex the refs have to take more time to work though their own process. Who made the rules that way? WR
I can't blame a scribe or punter for venting either, they sell their opinion that way.
If WR really want to help the refs and the viewing public they do need to change the rules further and rather than just the "lets just add on sub section 903 approach", in my opinion they need to remove half of them and modify what's left to be clear. Simplify the message.
Yes, you will still have human errors, but you will by default make it easier for decisions to be correct and allow a faster decision making process to be reached.
its a mess, as is the current spectacle
@bayimports agreed, i realised the thread has moved on a lot from the last time i mentioned the rules need to be sorted so my last comment comes across like there is nothing wrong, i would go back to first principles, 15 on each team, no passing forward, scrum and linesouts are things....whats next?
i just think a lot of us could also do ourselves a favour by chilling out a little
