Rugby World Cup general discussion
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@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
territory is everything at this world cup. The best teams are doing nothing in their half. And they are waiting on errors made by the team that is playing in their half. The SA v Ireland game was played between the 40s almost. France kicked us to death. England are kicking the ball constantly.
Kick very high or very long, don't play phases until you get past half way, turnover ball gets put in behind. Then squeeze on defence.
Our issue will be we don't kick well, and we can't get at the opposition set piece, so we lose the territory game.
This 100% and exactly how the Chiefs played this year only to fail at the end. If Foster cannot see the meta every other top coach can then he really is a muppet.
Penalties for holding on has almost become a strategy and viable option and where NZ really struggles. IRE and SA are two of the best at this and even they could not protect the ball carrier on every carry, if you get pinged in your 50 for holding on and its 3 points or 5 meter lineout. That is what makes spreading it wide in your 50 so dangerous, Telea got caught a number of times and others too.
I would argue exiting is getting as important as set piece, the inability to exit your half just lead to pressure and points. Of all the teams at the WC you will notice they will almost always have someone who can exit to halfway. For us Jordie, Dmac, Roigard are arguably the best, Stevenson of course at home could also play this roll. Having Telea, CC and BB means we simply don't have anyone back there that will win a kicking territory contest.
I think the AB's rate players on attacking ability far too much, whereas NH sides seem to build their teams around defence, exits etc.
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@chimoaus v France BB put in some good touch finders or long kicks, but also some dinky little ones deep in our half :man_facepalming_light_skin_tone:
@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@chimoaus v France BB put in some good touch finders or long kicks, but also some dinky little ones deep in our half :man_facepalming_light_skin_tone:
The kicking game in the first half I thought was the best we've done all year.
It seemed once all was lost in the final 20 that we reverted to the norm.
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@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@chimoaus v France BB put in some good touch finders or long kicks, but also some dinky little ones deep in our half :man_facepalming_light_skin_tone:
The kicking game in the first half I thought was the best we've done all year.
It seemed once all was lost in the final 20 that we reverted to the norm.
@antipodean the subs and the card were the catalyst IMO
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@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@chimoaus v France BB put in some good touch finders or long kicks, but also some dinky little ones deep in our half :man_facepalming_light_skin_tone:
The kicking game in the first half I thought was the best we've done all year.
It seemed once all was lost in the final 20 that we reverted to the norm.
@antipodean said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@chimoaus v France BB put in some good touch finders or long kicks, but also some dinky little ones deep in our half :man_facepalming_light_skin_tone:
The kicking game in the first half I thought was the best we've done all year.
It seemed once all was lost in the final 20 that we reverted to the norm.
it was the aimless ones once we got in their half late in the game that killed me. We were down, and we just kept giving them the ball back, and not in a good way.
They ran out of ideas
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Fiji with less than ten penalties last four games, abs should've got Glenn on board
Have we ever done less than ten in the last four years?
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DuPont on his return
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so Deysel got 6 weeks down to 5...doesnt seem any different to many of the others that got less.
Is the end result here a factor?
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@canefan am sure they have some top medical people on it, but agree from my layman position, seems very risky.
@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@canefan am sure they have some top medical people on it, but agree from my layman position, seems very risky.
I heard some talk of a mask. That may be fine in basketball, but rugby is far more physically confronting. Mask or not, one big shot to the face and he's in big trouble
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shit like this just rams home how the "focus on player safety" is purely theatre
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sounds like an interesting tactic, I pity the fool that gets carded for an accidental brush/knock
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@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@canefan am sure they have some top medical people on it, but agree from my layman position, seems very risky.
I heard some talk of a mask. That may be fine in basketball, but rugby is far more physically confronting. Mask or not, one big shot to the face and he's in big trouble
@canefan said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@canefan am sure they have some top medical people on it, but agree from my layman position, seems very risky.
I heard some talk of a mask. That may be fine in basketball, but rugby is far more physically confronting. Mask or not, one big shot to the face and he's in big trouble
I also can't be solid, like some games have, needs to be thinner than 5mm uncompressed. SO basically pointless, I guess they might apply for an exemption with WR for something more substantial - I can't see WR saying no to that, the biggest player in the tournament
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A protective mask worn by players with a broken nose etc is hardly something new.
The first photo is of Biarritz No8 Imanol Harinordoquy, who played with a broken nose wearing this improvised mask in 2010 (against Munster in the Heineken Cup semi-finals).
The second photo is of Guido Petti, who wore a mask in the test match between Argentina and Wales in 2021.
The quality and design of masks will have improved over the years, but wearing one in a rugby match isn't new.
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sounds like an interesting tactic, I pity the fool that gets carded for an accidental brush/knock
@bayimports yep, because after all, NH teams think people will target this and sacrifice a player to take him out
:jokingnotjoking
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You would have to target him if he plays , not to the head but hard physical contact within the laws .
Why make it easy ?
Boks won’t need reminding
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@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@canefan am sure they have some top medical people on it, but agree from my layman position, seems very risky.
I heard some talk of a mask. That may be fine in basketball, but rugby is far more physically confronting. Mask or not, one big shot to the face and he's in big trouble
@canefan said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@canefan am sure they have some top medical people on it, but agree from my layman position, seems very risky.
I heard some talk of a mask. That may be fine in basketball, but rugby is far more physically confronting. Mask or not, one big shot to the face and he's in big trouble
Very Phantom of the Opera...
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What are they calling an exit success?
