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RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy

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  • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

    @KiwiMurph solid 23, I’d prefer Blackadder over Papali’i’ though.

    Papali’i must be counting his lucky stars. He completely lacks any impact at this level.

    Good to see Christie has been given the boot, and good to see McKenzie on the bench.

    @george33 you were way off the money once again.

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    @Canes4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    @KiwiMurph solid 23, I’d prefer Blackadder over Papali’i’ though.

    Papali’i must be counting his lucky stars. He completely lacks any impact at this level.

    Good to see Christie has been given the boot, and good to see McKenzie on the bench.

    @george33 you were way off the money once again.

    I am like you Canes, and think Papali'i is a bit fortunate, I understand bringing Cane off bench with only partial training load, but I also would pick Blackadder ahead of him!
    I would add I not even sure I would have him at 7 for Blues if I was naming their team.

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    • D Darren

      Its about the best we can put out, I'd have LF over ALB on the bench, but thats minor.
      Pleased to see both Roigard and Mckenzie both there.

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      @Darren said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

      Its about the best we can put out, I'd have LF over ALB on the bench, but thats minor.
      Pleased to see both Roigard and Mckenzie both there.

      My only change would maybe Havili over ALB, just because he (I think) fits in with RMo more.

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      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

        @Canes4life I wouldn't be so sure - for some reason Foz loves Clarke

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        @KiwiMurph said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

        @Canes4life I wouldn't be so sure - for some reason Foz loves Clarke

        And he also love a persistent liability in an out of form BB

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          I'd say this b close to our quarter final 23
          Only De Groot for Williams and maybe Sami can squeeze in there over Coles barring injury of course

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            50 min mark bring on DMac and Roigard, double happy squad.
            (Do they still sell them Nov 5?)

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              The biggest test will be discipline and defence over the full 80.

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                for the most part, not alot to disagree with in that, just need some boys to fire!

                On Samisoni, I personally feel that he is just one of those players that needs to be playing rugby, getting small minutes off the bench isn't conducive to getting the best out of him, but by the same token, what do you do if his form in those limited minutes isn't upto expectation.

                What I'd like to see is discipline and a consistent kicking (and chasing) effort, these are key to the ABs progressing, the rest will fall into place if they get those things right.

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                  • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                    for the most part, not alot to disagree with in that, just need some boys to fire!

                    On Samisoni, I personally feel that he is just one of those players that needs to be playing rugby, getting small minutes off the bench isn't conducive to getting the best out of him, but by the same token, what do you do if his form in those limited minutes isn't upto expectation.

                    What I'd like to see is discipline and a consistent kicking (and chasing) effort, these are key to the ABs progressing, the rest will fall into place if they get those things right.

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                    @taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                    for the most part, not alot to disagree with in that, just need some boys to fire!

                    On Samisoni, I personally feel that he is just one of those players that needs to be playing rugby, getting small minutes off the bench isn't conducive to getting the best out of him, but by the same token, what do you do if his form in those limited minutes isn't upto expectation.

                    What I'd like to see is discipline and a consistent kicking (and chasing) effort, these are key to the ABs progressing, the rest will fall into place if they get those things right.

                    Yeah I get the impression he gets better the more he plays ,

                    I remember sione lauaki was like that , would be in a purple patch of form with the chiefs , get selected in the ab squad , but not get selected to play .

                    When he finally got picked to play it was like all his Motor parts had seized up from lack of activity.

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                      I am blaming Foster and Ryan too. To get the best out of Taukei’aho, and use his strengths, he should be starting, but they won't do it.

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                        BB at 15 gives me the shits now..., I feel he gets in at 1st receiver way too much and predictively opts for a low percentage play, which 8/10 times gives possession and territory away and puts us under further pressure.....which is usually followed by a card..

                        let Mounga drive the game,

                        I'd also be giving Blackadder a run...fail to see the appeal of Paps....he really needs a blinder IMO.. that said we're still unbalanced in the loose as our #8 (while a great player in his own right) is really a 7
                        Challenging possession regularly for a starter would be a good improvement for our loosies

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                        • BovidaeB Bovidae

                          I am blaming Foster and Ryan too. To get the best out of Taukei’aho, and use his strengths, he should be starting, but they won't do it.

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                          @Bovidae He was playing really well for the ABs and then wasn't selected. This ultra conservative selection policy favouring the incumbents has been a theme for a long time.

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                          • BovidaeB Bovidae

                            I am blaming Foster and Ryan too. To get the best out of Taukei’aho, and use his strengths, he should be starting, but they won't do it.

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                            @Bovidae yeah I said a few weeks ago I thought they had 'played' him out of form, such a shame as his (in form) style is certainly what we need v the likes of Ireland and SA.

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                              @ARHS said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                              Papalii starting - you must be kidding

                              Why? Who would you have?

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                              @nostrildamus Cane and if he is not 100% fit then Blackadder.

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                                The mismanagement of ST is a black mark on teh coaching group. Leading up to the trot around against Namibia he has played the equivalent of two games since the Super Rugby final. Two fucking games

                                Taylor is just so very ordinary. ST should be a point of difference in our pack, instead he's left to wither on the vine as an inferior player racks up minute after average minute.

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                                • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                  The mismanagement of ST is a black mark on teh coaching group. Leading up to the trot around against Namibia he has played the equivalent of two games since the Super Rugby final. Two fucking games

                                  Taylor is just so very ordinary. ST should be a point of difference in our pack, instead he's left to wither on the vine as an inferior player racks up minute after average minute.

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                                  @mariner4life More proof we shouldn't have a fat Cantabrian masquerading as a forwards coach.

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                                    I don't get the logic of these coaches. They talk about the need to increase our physicality and then they pick lightweights like Vaa'i, Havili and ALB in the 33.

                                    ST is a guy who we can't afford not to pick as he's one of those players who brings the go forward and physicality that this team desperately needs. Pick him ffs and play him back into form. Same with Leicester, he can act as another forward and can make good metres on the edges of the ruck. With a forward pack that doesn't have the punch needed, he is a must imo.

                                    Ryan's coaching has been very disappointing over the last few test matches, he needs to step up.

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                                    • Dan54D Dan54

                                      @Canes4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                      @KiwiMurph solid 23, I’d prefer Blackadder over Papali’i’ though.

                                      Papali’i must be counting his lucky stars. He completely lacks any impact at this level.

                                      Good to see Christie has been given the boot, and good to see McKenzie on the bench.

                                      @george33 you were way off the money once again.

                                      I am like you Canes, and think Papali'i is a bit fortunate, I understand bringing Cane off bench with only partial training load, but I also would pick Blackadder ahead of him!
                                      I would add I not even sure I would have him at 7 for Blues if I was naming their team.

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                                      @Dan54 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                      @Canes4life said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                      @KiwiMurph solid 23, I’d prefer Blackadder over Papali’i’ though.

                                      Papali’i must be counting his lucky stars. He completely lacks any impact at this level.

                                      Good to see Christie has been given the boot, and good to see McKenzie on the bench.

                                      @george33 you were way off the money once again.

                                      I am like you Canes, and think Papali'i is a bit fortunate, I understand bringing Cane off bench with only partial training load, but I also would pick Blackadder ahead of him!
                                      I would add I not even sure I would have him at 7 for Blues if I was naming their team.

                                      Has anyone checked on @Tim ?

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                                        KiwiMurph
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                                        ST hasn't been in the same form this year as last year but frankly the AB coaches should have more faith in him than they do - for example Codie Taylor seems to have a lot more leeway than other players.

                                        That's not just hookers though - the likes of Papalii and Beauden seem to nearly always be picked regardless of performance.

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                                          i know coaches will always have their favs but i feel fozzie has been by far the most blatant....several cant be dropped and others dont get a decent shot, Savea proves (and no one would argue hes coasting) players can play more than a couple of games in a row, one or two games without scoring a hattrick...dropped....several average or even poor games....fingers crossed you'll come right in the next one without anything to suggest that will happen

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