RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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Really nice to see some impact from the bench:
Roigard with 56 metres, 2 clean breaks and 2 defenders beaten, 2 try assists
Dmac with 75 metres, 3 clean breaks, 4 defenders beaten, 2 offloads, 1 try
Even ALB had 28 metres, 1 offload and a trySome issues for attention beyond the kicking game, we tackled at 87% with some players having a bad night on the other side of the ball:
Ioane 4 missed tackles (12 made) with 2 turnovers
Beauden Barrett 2 missed tackles (1 made) with 1 turnover
Cane 2 missed tackles (2 made) with 1 turnover -
Ireland are still a better rugby team than us.
BUT.
Ireland at their best will never ever beat iItaly like that. Never ever.
We aren’t out of this cup. Not by a long shot.
@MajorRage said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Ireland are still a better rugby team than us.
BUT.
Ireland at their best will never ever beat iItaly like that. Never ever.
We aren’t out of this cup. Not by a long shot.
I think M4L is right in that we are the best downhillers in the world, once we are on top like that, watch out.
The key for me is getting enough territory early to get some points on the board and create scoreboard pressure on Ireland. We can score points quickly so we need a first 20 like we had against SA.
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Haven't read the thread. And am 10 standard drinks down by midday, after watching the match on Stuff's free delayed stream, from a shitty motel room in shitty Palmerston North. LIving the life.
But... the one thing I took out of that game was... fuck we're good if the opposition plays exactly like we'd like them to. No slowing down of the game, no bullshit semi-injuries, etc, etc.
We will cruise to another Wiremu on the sleeve if Ireland, SeffAfrica, France, etc - just choose to do the same. Except........... -
I could tell we weren't playing South Africa because the game wasn't stopping every 5 minutes for a 130kg prop to get "medical attention".
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Haven't read the thread. And am 10 standard drinks down by midday, after watching the match on Stuff's free delayed stream, from a shitty motel room in shitty Palmerston North. LIving the life.
But... the one thing I took out of that game was... fuck we're good if the opposition plays exactly like we'd like them to. No slowing down of the game, no bullshit semi-injuries, etc, etc.
We will cruise to another Wiremu on the sleeve if Ireland, SeffAfrica, France, etc - just choose to do the same. Except...........@Kruse said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Haven't read the thread. And am 10 standard drinks down by midday, after watching the match on Stuff's free delayed stream, from a shitty motel room in shitty Palmerston North. LIving the life.
But... the one thing I took out of that game was... fuck we're good if the opposition plays exactly like we'd like them to. No slowing down of the game, no bullshit semi-injuries, etc, etc.
We will cruise to another Wiremu on the sleeve if Ireland, SeffAfrica, France, etc - just choose to do the same. Except...........Stuff have a free delayed stream?
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@Kruse said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Haven't read the thread. And am 10 standard drinks down by midday, after watching the match on Stuff's free delayed stream, from a shitty motel room in shitty Palmerston North. LIving the life.
But... the one thing I took out of that game was... fuck we're good if the opposition plays exactly like we'd like them to. No slowing down of the game, no bullshit semi-injuries, etc, etc.
We will cruise to another Wiremu on the sleeve if Ireland, SeffAfrica, France, etc - just choose to do the same. Except...........Stuff have a free delayed stream?
@canefan Yeah bro:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300960141/rugby-world-cup-2023-watch-the-all-blacks-and-other-big-games-live-and-delayed-on-stuffLive Rugby World Cup matches on Stuff:
- All Blacks v France, Saturday, September 9, 5.45am (includes Māori commentary option)
- Quarterfinal 2, Sunday, October 15, 7.30am
- Quarterfinal 4, Monday, October 16, 7am
- Semifinal 2, Sunday, October 22, 7am
- Bronze playoff, Saturday, October 28, 7.30am
- RWC final, Sunday, October 29, 7am
Delayed Rugby World Cup matches on Stuff
- All Blacks v Namibia, Saturday, September 16, 8.30am
- All Blacks v Italy, Saturday, September 30, 9.30am
- All Blacks v Uruguay, Friday, October 6, 9.30am
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I'm out of the country right now, so only got to see short highlights of the game. Nice to see Roigard and DMac in the bench, who knows what Fozz is thinking, but that has to be the bench moving forward
@canefan said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I'm out of the country right now, so only got to see short highlights of the game. Nice to see Roigard and DMac in the bench, who knows what Fozz is thinking, but that has to be the bench moving forward
Me too (out of the country) - but, job done and our destiny is in our own hands again.
I know what Fozzie is thinking. He's a very consistent selector.
Barring injuries, de Groot for Williams will be the only change to this 23 for the QF.
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Haven't read the thread. And am 10 standard drinks down by midday, after watching the match on Stuff's free delayed stream, from a shitty motel room in shitty Palmerston North. LIving the life.
But... the one thing I took out of that game was... fuck we're good if the opposition plays exactly like we'd like them to. No slowing down of the game, no bullshit semi-injuries, etc, etc.
We will cruise to another Wiremu on the sleeve if Ireland, SeffAfrica, France, etc - just choose to do the same. Except...........@Kruse said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Haven't read the thread. And am 10 standard drinks down by midday, after watching the match on Stuff's free delayed stream, from a shitty motel room in shitty Palmerston North. LIving the life.
But... the one thing I took out of that game was... fuck we're good if the opposition plays exactly like we'd like them to. No slowing down of the game, no bullshit semi-injuries, etc, etc.
We will cruise to another Wiremu on the sleeve if Ireland, SeffAfrica, France, etc - just choose to do the same. Except...........Condolences.
At least the weather should be good up there
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@MajorRage said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Ireland are still a better rugby team than us.
BUT.
Ireland at their best will never ever beat iItaly like that. Never ever.
We aren’t out of this cup. Not by a long shot.
I think M4L is right in that we are the best downhillers in the world, once we are on top like that, watch out.
The key for me is getting enough territory early to get some points on the board and create scoreboard pressure on Ireland. We can score points quickly so we need a first 20 like we had against SA.
@gt12 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
getting enough territory
This is hugely important the way we seem to want to play, yet sometimes you wonder if players get this?
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Operation ¼ final now. Not sure how to prepare for Uruguay in a dead rubber.
Not a dead rubber, if Italy beat France
@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Operation ¼ final now. Not sure how to prepare for Uruguay in a dead rubber.
Not a dead rubber, if Italy beat France
I think we are into the 1/4 regardless of that result if we get 5 points from Uruguay and keep a big points differential.
If Italy beat France with a bonus point and keep France to a single BP the Table will be
NZ 15 Points (Qualify 1st because we beat Italy)
Italy 15 Points
France 14 PointsIf Italy beat France with a BP and France get 2 BP the table will be
NZ 15 Points
Italy 15 Points
France 15 PointsIn this scenario I assume its points differential and NZ will have the best PD if France lose to Italy so NZ go through Q1, then I think Italy go through as they beat France.
The other options would be If Italy beat France without a bonus point and France get 1 BP Italy go through. If Italy beat France without a bonus point but France get 2 BP then France Q1 and go through.
So it appears to me that as long as we get 5 points vs Uruguay we go through.
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Operation ¼ final now. Not sure how to prepare for Uruguay in a dead rubber.
Not a dead rubber, if Italy beat France
I think we are into the 1/4 regardless of that result if we get 5 points from Uruguay and keep a big points differential.
If Italy beat France with a bonus point and keep France to a single BP the Table will be
NZ 15 Points (Qualify 1st because we beat Italy)
Italy 15 Points
France 14 PointsIf Italy beat France with a BP and France get 2 BP the table will be
NZ 15 Points
Italy 15 Points
France 15 PointsIn this scenario I assume its points differential and NZ will have the best PD if France lose to Italy so NZ go through Q1, then I think Italy go through as they beat France.
The other options would be If Italy beat France without a bonus point and France get 1 BP Italy go through. If Italy beat France without a bonus point but France get 2 BP then France Q1 and go through.
So it appears to me that as long as we get 5 points vs Uruguay we go through.
@chimoaus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Operation ¼ final now. Not sure how to prepare for Uruguay in a dead rubber.
Not a dead rubber, if Italy beat France
I think we are into the 1/4 regardless of that result if we get 5 points from Uruguay and keep a big points differential.
If Italy beat France with a bonus point and keep France to a single BP the Table will be
NZ 15 Points (Qualify 1st because we beat Italy)
Italy 15 Points
France 14 PointsIf Italy beat France with a BP and France get 2 BP the table will be
NZ 15 Points
Italy 15 Points
France 15 PointsIn this scenario I assume its points differential and NZ will have the best PD if France lose to Italy so NZ go through Q1, then I think Italy go through as they beat France.
The other options would be If Italy beat France without a bonus point and France get 1 BP Italy go through. If Italy beat France without a bonus point but France get 2 BP then France Q1 and go through.
So it appears to me that as long as we get 5 points vs Uruguay we go through.
Yeah. No BP opens up the unthinkable: Italy win with 2x BPs, France get 2x BPs, leaves us on 14, both them on 15.
And yes you're right if we're all on 15: France would miss out.
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@chimoaus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Operation ¼ final now. Not sure how to prepare for Uruguay in a dead rubber.
Not a dead rubber, if Italy beat France
I think we are into the 1/4 regardless of that result if we get 5 points from Uruguay and keep a big points differential.
If Italy beat France with a bonus point and keep France to a single BP the Table will be
NZ 15 Points (Qualify 1st because we beat Italy)
Italy 15 Points
France 14 PointsIf Italy beat France with a BP and France get 2 BP the table will be
NZ 15 Points
Italy 15 Points
France 15 PointsIn this scenario I assume its points differential and NZ will have the best PD if France lose to Italy so NZ go through Q1, then I think Italy go through as they beat France.
The other options would be If Italy beat France without a bonus point and France get 1 BP Italy go through. If Italy beat France without a bonus point but France get 2 BP then France Q1 and go through.
So it appears to me that as long as we get 5 points vs Uruguay we go through.
Yeah. No BP opens up the unthinkable: Italy win with 2x BPs, France get 2x BPs, leaves us on 14, both them on 15.
And yes you're right if we're all on 15: France would miss out.
@booboo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Yeah. No BP opens up the unthinkable: Italy win with 2x BPs, France get 2x BPs, leaves us on 14, both them on 15.
Or even Italy win with 2x BP, France lose with 1x BP. We have same points (14) as France ... which would be bad.
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My take.
They didn't run shite ball,didn't crab across, straightened, good stuff.
Paps is the best 7
Covet territory even more
This is a riveting WC -
@booboo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Yeah. No BP opens up the unthinkable: Italy win with 2x BPs, France get 2x BPs, leaves us on 14, both them on 15.
Or even Italy win with 2x BP, France lose with 1x BP. We have same points (14) as France ... which would be bad.
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This pre-match speech to pump up his team by Italy's skipper did not age well -
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/16v6oq6/guys_the_time_has_come/
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Operation ¼ final now. Not sure how to prepare for Uruguay in a dead rubber.
Not a dead rubber, if Italy beat France
I think we are into the 1/4 regardless of that result if we get 5 points from Uruguay and keep a big points differential.
If Italy beat France with a bonus point and keep France to a single BP the Table will be
NZ 15 Points (Qualify 1st because we beat Italy)
Italy 15 Points
France 14 PointsIf Italy beat France with a BP and France get 2 BP the table will be
NZ 15 Points
Italy 15 Points
France 15 PointsIn this scenario I assume its points differential and NZ will have the best PD if France lose to Italy so NZ go through Q1, then I think Italy go through as they beat France.
The other options would be If Italy beat France without a bonus point and France get 1 BP Italy go through. If Italy beat France without a bonus point but France get 2 BP then France Q1 and go through.
So it appears to me that as long as we get 5 points vs Uruguay we go through.
@chimoaus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
So it appears to me that as long as we get 5 points vs Uruguay we go through.
We're safe as houses, now.
Unless our final match gets cancelled due to a hurricane or something.
But, that could never happen...
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@booboo can't see Italy getting up to beat France after that though, would be one of the biggest turnarounds in history if.they did.
@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@booboo can't see Italy getting up to beat France after that though, would be one of the biggest turnarounds in history if.they did.
And us not getting 4 tries vs a minnow.
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Snowy you missed a great game!
@stodders said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Machpants from Carley
I ended up seeing it. Had to go to work because there we had gusts of wind over 2 knots at home, so the power was off. Game was on at work so I watched it.
Yep, entertaining in a Harlem globetrotters sort of way.
Don't think it was a great game from Carley, he just decided to pick on Italy this time. He gets fixated on looking for penalties and if one side is on the receiving end of that, the match is over as a contest.
That is not taking anything away from a good AB performance, we made very few errors, and our set piece worked well, so with Carley leaving us alone for most of the match (a string of 5 penalties at one stage when he had that tunnel vision on us) we racked up the points.
Another positive was no cards for either side, but I'm not confident that will continue, or that TMOs won't be trying to find fault in every try scored, or tackle made, in the future.
Actually that is another positive - well done to the TMO, didn't notice that there was one.
