Steve Tew: New Zealand ready for a gay All Black
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<p>You do realise that Allardice didn't abuse anyone? It was a joke between friends. I don't know about you but just about every New Zealand male has jokes among their friends which would be unacceptable in other contexts. People call each other fluffybunnys all the time. I don't like that word and, if people use it to me, it won't be taken as friendly. If two other people want to use it as a term of endearment to each other then who cares? Use of faggot, fluffybunny and racial slurs are all acceptable if the person called those names is okay with it.</p>
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<p>If it had happened in a strictly private context, I would agree with you, but I think the main issue here is that Allardice said what he said in public and was clearly heard by people not belonging to the group. These people had every right to feel offended, even if he didn't mean to abuse them. </p> -
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If it had happened in a strictly private context, I would agree with you, but I think the main issue here is that Allardice said what he said in public and was clearly heard by people not belonging to the group. These people had every right to feel offended.</p></blockquote>
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So if you ever jokingly called a friend of yours gay or any other name (such as spastic, retard, idiot, baldy, bogan) it has been strickly in private in case you offend somebody? -
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<p>So if you ever jokingly called a friend of yours gay or any other name (such as spastic, retard, idiot, baldy, bogan) it has been strickly in private in case you offend somebody?</p>
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<p>I agree.</p>
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<p>Have you seen some of the words females call female friends? Usually in public places. </p>
<p>This is just the easily offended brigade being easily offended.</p> -
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<p>So if you ever jokingly called a friend of yours gay or any other name (such as spastic, retard, idiot, baldy, bogan) it has been strickly in private in case you offend somebody?</p>
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<p>I do not call my friends names that are generally considered discriminatory, and if I use non-discriminatory names that may be considered offensive by people outside my group, then usually nobody will care what I say because I'm not a professional rugby player/sportsman, who is considered a role model by some parts of society. I think higher standards apply (in a public context) to public figures who people look up to.</p> -
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<p>You do realise that Allardice didn't abuse anyone? It was a joke between friends. I don't know about you but just about every New Zealand male has jokes among their friends which would be unacceptable in other contexts. People call each other fluffybunnies all the time. I don't like that word and, if people use it to me, it won't be taken as friendly. If two other people want to use it as a term of endearment to each other then who cares? Use of faggot, fluffybunny and racial slurs are all acceptable if the person called those names is okay with it.</p>
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<p>good fluffybunny</p>
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<p>If it had happened in a strictly private context, I would agree with you, but I think the main issue here is that Allardice said what he said in public and was clearly heard by people not belonging to the group. These people had every right to feel offended, even if he didn't mean to abuse them. </p>
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<p>precious fluffybunny</p>
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<p>If I were in a pub, thats what I'd say....</p> -
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<p>Maybe I am a dinosaur, but I am more concerned about the guy who complained. He said he wasn't offended but he was worried somebody else could be offended. I have a dislike for people who get outraged or offended on behalf of others.</p>
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<p>He wasn't offended but he thought someone else might be offended?</p>
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If he was offended or offended on behalf of others (as ridiculous as that seems), perhaps a better course of action would have been to approach the player directly or contact the Chiefs organisation rather than slander him as some kind of criminal on social media and in the media.
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<p style="margin-left:40px;">I am pretty sure the guy is gay and he felt the comments were directed at him.</p>
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<p>If he was offended or offended on behalf of others (as ridiculous as that seems), perhaps a better course of action would have been to approach the player directly or contact the Chiefs organisation rather than slander him as some kind of criminal on social media and in the media.</p>
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<p>Not sure if you've been following the similar drama involving Kevin Roberts but the perennially outraged might have ended his career <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/82669968/saatchi--saatchis-kevin-roberts-in-hot-water-over-gender-diversity-comments'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/82669968/saatchi--saatchis-kevin-roberts-in-hot-water-over-gender-diversity-comments</a></p> -
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Not sure if you've been following the similar drama involving Kevin Roberts but the perennially outraged might have ended his career <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/82669968/saatchi--saatchis-kevin-roberts-in-hot-water-over-gender-diversity-comments">http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/82669968/saatchi--saatchis-kevin-roberts-in-hot-water-over-gender-diversity-comments</a></p></blockquote>
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I did see that and thought it was fucking ludicrous. -
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<p>I did see that and thought it was fucking ludicrous.</p>
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<p>When I first saw the headline and read the article my first reaction was "ffs is that it?" . </p> -
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<p>Bigot. I'm reporting you to the Cock</p>
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<p>Get a load of the expression on Bono's face! He looks sooooo g g g .... . Ummm.</p>
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<p>These younger mates of mine who are especially happy coined a phrase years ago, as the mad correct-speak noose tightened on the more common terminologies familiar to my older generation. Whenever we were out in public and they wanted to alert one to the likelihood that some public figure <em>(usually someone manly admired by myself and my other mate who are the token straights in that group)</em> was an especially happy (and g..) fella they would come out with "Hey Mick, you are aware that Johnny Sattler / Sam Scott-Young / Dermot Brereton is an especially happy fella aren't you?"</p>
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<p>They would giggle like girls at my customary response: "Youse blokes really are an evil pack of .oof..rs" - oh dear, I cannot properly finish that snippet.</p> -
<p>I fucked up a Tinder date last year by accidentally joking about Gays and Blacks, I thought it was so blatantly obviously a joke but in retrospect I probably didn't read my audience very well ( a bit like my whole time on the fern really ) She was definitely morally outraged on behalf of every ethnic minority on the planet and gave me the evil glare for as long as it took to chop the rest of my Panhead APA. </p>
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<p>I didn't even bother protesting with the "I have black/gay/lesbian/dwarf/blind/deaf/religious/disabled friends" line ( apart from the dwarfs I think I do in real life ). Once you're in that deep there's really only one direction you're gonna go......</p> -
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<p>I fucked up a Tinder date last year by accidentally joking about Gays and Blacks, I thought it was so blatantly obviously a joke but in retrospect I probably didn't read my audience very well ( a bit like my whole time on the fern really ) She was definitely morally outraged on behalf of every ethnic minority on the planet and gave me the evil glare for as long as it took to chop the rest of my Panhead APA. </p>
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<p>I didn't even bother protesting with the "I have black/gay/lesbian/dwarf/blind/deaf/religious/disabled friends" line ( apart from the dwarfs I think I do in real life ). Once you're in that deep there's really only one direction you're gonna go......</p>
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<p>You dodged a bullet there mate. She was probably a closet lesbo anyway.</p> -
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<p>I fucked up a Tinder date last year by accidentally joking about Gays and Blacks, I thought it was so blatantly obviously a joke but in retrospect I probably didn't read my audience very well </p>
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<p>Nuns...no sense of humour. (The Kurgan).</p> -
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<p>I fucked up a Tinder date last year by accidentally joking about Gays and Blacks, I thought it was so blatantly obviously a joke but in retrospect I probably didn't read my audience very well ( a bit like my whole time on the fern really ) She was definitely morally outraged on behalf of every ethnic minority on the planet and gave me the evil glare for as long as it took to chop the rest of my Panhead APA. </p>
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<p>I didn't even bother protesting with the "I have black/gay/lesbian/dwarf/blind/deaf/religious/disabled friends" line ( apart from the dwarfs I think I do in real life ). Once you're in that deep there's really only one direction you're gonna go......</p>
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<p>given you are 6ft 8, most are probably dwarves to you, so you have a full house! </p> -
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<p>You dodged a bullet there mate. She was probably a closet lesbo anyway.</p>
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<p>Dude I'm thrilled with the Maori hutt slut I'm with now and I pretty much called her that the second time I met her.....</p> -
