RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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Surely we see Finlay Christie in the quarter finals
@Yeahtheboys said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Surely we see Finlay Christie in the quarter finals
I think they have been careful with Roigard to ease him in, give him game time and build his confidence playing in Black.
He may be untested under pressure but now looks really comfortable and for me, a better bet than Christie on the bench for big games.
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@KiwiMurph Needs to be less sly next time. When a prop goes down in the quarters I want to see the ABs absolutely laying into him and the ref.
@game_film said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@KiwiMurph Needs to be less sly next time. When a prop goes down in the quarters I want to see the ABs absolutely laying into him and the ref.
Should just say what he wants to say outright. Put it in the ref's mind if he can. No point saying it after we lose
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Great performance but fuck me why is our defence still so passive. Ireland thrive when they have time and space to implement their intricate attack. Take that away and they become very beatable as SA displayed last week.
We have had 4 years to at least try out a rush system, and we never did. This is a huge black mark against Foster and McLeod.
@akan004 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Great performance but fuck me why is our defence still so passive. Ireland thrive when they have time and space to implement their intricate attack. Take that away and they become very beatable as SA displayed last week.
We have had 4 years to at least try out a rush system, and we never did. This is a huge black mark against Foster and McLeod.
It's a rope-a-dope except rope-a-doping ourselves.
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@sparky said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Rob Kearney before yesterday’s game having a go at NZ’s “quality of player.”
Can't say I disagree with what was said.
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@sparky said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Rob Kearney before yesterday’s game having a go at NZ’s “quality of player.”
Can't say I disagree with what was said.
@Crazy-Horse I’ll save my judgment on our quality of players until the end of the tournament, but if Sam Whitelock wins three World Cups he’ll arguably supersede any of the players Rob Kearney mentioned.
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@akan004 I’m certain there’s a different AB defence pattern that we’ll see in the knock outs against either of those sides.
@sparky said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@akan004 I’m certain there’s a different AB defence pattern that we’ll see in the knock outs against either of those sides.
That would be the dryest of powders, since forever! Never tested, always dry - Fosters amazing rush defence
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@sparky said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Rob Kearney before yesterday’s game having a go at NZ’s “quality of player.”
Pretty much agree with what was said in that video, the quality of players has evened up dramatically in the last 5-10 years. Matt Williams comment on the top teams beating each other regularly was really interesting - we've seen the same thing happening at U20 level - and that's why this RWC is arguably the most open for years.
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@sparky said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@akan004 I’m certain there’s a different AB defence pattern that we’ll see in the knock outs against either of those sides.
That would be the dryest of powders, since forever! Never tested, always dry - Fosters amazing rush defence
@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
That would be the dryest of powders, since forever! Never tested, always dry - Fosters amazing rush defence
Foster just needs to tell Ryan he's hidden a couple of donuts in the match ball and that's the forwards sorted at least.
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@sparky said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Rob Kearney before yesterday’s game having a go at NZ’s “quality of player.”
Pretty much agree with what was said in that video, the quality of players has evened up dramatically in the last 5-10 years. Matt Williams comment on the top teams beating each other regularly was really interesting - we've seen the same thing happening at U20 level - and that's why this RWC is arguably the most open for years.
Yes, it’s hard to disagree m. In fact it has been said on this forum for some time.
Kearney is right but it’s a little disingenuous as the 2015 team was probably the greatest side to ever play the game with all time greats throughout the side.
You can’t use that as a stick to beat the current team because they don’t have 6 all time greats in the team.
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Good to hear that some of you morons have worked out that Papalii has been excellent for the last three years. Well, get yourself ready to drop Ioane, you fucking morons.
@Tim said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Good to hear that some of you morons have worked out that Papalii has been excellent for the last three years. Well, get yourself ready to drop Ioane, you fucking morons.
Asking for a friend but is paps ur boyfriend? Everyone looked good against a hapless Italian side. Doesn’t get rid of an anonymous performance vs France. I’m not anti-paps but your one man fan club and ranting on as if you’ve had a few stout drinks is really tiresome these days.
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I'd start Paps as well and have Savea as captain.
We are for example never going to outmuscle SA but we can outplay them. -
Yes, it’s hard to disagree m. In fact it has been said on this forum for some time.
Kearney is right but it’s a little disingenuous as the 2015 team was probably the greatest side to ever play the game with all time greats throughout the side.
You can’t use that as a stick to beat the current team because they don’t have 6 all time greats in the team.
@DaGrubster said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
You can’t use that as a stick to beat the current team because they don’t have 6 all time greats in the team.
It's the lack of follow-thru talent that's worrying. Sure, we've had injury issues but I think it's more than cyclical. Don't want to bang on about it, but we need to look at player development and the games structure.
Positive things like the AB XV are happening though and you get the sense that there's more co-ordination between the AB & SR levels.
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Yes, it’s hard to disagree m. In fact it has been said on this forum for some time.
Kearney is right but it’s a little disingenuous as the 2015 team was probably the greatest side to ever play the game with all time greats throughout the side.
You can’t use that as a stick to beat the current team because they don’t have 6 all time greats in the team.
@DaGrubster said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Yes, it’s hard to disagree m. In fact it has been said on this forum for some time.
Kearney is right but it’s a little disingenuous as the 2015 team was probably the greatest side to ever play the game with all time greats throughout the side.
You can’t use that as a stick to beat the current team because they don’t have 6 all time greats in the team.
Interesting that Kearney listed Israel Dagg in his list of generational players. I don't have him on the same level of the pantheon as the others he listed. I'll put this here.
Israel Dagg 26 tries in 66 tests
Will Jordan 25 tries in 27 testsAlthough they're long in the tooth, Coles, Retallick, Whitelock, Smith, Beauden are all generational players. Sam Cane not far behind.
What will we be saying in 10 years about Lomax, Big Sami, SBarrett, Ardie, Roigard, Jordie, Reiko, Telea, Jordan? Especially if we happen to win this World Cup.
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
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@MajorRage said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MiketheSnow when there is an “injury” there is time wastage either side of the clock being stopped.
So if you have 7-8 “injuries”, it adds up.
Not hard.
But the same could be said of last night's match with so many tries scored
16 tries scored = 24 minutes of conversions and trotting back to the halfway line to restart the match
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MajorRage said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MiketheSnow when there is an “injury” there is time wastage either side of the clock being stopped.
So if you have 7-8 “injuries”, it adds up.
Not hard.
But the same could be said of last night's match with so many tries scored
16 tries scored = 24 minutes of conversions and trotting back to the halfway line to restart the match
To be fair Mike, getting a rest between tries while putting 96 points on a team is not the same as front-rowers who don't have the cardio to play even 40 minutes continually pretending to be injured when they need to catch their breath.
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@DaGrubster said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Yes, it’s hard to disagree m. In fact it has been said on this forum for some time.
Kearney is right but it’s a little disingenuous as the 2015 team was probably the greatest side to ever play the game with all time greats throughout the side.
You can’t use that as a stick to beat the current team because they don’t have 6 all time greats in the team.
Interesting that Kearney listed Israel Dagg in his list of generational players. I don't have him on the same level of the pantheon as the others he listed. I'll put this here.
Israel Dagg 26 tries in 66 tests
Will Jordan 25 tries in 27 testsAlthough they're long in the tooth, Coles, Retallick, Whitelock, Smith, Beauden are all generational players. Sam Cane not far behind.
What will we be saying in 10 years about Lomax, Big Sami, SBarrett, Ardie, Roigard, Jordie, Reiko, Telea, Jordan? Especially if we happen to win this World Cup.
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@DaGrubster said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Yes, it’s hard to disagree m. In fact it has been said on this forum for some time.
Kearney is right but it’s a little disingenuous as the 2015 team was probably the greatest side to ever play the game with all time greats throughout the side.
You can’t use that as a stick to beat the current team because they don’t have 6 all time greats in the team.
Interesting that Kearney listed Israel Dagg in his list of generational players. I don't have him on the same level of the pantheon as the others he listed. I'll put this here.
Israel Dagg 26 tries in 66 tests
Will Jordan 25 tries in 27 testsAlthough they're long in the tooth, Coles, Retallick, Whitelock, Smith, Beauden are all generational players. Sam Cane not far behind.
What will we be saying in 10 years about Lomax, Big Sami, SBarrett, Ardie, Roigard, Jordie, Reiko, Telea, Jordan? Especially if we happen to win this World Cup.
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
That’s the key bit there for me although even at their absolute best ( which in all honesty none of them are anymore ) are they a match for Mealamu, McCaw, Carter, Nonu and C Smith ?
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MajorRage said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MiketheSnow when there is an “injury” there is time wastage either side of the clock being stopped.
So if you have 7-8 “injuries”, it adds up.
Not hard.
But the same could be said of last night's match with so many tries scored
16 tries scored = 24 minutes of conversions and trotting back to the halfway line to restart the match
To be fair Mike, getting a rest between tries while putting 96 points on a team is not the same as front-rowers who don't have the cardio to play even 40 minutes continually pretending to be injured when they need to catch their breath.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MajorRage said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MiketheSnow when there is an “injury” there is time wastage either side of the clock being stopped.
So if you have 7-8 “injuries”, it adds up.
Not hard.
But the same could be said of last night's match with so many tries scored
16 tries scored = 24 minutes of conversions and trotting back to the halfway line to restart the match
To be fair Mike, getting a rest between tries while putting 96 points on a team is not the same as front-rowers who don't have the cardio to play even 40 minutes continually predending to be injured when they need to catch their breath.
Yeah do we want to get to the same stage as American Football where guys who have to bench a minimum of 220kg or so just to compete in their positions have to go off every play and get oxygen on the sidelines ?
The current rules are the rules and the Boks have the best cattle to take advantage of them with all the stereotypical monsters they have at their disposal but I don’t think they’ll get much sympathy from anyone if two backs need replacing and there’s only one guy really capable of doing it.
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There was a glimpse of a different defensive pattern with a shooter coming out of the line one wide of the ruck/ball carrier.
Noticed it a few times and I thought it was used to good effect. We were caught on our heels a few times but overall I thought there were some positive signs.
Italy seem to have a fairly unconventional attacking system that is different from other NH teams.
Looking forward to seeing what we roll out in the next two games.
