RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland
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Apparently, we don't do well as under dogs
Be afraid, All Blacks fans – New Zealand are not favoured to win a game for the first time in their Rugby World Cup history.
And starting a game as rare underdogs has not worked well for the three-time Cup winners – on the four occasions their opponents have been favoured to win, New Zealand have lost.
The All Blacks have only been underdogs in four of their 359 games since the NZ TAB first offered sports betting odds in 1996 – all of them away to the Springboks in South Africa.
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Apparently, we don't do well as under dogs
Be afraid, All Blacks fans – New Zealand are not favoured to win a game for the first time in their Rugby World Cup history.
And starting a game as rare underdogs has not worked well for the three-time Cup winners – on the four occasions their opponents have been favoured to win, New Zealand have lost.
The All Blacks have only been underdogs in four of their 359 games since the NZ TAB first offered sports betting odds in 1996 – all of them away to the Springboks in South Africa.
@Machpants not sure TAB odds setting for the ABs are a true gauge...
So the only game we were underdogs and won was SA last year?
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We can talk about Foz getting them up for this, but if they come out flat that’s a massive indictment on the senior players. This may not be the 2015 crop talent-wise, but there’s a shit-ton of experience in this side. No excuses.
@voodoo Razor / Crusaders, Farrell / Ireland would have something to say about that.
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@Machpants not sure TAB odds setting for the ABs are a true gauge...
So the only game we were underdogs and won was SA last year?
@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Machpants not sure TAB odds setting for the ABs are a true gauge...
So the only game we were underdogs and won was SA last year?
Nope, TAB have had abs under dogs 5 times, 4 times away versus SA and all for lost. 5th time is this game
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@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.
If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong
@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.
If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong
Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Machpants not sure TAB odds setting for the ABs are a true gauge...
So the only game we were underdogs and won was SA last year?
Nope, TAB have had abs under dogs 5 times, 4 times away versus SA and all for lost. 5th time is this game
@Machpants so they had us as faves for the test we won in SA last year?
Kinda proves my point about the TAB and thier odds setting?
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@Machpants so they had us as faves for the test we won in SA last year?
Kinda proves my point about the TAB and thier odds setting?
@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Machpants so they had us as faves for the test we won in SA last year?
Kinda proves my point about the TAB and thier odds setting?
Oh correct tab always over rate the abs. Like now, no way we should be paying 2$, 4$ would be more accurate. But the of times when they say abs are going lose, like the quarters, they're right
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Come on use f_ckas. Lets do this
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@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Machpants so they had us as faves for the test we won in SA last year?
Kinda proves my point about the TAB and thier odds setting?
Oh correct tab always over rate the abs. Like now, no way we should be paying 2$, 4$ would be more accurate. But the of times when they say abs are going lose, like the quarters, they're right
@Machpants said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
But the of times when they say abs are going lose, like the quarters, they're right
in terms of that statement, surely they didnt have us as under dogs in 2007, our only 1/4 exit?
Or am I reading what you are saying wrong?
Irish proved last year stats mean jack
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This was circulating social media 12 years ago...
Who got us this time?
@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
This was circulating social media 12 years ago...
Who got us this time?
Weepu could come on off the bench as replacement prop.
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@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.
If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong
Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.
If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong
Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.
If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.
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I hate to say it but that 3rd test against Ireland at home, series decider, to protect that record should have seen ample motivation no? Foster's ABs have just not displayed the backlash to an AB loss which we'd become used to seeing. Where was the backlash against France to getting thrashed by SA?
It will take more than frothing to beat these guys - up front they are physically our equals, motivated as fuck, and crucially far better disciplined and more cohesive - we actually need to play smart and show some patience i.e. play some territory and not think we have to come up with some piece of low percentage chip kick magic on every single play Beauden. Either that or we need a shitload of luck, as we got vs SA in NZ where every bounce of the ball and contested kick went our way. I would really far rather have the former, but figure we are relying on the latter. -
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.
If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong
Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.
If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.
@MN5 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.
If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong
Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.
If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.
Your mob were saying the same about England last go round
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@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.
Yeah be nice for them to be motivated to win for a change when they usually don't give a shit eh
@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.
Yeah be nice for them to be motivated to win for a change when they usually don't give a shit eh
You are spot on on this and your previous post.
Motivation isn't an issue - but if they are desperate to win or playing catch-up they can go to pieces. Try too hard and you get the Read Wild Staring Eyes nightmare again.
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This was circulating social media 12 years ago...
Who got us this time?
@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
This was circulating social media 12 years ago...
Who got us this time?
Wrong pic.
That's Piri Weepu and not Beaver.
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@MN5 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.
If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong
Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.
If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.
Your mob were saying the same about England last go round
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@MN5 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.
If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong
Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.
If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.
Your mob were saying the same about England last go round
That’s why I said if
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Foz
"We know them pretty well, and they know us pretty well, and there's no doubt that both teams will try and surprise around the edges, but the game's going to be about discipline defensively. It's going to be about intensity at the breakdown and body height. And winning corners and stuff like that.
https://www.allblacks.com/news/fosters-focus-breaking-down-the-all-blacks-preparation-for-ireland/
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“Kearney was also keen to point out that Schmidt laid a lot of the foundations before Farrell took over.
"I think a lot, to be honest with you," he said when asked about how much of the bedrock was still there from the Schmidt era.
"If you remember back initially when he took over we didn’t have [forwards coach] Paul O’Connell at that stage. Paul came in and Paul was probably one of Joe’s biggest fans and, I think as a coach, learned a huge amount from Joe.
"I think he’s put into practice a lot of the habits that Joe instilled into the team and even uses some of the language that Joe used as well so I think that there has been a lot of what Joe did in his period of time that we still use.
"But obviously with Andy as head coach and Mike Catt as attack/backs coach, there has been a fair bit of tweaking as well. We play a very different game to what we played under Joe, much more I suppose ball-in-hand focused and 15-man focused.
"But just to go back to the question, certainly Paul has honestly brought a lot of what Joe brought to the team and no doubt that we benefit from that still."
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@MN5 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.
If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong
Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.
If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.
Your mob were saying the same about England last go round
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@MN5 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.
If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong
Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.
If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.
Your mob were saying the same about England last go round
At least England had some ability.
Why are Wales good all of a sudden because they got out of jail vs Fiji, and smoked the worst Australian side of the modern era... lets not forget the struggles vs Portugal as well.
Argentina also have been rubbish at this WC and have benefitted majorly from a weak pool... of the two, they are more likely of upsetting the applecart in the semis, but I'd be stunned if one of NZ and Ireland aren't in the final.
