RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland
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I am prepared to make an admission right now, although I want ABs to win as always etc, I am not all that nervous or strung up about game. I suspect regardless of result, my life will go on and anyway, I got a NPC semi to go to and get into before that! (C'mon the Naki)
I really think reading rugby forums and how wound up some posters get has been good for me, I know personally if I got to hate people (players, coaches or refs) and got too upset if my team won or lost, I would know the game wouldn't be giving me the joy that it does now. -
Well I'm super nervous. I want 3 more weeks.
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I just want us to play well. At the end of it all, if we've played 80 minutes of good honest rugby, and we get a fair shake from Barnes, win or lose I will be okay. This last four year cycle has taught me to lower my sights considerably and if we win through I will be pleasantly surprised
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I'm happy with Wayne Barnes, he keeps the game moving and won't allow the faking of injuries to slow it down. He's not a shadow of the ref who choked in 2007.
I'm nervous and hopeful, I see it as a 50-50 match. Mind boggling to me to see how many people think we have no chance. We are still the All Blacks and we have some magnificent players. The return of several key players after the France match is huge. If we can't get up for this one, we'll never get excited about a match.
We've got to start strong, hit them hard and slowly start putting the doubts in their minds that we used to get when favourites at a world cup. I hope there are no silly cards for accidental head clashes (but if there is, they go to Ireland this time). Come on Boys! -
I'm happy with Wayne Barnes, he keeps the game moving and won't allow the faking of injuries to slow it down. He's not a shadow of the ref who choked in 2007.
I'm nervous and hopeful, I see it as a 50-50 match. Mind boggling to me to see how many people think we have no chance. We are still the All Blacks and we have some magnificent players. The return of several key players after the France match is huge. If we can't get up for this one, we'll never get excited about a match.
We've got to start strong, hit them hard and slowly start putting the doubts in their minds that we used to get when favourites at a world cup. I hope there are no silly cards for accidental head clashes (but if there is, they go to Ireland this time). Come on Boys!@Richie8-7 I agree, a strong start is key. Get ahead and make them chase us
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Watching irelands attacking patterns , body’s in motion everywhere, it’s impressive,
Much has been made of our somewhat outdated defensive structures where we still go man on man.
I have a fear we get a few reads wrong and it costs us .
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Watching irelands attacking patterns , body’s in motion everywhere, it’s impressive,
Much has been made of our somewhat outdated defensive structures where we still go man on man.
I have a fear we get a few reads wrong and it costs us .
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Watching irelands attacking patterns , body’s in motion everywhere, it’s impressive,
Much has been made of our somewhat outdated defensive structures where we still go man on man.
I have a fear we get a few reads wrong and it costs us .
Some of it can be pretty borderline. In a way it reminds me of the excellent Brumbies teams who used to put a lot of runners ahead of the ball, until they weren't allowed to anymore
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Watching irelands attacking patterns , body’s in motion everywhere, it’s impressive,
Much has been made of our somewhat outdated defensive structures where we still go man on man.
I have a fear we get a few reads wrong and it costs us .
@kiwiinmelb it might be cliched, but pressure thier 9-10 channel you will make huge inroads to upsetting thier attaack, which in turn will put pressure on the defence.
@Dan54 TBH I think most have come to expect we will bow out this weekend, Team Fozzie have certainly lowered the bar, and I think for whatever reason, this has allowed the edge to be taken off the team.
Hopefully being in camp for weeks now has galvanised them, pressure for spots as well, will give them a bit of urgency and desire
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@mariner4life personally for me ST has to be there, he was one of the few forwards that gained any go forward from the previous matches, plus he is not a hot head. Although Coles might have gained ascendancy for whatever reason up the pecking order, he is not someone I would play against a team that thrives on penalties.
@bayimports said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
he was one of the few forwards that gained any go forward from the previous matches, plus he is not a hot head.
Bloody good point.
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Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)@Bovidae said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)Happy with Barnes. One of the better refs about.
Just hope he doesn't get injured and that twat Carley takes over.
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Watching irelands attacking patterns , body’s in motion everywhere, it’s impressive,
Much has been made of our somewhat outdated defensive structures where we still go man on man.
I have a fear we get a few reads wrong and it costs us .
Some of it can be pretty borderline. In a way it reminds me of the excellent Brumbies teams who used to put a lot of runners ahead of the ball, until they weren't allowed to anymore
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The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
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The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
@Dodge said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
Just getting early excuses in for when things don’t go their way
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The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
@Dodge were you at ABs v SA Twickenham. Never seen such an avalanche
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The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
@Dodge said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
It's because refs have such a significant influence on the game. I don't think yo usee this in League, or even in Cricket. It highlights how damn broken the sport is at the moment that people are having earnest discussions about this TMO vs that TMO.
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@Dodge said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
It's because refs have such a significant influence on the game. I don't think yo usee this in League, or even in Cricket. It highlights how damn broken the sport is at the moment that people are having earnest discussions about this TMO vs that TMO.
@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Dodge said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
It's because refs have such a significant influence on the game. I don't think yo usee this in League, or even in Cricket. It highlights how damn broken the sport is at the moment that people are having earnest discussions about this TMO vs that TMO.
I think we would all prefer for games to be settled on the field without major intervention. But the game is so fast and so complicated now, and with teams all pushing the boundaries, along with the extremely tight tackle rules (and inconsistent rulings), it has become far too much of a talking point
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@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Dodge said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
It's because refs have such a significant influence on the game. I don't think yo usee this in League, or even in Cricket. It highlights how damn broken the sport is at the moment that people are having earnest discussions about this TMO vs that TMO.
I think we would all prefer for games to be settled on the field without major intervention. But the game is so fast and so complicated now, and with teams all pushing the boundaries, along with the extremely tight tackle rules (and inconsistent rulings), it has become far too much of a talking point
@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Dodge said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
It's because refs have such a significant influence on the game. I don't think yo usee this in League, or even in Cricket. It highlights how damn broken the sport is at the moment that people are having earnest discussions about this TMO vs that TMO.
I think we would all prefer for games to be settled on the field without major intervention. But the game is so fast and so complicated now, and with teams all pushing the boundaries, along with the extremely tight tackle rules (and inconsistent rulings), it has become far too much of a talking point
don't forget the slo mo grainy attempt to determine if the impact was shoulder to shoulder or shoulder to head, and a play on or red card ... or if there was a shoulder to chest in a ruck cleanout that nullifies a try. TMO have to earn their keep after all
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@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Dodge said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
It's because refs have such a significant influence on the game. I don't think yo usee this in League, or even in Cricket. It highlights how damn broken the sport is at the moment that people are having earnest discussions about this TMO vs that TMO.
I think we would all prefer for games to be settled on the field without major intervention. But the game is so fast and so complicated now, and with teams all pushing the boundaries, along with the extremely tight tackle rules (and inconsistent rulings), it has become far too much of a talking point
don't forget the slo mo grainy attempt to determine if the impact was shoulder to shoulder or shoulder to head, and a play on or red card ... or if there was a shoulder to chest in a ruck cleanout that nullifies a try. TMO have to earn their keep after all
@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Dodge said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
It's because refs have such a significant influence on the game. I don't think yo usee this in League, or even in Cricket. It highlights how damn broken the sport is at the moment that people are having earnest discussions about this TMO vs that TMO.
I think we would all prefer for games to be settled on the field without major intervention. But the game is so fast and so complicated now, and with teams all pushing the boundaries, along with the extremely tight tackle rules (and inconsistent rulings), it has become far too much of a talking point
don't forget the slo mo grainy attempt to determine if the impact was shoulder to shoulder or shoulder to head, and a play on or red card ... or if there was a shoulder to chest in a ruck cleanout that nullifies a try. TMO have to earn their keep after all
And all the while they miss the simple stuff
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@Dodge said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
It's because refs have such a significant influence on the game. I don't think yo usee this in League, or even in Cricket. It highlights how damn broken the sport is at the moment that people are having earnest discussions about this TMO vs that TMO.
@nzzp said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Dodge said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
It's because refs have such a significant influence on the game. I don't think yo usee this in League, or even in Cricket. It highlights how damn broken the sport is at the moment that people are having earnest discussions about this TMO vs that TMO.
The sport is very, very difficult to ref. It's complex and you just can't see everything. The majority of rucks and ruck turnovers could go either way depending on who the ref is and what they see: was there a clear release, did the jackler have their hands on the ground/player or ball, were they supporting their weight, what was the angle of entry, were the cleaners obstructed and prevented from hitting them in time etc.
On top of that you add in incompetent TMOs (Jonker specifically) who go to great lengths to find some things and completely ignore others, often in the same passage of play. You could give that guy 10 years to make a correct decision and he'd still fuck it up. the standard for compliance with the rules is hugely different when a try is scored becaue everything is double-checked, and certain rules aren't even applied close to the line.
Absurd inconsistencies in cards given which have a massive impact on results, and then further absurdity in the sanctions given for cards.
It's really complex, and we can't even deal with the basics like getting an offside line policed consistently. -
The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
@Dodge said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
The obsession with refs on every thread this week when every fan complains about the ref after a game their team is involved in anyway is doing my head in.
All the refs are doing their best and they are all better than we give them credit for.
Appreciate it's difficult. Was at Cardiff in '07 and I blamed the players for not managing Barnes rather than the other way around.
But as @nzzp has pointed out, the reffing/TMO interaction in this RWC has been problematic to say the least. Some of the reffing in games involving the lesser teams has been shocking to the point of being suspect.
