RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland
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Herald saying Talea may b out injured, yet Ryan said they have full squad fit, interesting
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With Irelands kicking game, BB best station himself behind LF, as that is where they will be kicking it all day.
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@stodders hahahaha. From Napier again:
“The main point of contention in the reserves appears at halfback where Finlay Christie could be a surprise inclusion over Cam Roigard.”
Napier’s/Fern’s possible AB team:
Ethan de Groot, Codie Taylor, Tyrel Lomax, Scott Barrett, Brodie Retallick, Shannon Frizell, Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Aaron Smith, Richie Mo’unga, Leicester Fainga’anuku, Jordie Barrett, Rieko Ioane, Will Jordan, Beauden Barrett
Dane Coles, Ofa Tuʻungafasi, Fletcher Newell, Sam Whitelock, Dalton Papali’i, Finlay Christie, Damian McKenzie, Anton Lienert-Brown
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders hahahaha. From Napier again:
“The main point of contention in the reserves appears at halfback where Finlay Christie could be a surprise inclusion over Cam Roigard.”
Napier’s/Fern’s possible AB team:
Ethan de Groot, Codie Taylor, Tyrel Lomax, Scott Barrett, Brodie Retallick, Shannon Frizell, Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Aaron Smith, Richie Mo’unga, Leicester Fainga’anuku, Jordie Barrett, Rieko Ioane, Will Jordan, Beauden Barrett
Dane Coles, Ofa Tuʻungafasi, Fletcher Newell, Sam Whitelock, Dalton Papali’i, Finlay Christie, Damian McKenzie, Anton Lienert-Brown
Sadly it wouldn’t be a surprise inclusion really. Just a disappointing one.
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Telea has been excellent in his appearances. Would be a bad loss. I’m not seeing a lot of Internet talk about this though. Just Liam aka George.
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Napier's reporting is usually rock solid but this feels like predictions rather than his usual inside oil.
@KiwiMurph I can’t imagine they’d be leaking from inside the camp…
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@george33 Liam Napier’s latest article looks like a summary of this thread
.I think @george33 suggested Fainga’anuku was a potential surprise starter further up the thread and Napier goes with:
“If Telea is ruled out the All Blacks will turn to Leicester Fainga’anuku’s powerful presence after he impressed from the left wing to claim four tries against Namibia and Uruguay.”
Nobody from the AB camp suggested there was a problem with Telea this week. So did Napier shoe horn the Telea injury (conjecture) on the back of George’s suggestion that Leicester may be selected? Interesting
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@george33 Liam Napier’s latest article looks like a summary of this thread
.I think @george33 suggested Fainga’anuku was a potential surprise starter further up the thread and Napier goes with:
“If Telea is ruled out the All Blacks will turn to Leicester Fainga’anuku’s powerful presence after he impressed from the left wing to claim four tries against Namibia and Uruguay.”
Nobody from the AB camp suggested there was a problem with Telea this week. So did Napier shoe horn the Telea injury (conjecture) on the back of George’s suggestion that Leicester may be selected? Interesting
I think it was me , George said no he isn’t in the 23, from memory,
I heard yesterday morning telea has a niggle .
And Christie would be on the bench .
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@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@george33 Liam Napier’s latest article looks like a summary of this thread
.I think @george33 suggested Fainga’anuku was a potential surprise starter further up the thread and Napier goes with:
“If Telea is ruled out the All Blacks will turn to Leicester Fainga’anuku’s powerful presence after he impressed from the left wing to claim four tries against Namibia and Uruguay.”
Nobody from the AB camp suggested there was a problem with Telea this week. So did Napier shoe horn the Telea injury (conjecture) on the back of George’s suggestion that Leicester may be selected? Interesting
I think it was me , George said no he isn’t in the 23, from memory,
I heard yesterday morning telea has a niggle .
And Christie would be on the bench .
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Only 1 I herd a rumour about last Monday was Christie was looking very likely on bench and rest was pretty settled with Talea on wing
@george33 not sure which is the more disappointing news for AB fans. Potentially losing your premier attacking winger, or the coaches potentially selecting the no 9 in the match day squad nobody is that enamoured with over the young tyro who has made every post a winner so far. Must be part of the master plan I guess
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@george33 not sure which is the more disappointing news for AB fans. Potentially losing your premier attacking winger, or the coaches potentially selecting the no 9 in the match day squad nobody is that enamoured with over the young tyro who has made every post a winner so far. Must be part of the master plan I guess
@stodders well we will find out, only thing must be experience on Finlay's side mite get him over the line ,as for Talea if he's out that's huge loss , Leister is quality but makes alot of errors and I worry about his pace and slowness to turn and chase at test level big matches, If I'm correct he played Ireland last season then basically disappeared after that series, and the other bench rumour Newell over Nepo just can't see it ,both De Groot and Lomax haven't played significant minutes for a while now, must b temptation to start Ofa,Nepo with De Groot,Lomax on bench,still think Newell is a way off yet at test level big matches, ok to look good against minnows ,Ireland different beast
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@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@MiketheSnow Ryan was on the bench against Scotland. Henderson started.
So Ryan out, McCarthy in is the only change.
Strong, settled team. They are battle hardened, but they have also played a fair bit too. Compare the NZ backrow playing minutes to Ireland's:
Image taken from this post on X:
https://x.com/Selfimprove_Man/status/1712014608557338881?s=20
That is very interesting to see just how many minutes the Ireland top team have had. Shows how important their core players are but also shows why they are so well drilled and organised, they play a shitload of minutes together which simply can't be earnt on the training field. I'm surprised Ioane has only played 172 minutes in 4 games compared to 259 for ringrose or 320 for Aki.
@chimoaus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
That is very interesting to see just how many minutes the Ireland top team have had. Shows how important their core players are but also shows why they are so well drilled and organised, they play a shitload of minutes together which simply can't be earnt on the training field.
To labour the point, 14 of the 23 are from Leinster so they play a lot together all year. That number would have been higher if Ryan was fit.
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@stodders well we will find out, only thing must be experience on Finlay's side mite get him over the line ,as for Talea if he's out that's huge loss , Leister is quality but makes alot of errors and I worry about his pace and slowness to turn and chase at test level big matches, If I'm correct he played Ireland last season then basically disappeared after that series, and the other bench rumour Newell over Nepo just can't see it ,both De Groot and Lomax haven't played significant minutes for a while now, must b temptation to start Ofa,Nepo with De Groot,Lomax on bench,still think Newell is a way off yet at test level big matches, ok to look good against minnows ,Ireland different beast
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@chimoaus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
That is very interesting to see just how many minutes the Ireland top team have had. Shows how important their core players are but also shows why they are so well drilled and organised, they play a shitload of minutes together which simply can't be earnt on the training field.
To labour the point, 14 of the 23 are from Leinster so they play a lot together all year. That number would have been higher if Ryan was fit.
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I can't see Roigard getting dropped. Doesn't make sense, he's been excellent off the bench when Smith starts and he has a combination with McKenzie that's starting to hum. Roigard has the attacking prowess to change a game late in the piece, Christie doesn't. Yes he isn't the finished product but he's so much better than Christie in my view. Would be very odd if Foster picks Christie but then again I wouldn't be surprised because it's something he would do.
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I can't see Roigard getting dropped. Doesn't make sense, he's been excellent off the bench when Smith starts and he has a combination with McKenzie that's starting to hum. Roigard has the attacking prowess to change a game late in the piece, Christie doesn't. Yes he isn't the finished product but he's so much better than Christie in my view. Would be very odd if Foster picks Christie but then again I wouldn't be surprised because it's something he would do.
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@Canes4life did Roigard blot his copybook in Uruguay match by struggling with the messy breakdown in the first 20 mins perhaps? It’ll be similar at the weekend with Ireland.
@stodders yeah but Christie struggles when we have parity so who the hell knows. I thought Roigard started off patchy but came right as the game went on. Just an experience thing. Roigard has so much more upside than Christie. No point going into Ireland picking experienced players if they don't do anything. If we are down late in the game I'd rather bring on someone like Roigard than Christie to break the game open.
Christie has literally shown nothing with his chances to say pick me. We are not going beat Ireland by picking players like that.
