RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland
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Not one to cause alarm but Roigard was a breath of fresh air at Twickenham. It was only South Africa though.
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It pains me to say I have never been more confident of an impending All Black loss
Under Foster we have arrived at RWC QF 4 years later as a massive underdog.
Even against England in the 2019 RWC semi final there was reasonable degree of confidence the ABs would get the job doneHoping for the best expecting the worst
I would imagine that’s what many other supporters use to think when their team was taking on the All Blacks@Steven-Harris said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Hoping for the best expecting the worst
Are you gonna drop the bomb or not
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Not one to cause alarm but Roigard was a breath of fresh air at Twickenham. It was only South Africa though.
@BerniesCorner said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not one to cause alarm but Roigard was a breath of fresh air at Twickenham. It was only South Africa though.
Christie was a breath of carious, decaying tooth air in many other Tests, though, which has its fans, too
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@foobaNZ said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Like most, my first reaction is why TF Christie is there over Roigard. Absolutely baffling.
Not baffling. He's been picked for his defence which is one dimensional thinking.
Completely the wrong decision IMHO as Roigard offers a whole lot more and is what we used to call a "comer" in the old days - a player not frightened to try things
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Not one to cause alarm but Roigard was a breath of fresh air at Twickenham. It was only South Africa though.
@BerniesCorner said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not one to cause alarm but Roigard was a breath of fresh air at Twickenham. It was only South Africa though.
Any new bloke coming on with the game well and truly over and having a go would have looked a breath of fresh air in that shit-show.
What was way more impressive was the way he calmed himself down after a shit start against Uruguay and then played like he was born to the role.
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Schmidt must have had an input into the 9. He coached Christie with the Blues, so maybe he swayed Foster
Or maybe Schmidt found out this Irish team are allergic to redheads as he went through his intense analysis
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Schmidt must have had an input into the 9. He coached Christie with the Blues, so maybe he swayed Foster
Yes, it would be good to know how much influence the assistant coaches have in the final selections. Ryan has rolled the dice with the young props while Schmidt has gone all conservative.
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@Machpants said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones have to say it must be reasonably major to be stood down for a RWC quarter final, when he is a form winger?
No I don't think so, the rules don't change 'cos it is a 1/4, the ABs leadership group will have set the rules, and they will have given the punishment. Same as if it was Namibia on Sun.
Exactly it was the leadership group that stopped Cruden going on a tour when he missed a team bus a few years back.
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Schmidt was always conservative with Irish selections. I really think not picking Roigard is a msssive mistake. Christie is the kind of halfback the Scottish would choose. Oh wait he is Scottish.
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@Victor-Meldrew that is baffling to me.
Any supposed superiority in Christie's defence is more than negated by Roigard's superiority elsewhere.
So again, I think it's baffling.
@foobaNZ said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew that is baffling to me.
Any supposed superiority in Christie's defence is more than negated by Roigard's superiority elsewhere.
So again, I think it's baffling.
Not for me. I understand the thinking and decision
I also understand it's shit thinking and a shit decision..
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@BerniesCorner said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not one to cause alarm but Roigard was a breath of fresh air at Twickenham. It was only South Africa though.
Any new bloke coming on with the game well and truly over and having a go would have looked a breath of fresh air in that shit-show.
What was way more impressive was the way he calmed himself down after a shit start against Uruguay and then played like he was born to the role.
@Victor-Meldrew Well his laser like focus and determination was what set him apart.
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@foobaNZ said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew that is baffling to me.
Any supposed superiority in Christie's defence is more than negated by Roigard's superiority elsewhere.
So again, I think it's baffling.
Not for me. I understand the thinking and decision
I also understand it's shit thinking and a shit decision..
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not for me. I understand the thinking and decision
Really though? What is the actual defensive edge he has, any idea? It's been said a lot, but there hasn't been any substance put to it.
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@foobaNZ said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Like most, my first reaction is why TF Christie is there over Roigard. Absolutely baffling.
Looking at it overall, it's the best 23 aside from that one glaring selection (and Telea being unavailable).
My concern though is the starting props haven't had a lot of recent game time. They're our best, no doubt, but that is a worry.
I must admit I would go for Roigard, but I think (well and Foster says it) Christie is considered a better defender, which is hard to argue with or against as I haven't really taken a lot of notice, and with Irish you will see that Gibson-Parkes does cause problems for teams in and around breakdowns.
As for Telea, I guess if you break the rules , usually set by the leadership team, you have to cop it I suppose. And perhaps he wasn't desperate enough to play or he wouldn't of done it.@Dan54 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@foobaNZ said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Like most, my first reaction is why TF Christie is there over Roigard. Absolutely baffling.
Looking at it overall, it's the best 23 aside from that one glaring selection (and Telea being unavailable).
My concern though is the starting props haven't had a lot of recent game time. They're our best, no doubt, but that is a worry.
I must admit I would go for Roigard, but I think (well and Foster says it) Christie is considered a better defender, which is hard to argue with or against as I haven't really taken a lot of notice, and with Irish you will see that Gibson-Parkes does cause problems for teams in and around breakdowns.
Christie will be 95% matching up against Murray, not JGP. They play quite differently.
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Hilariously bad selections. Slow unproven winger, inexperienced props, the wrong 9 on the bench.
Man Foster is hard to like.
At least they didn’t pick Blackadder
@Kirwan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Hilariously bad selections. Slow unproven winger, inexperienced props, the wrong 9 on the bench.
Man Foster is hard to like.
At least they didn’t pick Blackadder
I can accept the props, I can accept the winger (this is stupid) but the non selection of Roigard is on a par with the forever non selection of JB at 12.
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Hilariously bad selections. Slow unproven winger, inexperienced props, the wrong 9 on the bench.
Man Foster is hard to like.
At least they didn’t pick Blackadder
@Kirwan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Hilariously bad selections. Slow unproven winger, inexperienced props, the wrong 9 on the bench.
Man Foster is hard to like.
At least they didn’t pick Blackadder
They want to make it fair for the Irish I guess
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@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Schmidt must have had an input into the 9. He coached Christie with the Blues, so maybe he swayed Foster
Yes, it would be good to know how much influence the assistant coaches have in the final selections. Ryan has rolled the dice with the young props while Schmidt has gone all conservative.
@Bovidae said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Schmidt must have had an input into the 9. He coached Christie with the Blues, so maybe he swayed Foster
Yes, it would be good to know how much influence the assistant coaches have in the final selections. Ryan has rolled the dice with the young props while Schmidt has gone all conservative.
Schmidt clearly has a lot of faith in him. Christie was on the bench for the first Irish test in '22 which we won 42-19. Foster was out ill for the 1st Test against Ireland in '22 and Schmidt was in charge which is why we won according to Fern logic,
Clearly Schmidt knows what he is doing when playing Ireland and Christie is the clear and obvious choice if we are to win.
Of course, Fern logic could be bollocks....
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@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@pakman not creating an account. Does he actually say that?
ALL BLACKS BOSS Ian Foster said he still loves wing Mark Telea after dropping him for the World Cup quarter-final against Ireland due to a disciplinary breach.
26-year-old Telea, who has been brilliant since his Test debut last year, has been left out of the massive clash in Paris on Saturday, with Leicester Fainga’anuku picked in the number 11 jersey in his place.
“He breached the protocol, nothing major, but enough to keep him out of selection for this week,” said Foster this evening at the All Blacks’ team hotel east of Paris.
“I still love him, he trained well, it happens.
“Look, it is what it is. For us it’s pretty clean-cut, I don’t really want to talk about it anymore. We’ve dealt with it as a team and moved on.”
Foster was asked about the decision again later in the press conference and stressed that Telea’s breach was “minor.”
Asked if he is concerned that a key player would break team rules ahead of such a massive week, Foster instead said he believes the decision underlines how much store the All Blacks put in their protocols.
“We believe in what we stand for and that speaks volumes for the team that we make that sort of decision in this sort of week.”
Meanwhile, Foster outlined the reasoning behind some of his other selection decisions.
Finlay Christie has been picked ahead of the in-form Cam Roigard as the back-up scrum-half.
“We just felt it was horses for courses for this particular game. We think Finlay has got an edge defensively,” said Foster.@PecoTrain said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@pakman not creating an account. Does he actually say that?
“We believe in what we stand for and that speaks volumes for the team that we make that sort of decision in this sort of week.”
If I want a role model in clean living and the highest standards of human behaviour, I'm not going to go looking in a fucking rugby team. Their job is to play rugby and win, and a lot of these guys seem to not even know the history they're fucking up - now they're patting themselves on the back for not prioritising winning? Because delivering a slap on the wrist to someone for having a couple of beers when they weren't meant to means more than that?
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Not many disappointed that Taukei'aho missed out then. I know his form has slipped a bit, but do you think he missed out because he’s the weaker line out thrower?
I’m still surprised he didn’t make the bench at least.
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Not many disappointed that Taukei'aho missed out then. I know his form has slipped a bit, but do you think he missed out because he’s the weaker line out thrower?
I’m still surprised he didn’t make the bench at least.
I'm fucked off about that, and the way he's been messed around last year and this year is really just shit poor management of the highest order.
Clearly he should be there, but Taylor and Coles are both still pretty good players.
