RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland
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@antipodean said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
I've no problem with the penalty, but to have that upgraded to YC was ludicrous.
As you'd know tho, the guide wants to look at linebreak opportunity and then penalty try if there is no cover defence.
@NTA said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@antipodean said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
I've no problem with the penalty, but to have that upgraded to YC was ludicrous.
As you'd know tho, the guide wants to look at linebreak opportunity and then penalty try if there is no cover defence.
That's what concerns me. They acknowledged there was the fullback and JGP had two ABs within 5m while he was near flat footed. All this about 30m out from the line.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Coming out of the tunnel, Sam looked like the embodiment of the Laser Kiwi flag. His best game that I can remember.
@Chris-B said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Coming out of the tunnel, Sam looked like the embodiment of the Laser Kiwi flag
Someone needs to photoshop his face over the Kiwi now. Who's got the skills on here to do that?
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Meh. You are better than us but all the bad mouthing of sexton by all blacks fans comes across as weak to me. He pumped you a good few times and that doesn’t sit will with you because he’s not meek and self effacing like you expect us to be. But guess what. Winning is what counts and we’ve gone from never beating you to pumping you five times in ten years. Would be a sad and soppy game if we turned everything into a saddo popularity contest. Maybe have a bit of grace and realise he’s one of the best you’ve come across.
@ShitMcCaw REIKO
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The Great Teacher
Who can hate the Irish? This is the country that gave us Yeats and Joyce and Wilde and Beckett, after all. A good chunk of us in this part of the world have roots in Ireland. And does anyone recall that the Irish, of all peoples, probably hate the English more than anyone?
But aside from their outsized contribution to literature, drama, music and oratory, the Irish have recently become rather good at rugby. To be sure, they have picked the brains and talent of other countries to do that, but in the process they have developed their own style, cohesion and power to the point that they have struck fear into the hearts of the traditional rugby superpowers. As that Irishman Wilde said: “Be yourself; everyone else is taken”.
Ireland’s exit in the quarter final of this World Cup is no disgrace. They just came up against an All Black side that was wounded and may have wanted it more. As well, to quote Andy Farrell in his post-match presser, these knockout games can swing on small moments - Jordie Barrett’s try-saving tackle, Sam Whitelock’s steal at the end, Sexton’s missed shots at goal. A tiny adjustment in the curtains of fate could have changed the denouement entirely.
That the ABs, to win that match, had to dig deeper than they have done in probably any other match since the 2011 final against France spoke volumes not only for their new-found resilience and self-belief but also for Ireland’s never-say-die commitment and ability to keep picking themselves up from setbacks. This Ireland team were never beaten, until the final whistle. Every drop of blood that could be shed on both sides was done so.
As for Sexton, sure he can be ornery, mouthy and hard to like at times. But is he more so than Fitzy or Coles or Marshall? Put it this way, if this 38-year-old warrior been playing in black would any of his most bitter critics here have been so quick to condemn him? And could anyone in their heart of hearts really claim that Ireland’s recent successes have not made watching rugby union a richer and more thrilling experience?
As for the All Blacks and their lame duck coach, it has been a tough few years, unquestionably, with a host of undesirable ‘firsts’ on the team resume. One could almost smell the regret seeping from the hard-nosed money men at Silver Lake. But the quarter final felt like a form of redemption and a reminder that sport, like life generally, can swing on the smallest of moments.
To quote another great Irishman in James Joyce:
“To learn, one must be humble. But life is the great teacher.”
@His-Bobness Nice write up, but I've hated the Irish (in a rugby sense) since coulda-doid and their fanbase started turning nasty (I also remember them supporting the Aussies over us in 91 even though the Aussies knocked them out) - add to that their players in front of the ball I highlighted earlier in the thread and of the top 4 teams they are the team I least wanted to win the RWC.
Plus, I had a run in with that prick Irish journo Gallagher on twitter who was being a twat over NZ PIs on twitter.
Plus plus, my Irish ancestry is of the Jewish persuasion, and although they took my Eastern European ancestor in after the odd pogrom or two in the east they still didn't make it a welcoming place for even my Ireland born Jewish ancestor. Which I guess had the benefit of getting to NZ eventually to help colonise my other ancestors.
In saying all that I'll still support them over England.
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@Windows97 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby Yeah I had some sympathy for Smith as it "seemed" like a reflex reaction (though we will never know unless your A Smith yourself).
However those are the rules of the game and they were applied accordingly.
Our players know these rules and need to - dare I say it - discipline themselves to think instead of just reacting.
And it's not so much just that one example but a continuing trend of us giving away cards - that's my concern.
Was very pleased that Smith put it behind him and backed himself to get the intercept, shows great mental strength.
I've no problem with the penalty, but to have that upgraded to YC was ludicrous.
@antipodean said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Windows97 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@frugby Yeah I had some sympathy for Smith as it "seemed" like a reflex reaction (though we will never know unless your A Smith yourself).
However those are the rules of the game and they were applied accordingly.
Our players know these rules and need to - dare I say it - discipline themselves to think instead of just reacting.
And it's not so much just that one example but a continuing trend of us giving away cards - that's my concern.
Was very pleased that Smith put it behind him and backed himself to get the intercept, shows great mental strength.
I've no problem with the penalty, but to have that upgraded to YC was ludicrous.
Yeah, penalty seemed fine but a card for that seems bloody stupid. FFS rugby we don't have to card everything.
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@NTA said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@antipodean said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
I've no problem with the penalty, but to have that upgraded to YC was ludicrous.
As you'd know tho, the guide wants to look at linebreak opportunity and then penalty try if there is no cover defence.
That's what concerns me. They acknowledged there was the fullback and JGP had two ABs within 5m while he was near flat footed. All this about 30m out from the line.
@antipodean said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@NTA said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@antipodean said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
I've no problem with the penalty, but to have that upgraded to YC was ludicrous.
As you'd know tho, the guide wants to look at linebreak opportunity and then penalty try if there is no cover defence.
That's what concerns me. They acknowledged there was the fullback and JGP had two ABs within 5m while he was near flat footed. All this about 30m out from the line.
Laws: interpret them as you will. Even if the linebreak is inside your in-goal.
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The Great Teacher
Who can hate the Irish? This is the country that gave us Yeats and Joyce and Wilde and Beckett, after all. A good chunk of us in this part of the world have roots in Ireland. And does anyone recall that the Irish, of all peoples, probably hate the English more than anyone?
But aside from their outsized contribution to literature, drama, music and oratory, the Irish have recently become rather good at rugby. To be sure, they have picked the brains and talent of other countries to do that, but in the process they have developed their own style, cohesion and power to the point that they have struck fear into the hearts of the traditional rugby superpowers. As that Irishman Wilde said: “Be yourself; everyone else is taken”.
Ireland’s exit in the quarter final of this World Cup is no disgrace. They just came up against an All Black side that was wounded and may have wanted it more. As well, to quote Andy Farrell in his post-match presser, these knockout games can swing on small moments - Jordie Barrett’s try-saving tackle, Sam Whitelock’s steal at the end, Sexton’s missed shots at goal. A tiny adjustment in the curtains of fate could have changed the denouement entirely.
That the ABs, to win that match, had to dig deeper than they have done in probably any other match since the 2011 final against France spoke volumes not only for their new-found resilience and self-belief but also for Ireland’s never-say-die commitment and ability to keep picking themselves up from setbacks. This Ireland team were never beaten, until the final whistle. Every drop of blood that could be shed on both sides was done so.
As for Sexton, sure he can be ornery, mouthy and hard to like at times. But is he more so than Fitzy or Coles or Marshall? Put it this way, if this 38-year-old warrior been playing in black would any of his most bitter critics here have been so quick to condemn him? And could anyone in their heart of hearts really claim that Ireland’s recent successes have not made watching rugby union a richer and more thrilling experience?
As for the All Blacks and their lame duck coach, it has been a tough few years, unquestionably, with a host of undesirable ‘firsts’ on the team resume. One could almost smell the regret seeping from the hard-nosed money men at Silver Lake. But the quarter final felt like a form of redemption and a reminder that sport, like life generally, can swing on the smallest of moments.
To quote another great Irishman in James Joyce:
“To learn, one must be humble. But life is the great teacher.”
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@His-Bobness Great stuff as usual, Bob.
And, to quote - possibly Vince Lombardi - more succinctly:
"When you get in the end-zone - act like you've been there before".
A week of being gracious winners wouldn't have hurt us!
@Chris-B said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
A week of being gracious winners wouldn't have hurt us!
emotional outbursts after big wins are entirely reasonable. Otherwise what is the point of watching.
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@Stargazer said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
the fuck were the other 4 million people doing??
Disgraceful
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@Stargazer said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
the fuck were the other 4 million people doing??
Disgraceful
@mariner4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Stargazer said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
the fuck were the other 4 million people doing??
Disgraceful
i assumed every one of those had 5 people watching.....
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@Stargazer said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
the fuck were the other 4 million people doing??
Disgraceful
@mariner4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Stargazer said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
the fuck were the other 4 million people doing??
Disgraceful
Watching replays of the Warriors I assume.
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@Chris-B said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
A week of being gracious winners wouldn't have hurt us!
emotional outbursts after big wins are entirely reasonable. Otherwise what is the point of watching.
@mariner4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Chris-B said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
A week of being gracious winners wouldn't have hurt us!
emotional outbursts after big wins are entirely reasonable. Otherwise what is the point of watching.
Shout it at your neighbours.
I'm sticking with Vince when it comes to posting.
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@mariner4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Chris-B said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
A week of being gracious winners wouldn't have hurt us!
emotional outbursts after big wins are entirely reasonable. Otherwise what is the point of watching.
Shout it at your neighbours.
I'm sticking with Vince when it comes to posting.
@Chris-B said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@mariner4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Chris-B said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
A week of being gracious winners wouldn't have hurt us!
emotional outbursts after big wins are entirely reasonable. Otherwise what is the point of watching.
Shout it at your neighbours.
I'm sticking with Vince when it comes to posting.
oh, they heard alright
And my post game review was gushing of our vanquished opponents
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@Chris-B said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@mariner4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Chris-B said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
A week of being gracious winners wouldn't have hurt us!
emotional outbursts after big wins are entirely reasonable. Otherwise what is the point of watching.
Shout it at your neighbours.
I'm sticking with Vince when it comes to posting.
oh, they heard alright
And my post game review was gushing of our vanquished opponents
@mariner4life I don't recall you writing a diatribe on why you hate Jonny.
Don't think those are necessary this week. He's done.
Looked like his kid was tearful and he gave him a wink - that's alright!
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@mariner4life I don't recall you writing a diatribe on why you hate Jonny.
Don't think those are necessary this week. He's done.
Looked like his kid was tearful and he gave him a wink - that's alright!
@Chris-B i was full bluster and wind-up until Saturday night
Then it was nerves and "holy shit we might do this"
And since then awe in what a game of rugby it was.
This week is going to be such a come down
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I was actually quietly confident that Fozzie and Co were the men with a plan...until they named their team.
Then I had 24 hours of thinking they'd fucked it and had no idea - though I only pm-ed my doubts to Steven Harris.
Then I went back to a kind of 40-60 mode, where we can win if we play well, but we probably won't.
After the first 2 minutes I thought we were fucked - but, luckily Porter saved us.
From there I was in awe!
Great game of footy - doubtless played by numerous fuckwits and plenty of good guys!
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I said we would win by 2 scores. And i believed we would when we scored the first 13. But they never let us get away.
I did think it was going to take something special, i didn't realise quite how special. Or how many guys were going to have to play out of their skin to make it happen.
