Rugby World Cup general discussion
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I don’t have a problem with the wider convos about consistency etc, more the attacking individual refs during game threads or writing off individual refs as useless.
I should point out I’m not innocent of doing this myself, particularly live during the game. I just reckon it’s usually because I’m supporting one side and only seeing one side of these decisions so try and bite my tongue - sometimes more successfully than others
@Dodge said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
I don’t have a problem with the wider convos about consistency etc, more the attacking individual refs during game threads or writing off individual refs as useless.
I should point out I’m not innocent of doing this myself, particularly live during the game. I just reckon it’s usually because I’m supporting one side and only seeing one side of these decisions so try and bite my tongue - sometimes more successfully than others
I am guessing you don't read Super match threads. It's prevalent on there too.
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@Bones I also think that the ARs need to do a better job of assisting, whle the TMO needs to have thier remit amended.
Assistant refs have been shithouse for as long as I can recall, I still have memories of Stuart Dickerson dragging play miles back for some minor or imagined foul play that allowed him the limelight for a few minutes more. I can't remember how it was back in the days they were called touch judges. But I seem to recall that at least offsides and forward passes were picked up
Touchies used to just work out where the lineouts were and who's throw it was, and judge kicks at goal. Until sometime in the 80s when their roles expanded.
I remember in school my mate explaining that if the ref was on the other side of the scrum you could just punch the opposing prop because the touchy wouldn't do anything about it.
Not sure if that was true, I played for the second team, which was a lot more casual.
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@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@Bones I also think that the ARs need to do a better job of assisting, whle the TMO needs to have thier remit amended.
Assistant refs have been shithouse for as long as I can recall, I still have memories of Stuart Dickerson dragging play miles back for some minor or imagined foul play that allowed him the limelight for a few minutes more. I can't remember how it was back in the days they were called touch judges. But I seem to recall that at least offsides and forward passes were picked up
Touchies used to just work out where the lineouts were and who's throw it was, and judge kicks at goal. Until sometime in the 80s when their roles expanded.
I remember in school my mate explaining that if the ref was on the other side of the scrum you could just punch the opposing prop because the touchy wouldn't do anything about it.
Not sure if that was true, I played for the second team, which was a lot more casual.
100% true....the real smart one would get the locks to do and then even harder to see who threw it....simpler times
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This seems to be the most appropriate thread to post this is:
While I am elated about the Boks making it to the SF - as would be the AB fans and Argie and England fans - I truly commiserate with the losing quarter finalists and their fans.
Fiji were magnificent and punched way above their weight for a country with a TOTAL population barely 10% of the city of London.
Wales came from a dismal run of results to within a whisker of making consecutive RWC semi finals.And then there is France and Ireland. Either team could have been deserving winners of the tournament - they were playing that well. That it took the 2 best quarter final games I can remember to destroy that dream will be scant consolation to the players and their fans. Knock-out rugby is cruel like that.
I genuinely feel for you.
@Billy-Webb well written, I really feel for the Irish and French fans many who were saying "if we don't win this one we wont ever win".
I guess I remember as an AB fan how that felt during the long, long drought from 1987 to 2011.
Fiji and Wales certainly over-extended themselves are weren't far off the pace for going a step further.
Fiji rugby looks bright, I hope they build on this success, the Dura in SR really seems to have given them a boost player retention wise.
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@Billy-Webb well written, I really feel for the Irish and French fans many who were saying "if we don't win this one we wont ever win".
I guess I remember as an AB fan how that felt during the long, long drought from 1987 to 2011.
Fiji and Wales certainly over-extended themselves are weren't far off the pace for going a step further.
Fiji rugby looks bright, I hope they build on this success, the Dura in SR really seems to have given them a boost player retention wise.
@Windows97 i don't feel for them, at all really
Yes, Ireland and France turned up with arguably their best ever teams, both in great form, and it was their time.
But, funny thing about World Cups, the previous years mean jack shit, you need to get it done on the day. And i have seen the Rugby World openly and loudly revel in AB teams getting bundled out when they were supposed to win (2007 was huge), so, frankly, fuck 'em. Welcome to the pain of expectation.
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@Windows97 i don't feel for them, at all really
Yes, Ireland and France turned up with arguably their best ever teams, both in great form, and it was their time.
But, funny thing about World Cups, the previous years mean jack shit, you need to get it done on the day. And i have seen the Rugby World openly and loudly revel in AB teams getting bundled out when they were supposed to win (2007 was huge), so, frankly, fuck 'em. Welcome to the pain of expectation.
@mariner4life yep, as much as I dont like the laser focus on the RWC, it is what it is, and the Boks play the game geared to winning it...
that being said, as has been alluded to for the past few months, this has been Fozzies sole focus, while it doesnt sit well with most that we have lost so many records along the way, yet he has a pretty decent chance right now of getting his team to walk away with the lollies!
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@mariner4life yep, as much as I dont like the laser focus on the RWC, it is what it is, and the Boks play the game geared to winning it...
that being said, as has been alluded to for the past few months, this has been Fozzies sole focus, while it doesnt sit well with most that we have lost so many records along the way, yet he has a pretty decent chance right now of getting his team to walk away with the lollies!
@taniwharugby I'v enever thought the World Cup determined the best team in the World, rather the best team at a certain style of rugby at a certain time. It does tend to have the best team win it, but not always.
And i hate the focus on a four year cycle for it. I hate "sacrifices" made in the mythical pursuit of building for the World Cup. Every game on its merits.
But that's just my view, and not shared by the rugby world, i know that.
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@Windows97 i don't feel for them, at all really
Yes, Ireland and France turned up with arguably their best ever teams, both in great form, and it was their time.
But, funny thing about World Cups, the previous years mean jack shit, you need to get it done on the day. And i have seen the Rugby World openly and loudly revel in AB teams getting bundled out when they were supposed to win (2007 was huge), so, frankly, fuck 'em. Welcome to the pain of expectation.
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@Windows97 i don't feel for them, at all really
Yes, Ireland and France turned up with arguably their best ever teams, both in great form, and it was their time.
But, funny thing about World Cups, the previous years mean jack shit, you need to get it done on the day. And i have seen the Rugby World openly and loudly revel in AB teams getting bundled out when they were supposed to win (2007 was huge), so, frankly, fuck 'em. Welcome to the pain of expectation.
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@Windows97 i don't feel for them, at all really
Yes, Ireland and France turned up with arguably their best ever teams, both in great form, and it was their time.
But, funny thing about World Cups, the previous years mean jack shit, you need to get it done on the day. And i have seen the Rugby World openly and loudly revel in AB teams getting bundled out when they were supposed to win (2007 was huge), so, frankly, fuck 'em. Welcome to the pain of expectation.
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@Windows97 i don't feel for them, at all really
Yes, Ireland and France turned up with arguably their best ever teams, both in great form, and it was their time.
But, funny thing about World Cups, the previous years mean jack shit, you need to get it done on the day. And i have seen the Rugby World openly and loudly revel in AB teams getting bundled out when they were supposed to win (2007 was huge), so, frankly, fuck 'em. Welcome to the pain of expectation.
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@TeWaio said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Question: if we win the RWC, will Foster get knighted like Hansen and Henry?
Unlikely due to the potential embarrassment factor.
“Arise Sir Ferret “. Then the fat sod can’t get up.
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@TeWaio said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Question: if we win the RWC, will Foster get knighted like Hansen and Henry?
Unlikely due to the potential embarrassment factor.
“Arise Sir Ferret “. Then the fat sod can’t get up.
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Based on the SF appointments it appears that the ref for the final will be either Barnes or Raynal.
@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Based on the SF appointments it appears that the ref for the final will be either Barnes or Raynal.
Generally the guy who has done the final has refereed right through the knockouts... the way I read it, is they had Barnes or O'Keeffe down to do the final, with Jaco Peyper as the contingency plan, but as he got injured, they now needed a new contingency for a NZ v SA final, and were not happy with Raynal last week, thus have brought Gardiner back in.
The reason they have gone BOK over Barnes for this week, is because England are way more likely to lose than New Zealand so they expect Barnes to do the final.
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@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Based on the SF appointments it appears that the ref for the final will be either Barnes or Raynal.
Generally the guy who has done the final has refereed right through the knockouts... the way I read it, is they had Barnes or O'Keeffe down to do the final, with Jaco Peyper as the contingency plan, but as he got injured, they now needed a new contingency for a NZ v SA final, and were not happy with Raynal last week, thus have brought Gardiner back in.
The reason they have gone BOK over Barnes for this week, is because England are way more likely to lose than New Zealand so they expect Barnes to do the final.
I find it difficult to argue with anything you’ve said, but I really want to. Does that make any sense?
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I find it difficult to argue with anything you’ve said, but I really want to. Does that make any sense?
@Catogrande said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
I find it difficult to argue with anything you’ve said, but I really want to. Does that make any sense?
The other thing I didn't add, is if they were looking at Barnes and Raynal for the final, they'd have done this weeks games. There is no good reason for Raynal not to be doing our game, other than the fact he was poor last week.
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@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Based on the SF appointments it appears that the ref for the final will be either Barnes or Raynal.
Generally the guy who has done the final has refereed right through the knockouts... the way I read it, is they had Barnes or O'Keeffe down to do the final, with Jaco Peyper as the contingency plan, but as he got injured, they now needed a new contingency for a NZ v SA final, and were not happy with Raynal last week, thus have brought Gardiner back in.
The reason they have gone BOK over Barnes for this week, is because England are way more likely to lose than New Zealand so they expect Barnes to do the final.
@frugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Generally the guy who has done the final has refereed right through the knockouts
That wasn't the situation in 2015 as Owens never refereed a SF, only a QF and the final.
I agree that Jutge will have a pecking order for the refs with contingencies for who is playing.
