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  • BovidaeB Bovidae

    @frugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

    Generally the guy who has done the final has refereed right through the knockouts

    That wasn't the situation in 2015 as Owens never refereed a SF, only a QF and the final.

    I agree that Jutge will have a pecking order for the refs with contingencies for who is playing.

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    @Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

    @frugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

    Generally the guy who has done the final has refereed right through the knockouts

    That wasn't the situation in 2015 as Owens never refereed a SF, only a QF and the final.

    I agree that Jutge will have a pecking order for the refs with contingencies for who is playing.

    True, though that was a slightly unique situation, where we had four southern hemisphere sides, and three strong northern hemisphere referees, so they were quite happy to make their decisions there and then, as Owens was the best of that crop.

    Garces and Joubert both had semis, Rolland did not, but these are all different circumstances. I think they see B.O.K and Barnes as the top two, and had Peyper at three - the QF appointments showed that. As I say, there is no good reason for Raynal not to be reffing this week if he is in line for the final.

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      Well the final will be NZ v England, so BOK and Barnes both out

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      • M Machpants

        Well the final will be NZ v England, so BOK and Barnes both out

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        @Machpants said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

        Well the final will be NZ v England, so BOK and Barnes both out

        In which case it will be Gardiner I reckon... assuming he doesn't balls up our SF.

        Basically:
        England Lose - Barnes does final
        England Win and NZ Lose - O'Keeffe does final
        Both Win - Gardiner does final

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          #1030

          Welcome to the latest edition of Sonja Investigates.

          Are World Rugby rigging the World Cup for the Southern Hemisphere by having a referee from Australia and a referee from New Zealand officiate the Semi Finals? Good thing we have Sonja McLaughlan and her super sleuthing skills on the case.

          https://twitter.com/sonjamclaughlan/status/1714227098481471831

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            Is Pearce also a chance for the final if England isn't there? Or are we sure it's Barnes

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              Recent history says one of these games will have a bee's dick in it, the other will be by 2 scores.

              2019 semis: margin 3 and 12
              2015: 2 and 14
              2011: 1 and 14
              2007: 5 and 24
              2003: 12 and 17

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              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                Recent history says one of these games will have a bee's dick in it, the other will be by 2 scores.

                2019 semis: margin 3 and 12
                2015: 2 and 14
                2011: 1 and 14
                2007: 5 and 24
                2003: 12 and 17

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                @mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                Recent history says one of these games will have a bee's dick in it, the other will be by 2 scores.

                2019 semis: margin 3 and 12
                2015: 2 and 14
                2011: 1 and 14
                2007: 5 and 24
                2003: 12 and 17

                That pattern pretty much repeats right back to '87 (although the '87 not bee's s dick was a blowout).

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                  I think the best ever quarter finals might be followed by the worst semi finals

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                  • boobooB booboo

                    @mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                    Recent history says one of these games will have a bee's dick in it, the other will be by 2 scores.

                    2019 semis: margin 3 and 12
                    2015: 2 and 14
                    2011: 1 and 14
                    2007: 5 and 24
                    2003: 12 and 17

                    That pattern pretty much repeats right back to '87 (although the '87 not bee's s dick was a blowout).

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                    @booboo said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                    @mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                    Recent history says one of these games will have a bee's dick in it, the other will be by 2 scores.

                    2019 semis: margin 3 and 12
                    2015: 2 and 14
                    2011: 1 and 14
                    2007: 5 and 24
                    2003: 12 and 17

                    That pattern pretty much repeats right back to '87 (although the '87 not bee's s dick was a blowout).

                    i got jack of googling at 2003

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                    • DuluthD Duluth

                      I think the best ever quarter finals might be followed by the worst semi finals

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                      @Duluth said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                      I think the best ever quarter finals might be followed by the worst semi finals

                      i'm not ready to declare that, but the draw that made the quarters so good does sort of look like that

                      Fuck i hope we are the two score game, i can't go through Sunday morning 3 weekends in a row (yes i am getting ahead of myself)

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                      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                        @booboo said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                        @mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                        Recent history says one of these games will have a bee's dick in it, the other will be by 2 scores.

                        2019 semis: margin 3 and 12
                        2015: 2 and 14
                        2011: 1 and 14
                        2007: 5 and 24
                        2003: 12 and 17

                        That pattern pretty much repeats right back to '87 (although the '87 not bee's s dick was a blowout).

                        i got jack of googling at 2003

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                        @mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                        @booboo said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                        @mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                        Recent history says one of these games will have a bee's dick in it, the other will be by 2 scores.

                        2019 semis: margin 3 and 12
                        2015: 2 and 14
                        2011: 1 and 14
                        2007: 5 and 24
                        2003: 12 and 17

                        That pattern pretty much repeats right back to '87 (although the '87 not bee's s dick was a blowout).

                        i got jack of googling at 2003

                        Top of my head:

                        1999 6 points in extra time and 12 (seemed so much more) in the match that didn't happen)
                        1995 mud bath and Jonah
                        1991 Hastings and Dublin
                        1987 Blanco and 49-6

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                        • voodooV voodoo

                          Is Pearce also a chance for the final if England isn't there? Or are we sure it's Barnes

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                          @voodoo said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                          Is Pearce also a chance for the final if England isn't there? Or are we sure it's Barnes

                          You'd hope so. Pearce is better than Barnes IMO.

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                          • antipodeanA antipodean

                            @voodoo said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                            Is Pearce also a chance for the final if England isn't there? Or are we sure it's Barnes

                            You'd hope so. Pearce is better than Barnes IMO.

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                            @antipodean said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                            @voodoo said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                            Is Pearce also a chance for the final if England isn't there? Or are we sure it's Barnes

                            You'd hope so. Pearce is better than Barnes IMO.

                            No chance on both counts for me.

                            If England aren't in the final, Barnes will rightly get the honour of being the man in the middle, in what will be his last game before he retires.

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                              https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rugby-world-cup-2023/2023/10/rugby-world-cup-kiwi-referee-ben-o-keeffe-responds-to-criticism-from-french-captain-antoine-dupont-after-quarter-final-criticism.html

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                              • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                                Up early on my way to the ski show in Birmingham

                                Still can’t believe yesterday’s action

                                Huge from NZ to beat Ireland, especially with 14 men for 60 mins

                                Ireland have had a tremendous Plan A for 17 matches straight but when it wasn’t good enough they had no Plan B

                                And our mob

                                I’m really disappointed

                                Argentina never gave up fair play, but we gift wrapped them that victory complete with a pretty bow at the end

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                                @MiketheSnow said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                Up early on my way to the ski show in Birmingham

                                Still can’t believe yesterday’s action

                                Huge from NZ to beat Ireland, especially with 14 men for 60 mins

                                Ireland have had a tremendous Plan A for 17 matches straight but when it wasn’t good enough they had no Plan B

                                And our mob

                                I’m really disappointed

                                Argentina never gave up fair play, but we gift wrapped them that victory complete with a pretty bow at the end

                                Brutal Mike. Feel for you boyos.

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                                • DodgeD Dodge

                                  @MajorRage said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                  I'm genuinely surprised that it seems a few people think England have a hope against SA.

                                  They 100% genuinely, really, don't. Not a sliver.

                                  This. I can’t understand people rating our forwards with a hope in hell against the Boks. We’re not good enough outside of the pack to live on parity, let alone on the amount of shit back foot, going backwards ball we’ll have to live on. God forbid anyone knocks a ball on, our scrum is going to be marmalised

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                                  @Dodge said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                  @MajorRage said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                  I'm genuinely surprised that it seems a few people think England have a hope against SA.

                                  They 100% genuinely, really, don't. Not a sliver.

                                  This. I can’t understand people rating our forwards with a hope in hell against the Boks. We’re not good enough outside of the pack to live on parity, let alone on the amount of shit back foot, going backwards ball we’ll have to live on. God forbid anyone knocks a ball on, our scrum is going to be marmalised

                                  It’s a RWC semi final. Pressure is a great equalizer. And there is plenty of quality in your squad. Let’s hope your staff keep failing to select it.

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                                  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                                    @GibbonRib said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                    @booboo said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                    @canefan said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                    @taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                    @Bones I also think that the ARs need to do a better job of assisting, whle the TMO needs to have thier remit amended.

                                    Assistant refs have been shithouse for as long as I can recall, I still have memories of Stuart Dickerson dragging play miles back for some minor or imagined foul play that allowed him the limelight for a few minutes more. I can't remember how it was back in the days they were called touch judges. But I seem to recall that at least offsides and forward passes were picked up

                                    Touchies used to just work out where the lineouts were and who's throw it was, and judge kicks at goal. Until sometime in the 80s when their roles expanded.

                                    I remember in school my mate explaining that if the ref was on the other side of the scrum you could just punch the opposing prop because the touchy wouldn't do anything about it.

                                    Not sure if that was true, I played for the second team, which was a lot more casual.

                                    100% true....the real smart one would get the locks to do and then even harder to see who threw it....simpler times

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                                    @Kiwiwomble said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                    @GibbonRib said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                    @booboo said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                    @canefan said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                    @taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                    @Bones I also think that the ARs need to do a better job of assisting, whle the TMO needs to have thier remit amended.

                                    Assistant refs have been shithouse for as long as I can recall, I still have memories of Stuart Dickerson dragging play miles back for some minor or imagined foul play that allowed him the limelight for a few minutes more. I can't remember how it was back in the days they were called touch judges. But I seem to recall that at least offsides and forward passes were picked up

                                    Touchies used to just work out where the lineouts were and who's throw it was, and judge kicks at goal. Until sometime in the 80s when their roles expanded.

                                    I remember in school my mate explaining that if the ref was on the other side of the scrum you could just punch the opposing prop because the touchy wouldn't do anything about it.

                                    Not sure if that was true, I played for the second team, which was a lot more casual.

                                    100% true....the real smart one would get the locks to do and then even harder to see who threw it....simpler times

                                    The far side of the scrum is like the dark side of the moon to refs - even at international level, it seems.

                                    It’s baffling really. I mean I get some retired prop or schoolmaster missing/ignoring the odd punch to help a battling tighthead. I simply can’t understand how pisstake artists like Porter or the French Props on the weekend get away with it match after match. It’s plain as day from the touchline nevermind if you’re standing right fucking there.

                                    Only silver lining is that it’s a pretty good comedic timing to finally start penalizing the Irish scrums in an RWC QF so they have to wait four more years to sort it out. While the worst part of their fans moan about how unfairly their Herculean props were treated at the scrum.

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                                    • sparkyS sparky

                                      Welcome to the latest edition of Sonja Investigates.

                                      Are World Rugby rigging the World Cup for the Southern Hemisphere by having a referee from Australia and a referee from New Zealand officiate the Semi Finals? Good thing we have Sonja McLaughlan and her super sleuthing skills on the case.

                                      https://twitter.com/sonjamclaughlan/status/1714227098481471831

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                                      @sparky said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                      Welcome to the latest edition of Sonja Investigates.

                                      Are World Rugby rigging the World Cup for the Southern Hemisphere by having a referee from Australia and a referee from New Zealand officiate the Semi Finals? Good thing we have Sonja McLaughlan and her super sleuthing skills on the case.

                                      https://twitter.com/sonjamclaughlan/status/1714227098481471831

                                      Not buying the conspiracy nonsense but do feel both the Georgian and Pearce should have had knockout gigs

                                      Both way better than Gardner

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                                      • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                                        @sparky said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:

                                        Welcome to the latest edition of Sonja Investigates.

                                        Are World Rugby rigging the World Cup for the Southern Hemisphere by having a referee from Australia and a referee from New Zealand officiate the Semi Finals? Good thing we have Sonja McLaughlan and her super sleuthing skills on the case.

                                        https://twitter.com/sonjamclaughlan/status/1714227098481471831

                                        Not buying the conspiracy nonsense but do feel both the Georgian and Pearce should have had knockout gigs

                                        Both way better than Gardner

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                                        @MiketheSnow I bet she's best mates with Katie Hopkins

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                                        • BonesB Bones

                                          @MiketheSnow I bet she's best mates with Katie Hopkins

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                                          @Bones I'll let you know.

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