RWC SF: England v Springboks
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@pakman said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Nepo
Gets better at scrums every game he's not selected (which is because he still gives away at least as many turnovers and penalties probably). Myth
Check out last 15 of Boks Mt Smart. Contrast last 15 of Newell at Twickenham.
Wait - is that what you're using to measure? A game where the Springboks were trounced, Vs a festival match where the ABs were just trying not to get injured?
I'd prefer stats. If Laulala is such a good scrummager, there'll be evidence to support it right? Rather than something showing he gets penalised just as much as any half decent prop.
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Nepo
Gets better at scrums every game he's not selected (which is because he still gives away at least as many turnovers and penalties probably). Myth
Check out last 15 of Boks Mt Smart. Contrast last 15 of Newell at Twickenham.
Wait - is that what you're using to measure? A game where the Springboks were trounced, Vs a festival match where the ABs were just trying not to get injured?
I'd prefer stats. If Laulala is such a good scrummager, there'll be evidence to support it right? Rather than something showing he gets penalised just as much as any half decent prop.
They used the young props against Ireland. Suggests they will get the run against Boks and that at training they have scrummed well. Both offer a lot defensively.
Interesting who they choose as 2nd hooker. Wonder who scrums better Samisoni or Dane? Dane is better at lineout time I would think..
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Needs investigating and a ban if true. Ditto a false allegation. Some things shouldn't be left on the park
England flanker Tom Curry alleged to referee Ben O’Keeffe that South Africa hooker Bongi Mbonambi called him a “white c---” during the Springboks’ World Cup semi-final victory.
The incident occurred just before the half-hour mark with England leading 9-3 as Curry approached O’Keeffe, the New Zealand official.
On the referee’s microphone, Curry can be clearly heard asking, “Sir, Sir, if their hooker calls me a white c--- what do I do?”
O’Keeffe replies: “Nothing please.” He then adds “I will be on it” although it is not clear if this in reference to Curry’s complaint, but he takes no action against Mbonambi. There is no audible evidence of Mbonambi’s alleged abuse.
After the final whistle, Mbonambi refused to shake Curry’s hand.
Following the game the Sale Sharks openside was asked if Mbonambi said something he should not have, he replied, “yeah” but would not confirm the exact details. “It does not need to be talked about.”
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Needs investigating and a ban if true. Ditto a false allegation. Some things shouldn't be left on the park
England flanker Tom Curry alleged to referee Ben O’Keeffe that South Africa hooker Bongi Mbonambi called him a “white c---” during the Springboks’ World Cup semi-final victory.
The incident occurred just before the half-hour mark with England leading 9-3 as Curry approached O’Keeffe, the New Zealand official.
On the referee’s microphone, Curry can be clearly heard asking, “Sir, Sir, if their hooker calls me a white c--- what do I do?”
O’Keeffe replies: “Nothing please.” He then adds “I will be on it” although it is not clear if this in reference to Curry’s complaint, but he takes no action against Mbonambi. There is no audible evidence of Mbonambi’s alleged abuse.
After the final whistle, Mbonambi refused to shake Curry’s hand.
Following the game the Sale Sharks openside was asked if Mbonambi said something he should not have, he replied, “yeah” but would not confirm the exact details. “It does not need to be talked about.”
@Victor-Meldrew yep. Just saw this. Needs investigating and accuser (if not true) or offender (if true) needs banning.
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If he said it, I wonder how Mbonambi’s white teammates feel about that. Is all good in the Rainbow nation’s squad?
When ppl are put under their pressure, we see their true faces. The fact that Mbonambi and Curry didn’t shake hands at the end speaks volumes.
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Needs investigating and a ban if true. Ditto a false allegation. Some things shouldn't be left on the park
England flanker Tom Curry alleged to referee Ben O’Keeffe that South Africa hooker Bongi Mbonambi called him a “white c---” during the Springboks’ World Cup semi-final victory.
The incident occurred just before the half-hour mark with England leading 9-3 as Curry approached O’Keeffe, the New Zealand official.
On the referee’s microphone, Curry can be clearly heard asking, “Sir, Sir, if their hooker calls me a white c--- what do I do?”
O’Keeffe replies: “Nothing please.” He then adds “I will be on it” although it is not clear if this in reference to Curry’s complaint, but he takes no action against Mbonambi. There is no audible evidence of Mbonambi’s alleged abuse.
After the final whistle, Mbonambi refused to shake Curry’s hand.
Following the game the Sale Sharks openside was asked if Mbonambi said something he should not have, he replied, “yeah” but would not confirm the exact details. “It does not need to be talked about.”
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If he said it, I wonder how Mbonambi’s white teammates feel about that. Is all good in the Rainbow nation’s squad?
When ppl are put under their pressure, we see their true faces. The fact that Mbonambi and Curry didn’t shake hands at the end speaks volumes.
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@stodders said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Wonder how Mbonambi’s white teammates feel about that. Or is all good in the Rainbow nation’s squad?
Fucking hell, are we straight to guilty as charged?
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This result was the worst possible outcome. Obviously a win would have been the best, but this narrow loss will likely vindicate Borthwick idea of non-rugby and we'll be on this same fucking journey for another couple of years.
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This result was the worst possible outcome. Obviously a win would have been the best, but this narrow loss will likely vindicate Borthwick idea of non-rugby and we'll be on this same fucking journey for another couple of years.
@Catogrande said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Obviously a wine would have been the best
You still have time to see.
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@Catogrande said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Obviously a wine would have been the best
You still have time to see.
@Bones Ironic as by the time the match started I had consumed a fair bit.
Explains things I guess.
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@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Nepo
Gets better at scrums every game he's not selected (which is because he still gives away at least as many turnovers and penalties probably). Myth
Check out last 15 of Boks Mt Smart. Contrast last 15 of Newell at Twickenham.
Wait - is that what you're using to measure? A game where the Springboks were trounced, Vs a festival match where the ABs were just trying not to get injured?
I'd prefer stats. If Laulala is such a good scrummager, there'll be evidence to support it right? Rather than something showing he gets penalised just as much as any half decent prop.
They used the young props against Ireland. Suggests they will get the run against Boks and that at training they have scrummed well. Both offer a lot defensively.
Interesting who they choose as 2nd hooker. Wonder who scrums better Samisoni or Dane? Dane is better at lineout time I would think..
@kev said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Nepo
Gets better at scrums every game he's not selected (which is because he still gives away at least as many turnovers and penalties probably). Myth
Check out last 15 of Boks Mt Smart. Contrast last 15 of Newell at Twickenham.
Wait - is that what you're using to measure? A game where the Springboks were trounced, Vs a festival match where the ABs were just trying not to get injured?
I'd prefer stats. If Laulala is such a good scrummager, there'll be evidence to support it right? Rather than something showing he gets penalised just as much as any half decent prop.
They used the young props against Ireland. Suggests they will get the run against Boks and that at training they have scrummed well. Both offer a lot defensively.
Interesting who they choose as 2nd hooker. Wonder who scrums better Samisoni or Dane? Dane is better at lineout time I would think..
If we’ve learned nothing else from the last two Bok games it’s that Nché is a game changing match winner off the bench.
So would I rather for last 25 have grizzled chunk who’s rates by NZ LH as the next TH in NZ or the young pup, who’s got a massively higher ceiling but has very little experience against overseas LHs, who pull a few stunts which are largely unknown in NZ?
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@Victor-Meldrew guy dressed in white asks ref weird leading question without evidence, player who is supposed to have said it, acts as though he's been wronged.
Smells fishy.
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Victor-Meldrew guy dressed in white asks ref weird leading question without evidence, player who is supposed to have said it, asks as though he's been wronged.
Smells fishy.
Agree. Either it's true or it's baiting. Both possibilities need looking at
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@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Victor-Meldrew guy dressed in white asks ref weird leading question without evidence, player who is supposed to have said it, asks as though he's been wronged.
Smells fishy.
Agree. Either it's true or it's baiting. Both possibilities need looking at
@Victor-Meldrew it is out now. It has to be investigated. If Curry made it up, he needs to be banned for sullying Mbonambi’s reputation.
World rugby can’t do nothing.
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I know he gets a lot of stick, but credit to Owen for his post match speech. He must've been terribly disappointed but his comments do him credit.
Compare and contrast with DuPont.
@antipodean he had a whinge about them getting cards though, which was a bit on the nose.
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@Victor-Meldrew it is out now. It has to be investigated. If Curry made it up, he needs to be banned for sullying Mbonambi’s reputation.
World rugby can’t do nothing.
@stodders said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Victor-Meldrew it is out now. It has to be investigated. If Curry made it up, he needs to be banned for sullying Mbonambi’s reputation.
World rugby can’t do nothing.
From what's been described here, Mbonambi acted pretty similar to how I think I would act if falsely accused of racism.
