Olympics Thread
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<p>Kenya paying $8 to beat the NZ 7s, $1.85 for 15.5pt start.</p>
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<p>NZ 14-5 Kenya</p>
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Is Fiji a big spending team?</p></blockquote>
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No, but 7s is much more a focus than 15s there.<br><br>
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<p>NZ up 19-5</p>
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<p>Good to see NZ 7s are back.</p>
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<p>good to see you back too!</p>
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<p>We missed you and Mister G!</p> -
<p>I was in Fiji recently and a rugby mad guy I talked to said that Ben Ryan has been the major game changer for them. He's overhauled everything around the team from trainings to diet, the professionalism he's brought is there for all to see in the results</p>
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<p>The problem with NZ losing to Japan is that even with a win over GB, and winning the group on PD, we could still end up with a tough QF and facing one of Fiji or SA early in the knock-out stages. Our best chances of going far was to avoid SA or Fiji until a final (assuming this team advances to the final).</p>
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<p>Webber is made of glass. I always knew his selection would be a risk. As Messam can't be used NZ only has a squad of 11 to use tomorrow.</p> -
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<p>Webber is made of glass. I always knew his selection would be a risk. <strong>As Messam can't be used NZ only has a squad of 11 to use tomorrow.</strong></p>
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<p>Why is that?</p> -
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good to see you back too!<br><br>
We missed you and Mister G!</p></blockquote>Didn't want to miss the occasion. Tournaments are not won in the first game, but at playoffs. Long way to go still. -
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<p>I'm relying on Quinn here so take that with a grain of salt but I assume there is a limit on how many replacements can be made. Both Stanaway and SBW have been replaced from the original squad.</p>
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<p>after the Japanese loss, Tew was saying he wasn't sure if they could replace both SBW and Webber, sounded like they thought we might only be able to replace 1 person</p> -
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<p>The problem with NZ losing to Japan is that even with a win over GB, and winning the group on PD, we could still end up with a tough QF and facing one of Fiji or SA early in the knock-out stages. Our best chances of going far was to avoid SA or Fiji until a final (assuming this team advances to the final).</p>
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<p>If medalling is the main concern then it's not ideal, but if it's gold or bust it's probably better. We have a better shot playing the better teams over the standard 7 minute halves rather than the final. The longer the game the more likely talent wins out.</p>
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<p>Honestly we are likely better off a man down than with Messam playing significant minutes - we need a cool head under pressure out there and he is not that.</p> -
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The stubbornness around not selecting guys like Barrett and Smith who wanted to player Super Rugby was the clincher for me. We should have made it to the semis without dropping a set if we had focused on getting the best result at Rio rather than whatever Titch decided on this year.<br><br>
Hansen has never seemed terribly cheery about the 7s set up when asked about it over the past year - I suspect if we bow out on the pool stage there will be a lot of stuff leaking out about how this campaign was lock - seems like plenty going on behind the scenes and not a lot of it positive.</p></blockquote>
Really?<br><br>
Do you honestly think Barrett coukd have come off the Super Final and 3 days later been in Rio to play 7s?<br><br>
Or even Ben Smith with a whole 10 days recovery from flying round the world twice.<br><br>
It was a one or other scenario. They chose 15s despite protestations that they were available for 7s.<br><br>
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<p>The stubbornness around not selecting guys like Barrett and Smith who wanted to player Super Rugby was the clincher for me. We should have made it to the semis without dropping a set if we had focused on getting the best result at Rio rather than whatever Titch decided on this year.</p>
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<p>Hansen has never seemed terribly cheery about the 7s set up when asked about it over the past year - I suspect if we bow out on the pool stage there will be a lot of stuff leaking out about how this campaign was lock - seems like plenty going on behind the scenes and not a lot of it positive.</p>
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<p>Imagine if we picked Barrett and Smith and lost? Many of the same people having a go now would say we were disrespecting the Olympics by thinking players can just turn up without conditioning and win gold. As it turns out, Barrett would have to pull out with a couple of days notice as he was just winning the Super Rugby title. You can't have that for a major play maker.</p>
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<p>There was a comment before about how people thought it was an automatic gold. The administrators have never thought that. I just watched the USA play. Carlin Isles could come to New Zealand get citizenship and represent New Zealand at the Olympic Games 100m. We just don't have players that can do that. The 25th fastest sprinter in the USA isn't going to the Olympics in sprinting but he is faster than anyone we have got and can happily go in 7's. We will always be a good 7's team but now the sport has matured.<br>
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