RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@Winger yep the decision not to red card Kolisi was totally inconsistent. Ardie didn’t dip and yet Kolisi got him flush on the face, with Ardie reeling back from the contact. The fact that Kolisi bent over slightly actually meant he led with his head into the contact. Incredibly dangerous.
We all know that rugby has become boring card lottery and that the mugs that run the game from Europe are incompetent. This is at every level not just WC finals.
@kev said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Winger yep the decision not to red card Kolisi was totally inconsistent. Ardie didn’t dip and yet Kolisi got him flush on the face, with Ardie reeling back from the contact. The fact that Kolisi bent over slightly actually meant he led with his head into the contact. Incredibly dangerous.
We all know that rugby has become boring card lottery and that the mugs that run the game from Europe are incompetent. This is at every level not just WC finals.
I'm surprised Ardie wasn't carded for falling over.
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@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all
But he'd all but sealed the fate of the match well before that. The Frizzell yellow was worse than Kolisi not getting a red. Not to mention the bizarre rulings around the ruck
@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all
But he'd all but sealed the fate of the match well before that. The Frizzell yellow was worse than Kolisi not getting a red. Not to mention the bizarre rulings around the ruck
Oh this is such loser mentality.
The Boks were up by less than a converted try through most of the half. The last 15 they were up by a point.
The ABs had a mountain of ball and plenty of it in the Boks 22. But thanks to good Bok defence and a few crucial errors under pressure the All Blacks couldn't score. That's rugby and that's why they were the better team on the day... just.
But apparently the match was sealed thanks to a few decisions in the first 50. Not sure why the All Blacks even bothered to play.
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@nzzp Karma really IS a bitch isn't it?
Acting the dickhead to opposition supporters and players after the final whistle just sets you up for payback. Idiot.@bluedex said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp Karma really IS a bitch isn't it?
Acting the dickhead to opposition supporters and players after the final whistle just sets you up for payback. Idiot.True. Sexton, O'Mahony and the Irish crowd found that out the hard way.
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@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all
But he'd all but sealed the fate of the match well before that. The Frizzell yellow was worse than Kolisi not getting a red. Not to mention the bizarre rulings around the ruck
Oh this is such loser mentality.
The Boks were up by less than a converted try through most of the half. The last 15 they were up by a point.
The ABs had a mountain of ball and plenty of it in the Boks 22. But thanks to good Bok defence and a few crucial errors under pressure the All Blacks couldn't score. That's rugby and that's why they were the better team on the day... just.
But apparently the match was sealed thanks to a few decisions in the first 50. Not sure why the All Blacks even bothered to play.
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all
But he'd all but sealed the fate of the match well before that. The Frizzell yellow was worse than Kolisi not getting a red. Not to mention the bizarre rulings around the ruck
Oh this is such loser mentality.
The Boks were up by less than a converted try through most of the half. The last 15 they were up by a point.
The ABs had a mountain of ball and plenty of it in the Boks 22. But thanks to good Bok defence and a few crucial errors under pressure the All Blacks couldn't score. That's rugby and that's why they were the better team on the day... just.
But apparently the match was sealed thanks to a few decisions in the first 50. Not sure why the All Blacks even bothered to play.
The officiating probably served to prevent ABs from scoring 7 to 10 points more, and directly contributed to 3 of Boks points.
Sometimes the better team loses. That's sport. But ABs did more than enough to win that one and only denied their just desserts by officials, in particular TMO.
Look forward to next time Boks play best team in the southern hemisphere.
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@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all
But he'd all but sealed the fate of the match well before that. The Frizzell yellow was worse than Kolisi not getting a red. Not to mention the bizarre rulings around the ruck
Oh this is such loser mentality.
The Boks were up by less than a converted try through most of the half. The last 15 they were up by a point.
The ABs had a mountain of ball and plenty of it in the Boks 22. But thanks to good Bok defence and a few crucial errors under pressure the All Blacks couldn't score. That's rugby and that's why they were the better team on the day... just.
But apparently the match was sealed thanks to a few decisions in the first 50. Not sure why the All Blacks even bothered to play.
The officiating probably served to prevent ABs from scoring 7 to 10 points more, and directly contributed to 3 of Boks points.
Sometimes the better team loses. That's sport. But ABs did more than enough to win that one and only denied their just desserts by officials, in particular TMO.
Look forward to next time Boks play best team in the southern hemisphere.
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Sometimes the better team loses. That's sport. But ABs did more than enough to win that one and only denied their just desserts by officials, in particular TMO.
You can believe this all you want. Hey whatever makes you sleep at night.
But from where I sat the better team won, and the scoreboard reflected that pretty nicely, as it generally does.
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@bluedex said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp Karma really IS a bitch isn't it?
Acting the dickhead to opposition supporters and players after the final whistle just sets you up for payback. Idiot.True. Sexton, O'Mahony and the Irish crowd found that out the hard way.
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@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Sometimes the better team loses. That's sport. But ABs did more than enough to win that one and only denied their just desserts by officials, in particular TMO.
You can believe this all you want. Hey whatever makes you sleep at night.
But from where I sat the better team won, and the scoreboard reflected that pretty nicely, as it generally does.
@barbarian Each to their own.
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@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all
But he'd all but sealed the fate of the match well before that. The Frizzell yellow was worse than Kolisi not getting a red. Not to mention the bizarre rulings around the ruck
Oh this is such loser mentality.
The Boks were up by less than a converted try through most of the half. The last 15 they were up by a point.
The ABs had a mountain of ball and plenty of it in the Boks 22. But thanks to good Bok defence and a few crucial errors under pressure the All Blacks couldn't score. That's rugby and that's why they were the better team on the day... just.
But apparently the match was sealed thanks to a few decisions in the first 50. Not sure why the All Blacks even bothered to play.
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all
But he'd all but sealed the fate of the match well before that. The Frizzell yellow was worse than Kolisi not getting a red. Not to mention the bizarre rulings around the ruck
Oh this is such loser mentality.
The Boks were up by less than a converted try through most of the half. The last 15 they were up by a point.
The ABs had a mountain of ball and plenty of it in the Boks 22. But thanks to good Bok defence and a few crucial errors under pressure the All Blacks couldn't score. That's rugby and that's why they were the better team on the day... just.
But apparently the match was sealed thanks to a few decisions in the first 50. Not sure why the All Blacks even bothered to play.
The All Blacks did score.
Kind of weird to say a dodgy yellow and early red didn't impact the match. Or just a bad attempt at trolling
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@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Sometimes the better team loses. That's sport. But ABs did more than enough to win that one and only denied their just desserts by officials, in particular TMO.
You can believe this all you want. Hey whatever makes you sleep at night.
But from where I sat the better team won, and the scoreboard reflected that pretty nicely, as it generally does.
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Sometimes the better team loses. That's sport. But ABs did more than enough to win that one and only denied their just desserts by officials, in particular TMO.
You can believe this all you want. Hey whatever makes you sleep at night.
But from where I sat the better team won, and the scoreboard reflected that pretty nicely, as it generally does.
Yep, as suspected. Just poor trolling
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@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all
But he'd all but sealed the fate of the match well before that. The Frizzell yellow was worse than Kolisi not getting a red. Not to mention the bizarre rulings around the ruck
Oh this is such loser mentality.
The Boks were up by less than a converted try through most of the half. The last 15 they were up by a point.
The ABs had a mountain of ball and plenty of it in the Boks 22. But thanks to good Bok defence and a few crucial errors under pressure the All Blacks couldn't score. That's rugby and that's why they were the better team on the day... just.
But apparently the match was sealed thanks to a few decisions in the first 50. Not sure why the All Blacks even bothered to play.
The All Blacks did score.
Kind of weird to say a dodgy yellow and early red didn't impact the match. Or just a bad attempt at trolling
@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all
But he'd all but sealed the fate of the match well before that. The Frizzell yellow was worse than Kolisi not getting a red. Not to mention the bizarre rulings around the ruck
Oh this is such loser mentality.
The Boks were up by less than a converted try through most of the half. The last 15 they were up by a point.
The ABs had a mountain of ball and plenty of it in the Boks 22. But thanks to good Bok defence and a few crucial errors under pressure the All Blacks couldn't score. That's rugby and that's why they were the better team on the day... just.
But apparently the match was sealed thanks to a few decisions in the first 50. Not sure why the All Blacks even bothered to play.
The All Blacks did score.
Kind of weird to say a dodgy yellow and early red didn't impact the match. Or just a bad attempt at trolling
Of course it impacted the match, but that's not what you said. You said it 'all but sealed the fate of the game'.
It didn't. The All Blacks had plenty of scoring chances, and as you point out they took one. Game was still plenty alive and if Mo'unga converts then they might well have won.
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@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Sometimes the better team loses. That's sport. But ABs did more than enough to win that one and only denied their just desserts by officials, in particular TMO.
You can believe this all you want. Hey whatever makes you sleep at night.
But from where I sat the better team won, and the scoreboard reflected that pretty nicely, as it generally does.
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Sometimes the better team loses. That's sport. But ABs did more than enough to win that one and only denied their just desserts by officials, in particular TMO.
You can believe this all you want. Hey whatever makes you sleep at night.
But from where I sat the better team won, and the scoreboard reflected that pretty nicely, as it generally does.
I'm conflicted. The ABs should have been more clinical in the 2nd half and goal kicking obviously cost us, so in that sense we didn't deserve the win.
Having said that, how the hell did SA not put away a team that was down to 14 for 65 minutes of the game? They should never have allowed us to be so close. If Jordie had kicked that final penalty and the ABs had gone on to win that game, that would go down as a massive choke by SA. But they won, so the narrative changes and they are now being hailed as the most clutch team of all time. Fine margins.
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@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Sometimes the better team loses. That's sport. But ABs did more than enough to win that one and only denied their just desserts by officials, in particular TMO.
You can believe this all you want. Hey whatever makes you sleep at night.
But from where I sat the better team won, and the scoreboard reflected that pretty nicely, as it generally does.
I'm conflicted. The ABs should have been more clinical in the 2nd half and goal kicking obviously cost us, so in that sense we didn't deserve the win.
Having said that, how the hell did SA not put away a team that was down to 14 for 65 minutes of the game? They should never have allowed us to be so close. If Jordie had kicked that final penalty and the ABs had gone on to win that game, that would go down as a massive choke by SA. But they won, so the narrative changes and they are now being hailed as the most clutch team of all time. Fine margins.
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Sometimes the better team loses. That's sport. But ABs did more than enough to win that one and only denied their just desserts by officials, in particular TMO.
You can believe this all you want. Hey whatever makes you sleep at night.
But from where I sat the better team won, and the scoreboard reflected that pretty nicely, as it generally does.
I'm conflicted. The ABs should have been more clinical in the 2nd half and goal kicking obviously cost us, so in that sense we didn't deserve the win.
Having said that, how the hell did SA not put away a team that was down to 14 for 65 minutes of the game? They should never have allowed us to be so close. If Jordie had kicked that final penalty and the ABs had gone on to win that game, that would go down as a massive choke by SA. But they won, so the narrative changes and now are being hailed as the most clutch team of all time. Fine margins.
Yeah this. If we'd failed to beat a team that were a player down (and their captain) for most of the game then the players would have been rightly crucified.
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@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all
But he'd all but sealed the fate of the match well before that. The Frizzell yellow was worse than Kolisi not getting a red. Not to mention the bizarre rulings around the ruck
Oh this is such loser mentality.
The Boks were up by less than a converted try through most of the half. The last 15 they were up by a point.
The ABs had a mountain of ball and plenty of it in the Boks 22. But thanks to good Bok defence and a few crucial errors under pressure the All Blacks couldn't score. That's rugby and that's why they were the better team on the day... just.
But apparently the match was sealed thanks to a few decisions in the first 50. Not sure why the All Blacks even bothered to play.
The All Blacks did score.
Kind of weird to say a dodgy yellow and early red didn't impact the match. Or just a bad attempt at trolling
Of course it impacted the match, but that's not what you said. You said it 'all but sealed the fate of the game'.
It didn't. The All Blacks had plenty of scoring chances, and as you point out they took one. Game was still plenty alive and if Mo'unga converts then they might well have won.
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all
But he'd all but sealed the fate of the match well before that. The Frizzell yellow was worse than Kolisi not getting a red. Not to mention the bizarre rulings around the ruck
Oh this is such loser mentality.
The Boks were up by less than a converted try through most of the half. The last 15 they were up by a point.
The ABs had a mountain of ball and plenty of it in the Boks 22. But thanks to good Bok defence and a few crucial errors under pressure the All Blacks couldn't score. That's rugby and that's why they were the better team on the day... just.
But apparently the match was sealed thanks to a few decisions in the first 50. Not sure why the All Blacks even bothered to play.
The All Blacks did score.
Kind of weird to say a dodgy yellow and early red didn't impact the match. Or just a bad attempt at trolling
Of course it impacted the match, but that's not what you said. You said it 'all but sealed the fate of the game'.
It didn't. The All Blacks had plenty of scoring chances, and as you point out they took one. Game was still plenty alive and if Mo'unga converts then they might well have won.
Sorry, but it did. That we still had a chance was amazing. But in the end, it determined the outcome. Mind boggling this is even a discussion point
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@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Sometimes the better team loses. That's sport. But ABs did more than enough to win that one and only denied their just desserts by officials, in particular TMO.
You can believe this all you want. Hey whatever makes you sleep at night.
But from where I sat the better team won, and the scoreboard reflected that pretty nicely, as it generally does.
I'm conflicted. The ABs should have been more clinical in the 2nd half and goal kicking obviously cost us, so in that sense we didn't deserve the win.
Having said that, how the hell did SA not put away a team that was down to 14 for 65 minutes of the game? They should never have allowed us to be so close. If Jordie had kicked that final penalty and the ABs had gone on to win that game, that would go down as a massive choke by SA. But they won, so the narrative changes and they are now being hailed as the most clutch team of all time. Fine margins.
@akan004 Can't disagree. And within those fine margins lies the madness and the beauty of the whole thing.
I thought Siya Kolisi bombed a pretty certain try at the start of the second half, then got himself yellow carded soonafter. But instead of a pariah, he's a conquering hero.
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Apologies for the admittedly blatant trolling. I should remember not to lower my standards to the dickheads that I'm annoyed about.
Tough luck in the final. It was a coin toss. Just like the QF and all of the SA games. I wanted the NZ style of rugby to triumph but puke rugby wins trophies now unfortunately.
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Question - do we know who the foul play adjudicators that Foley referred to were? World Rugby appointed them, and I don't believe named them. Are they referees like Jonker and O'Keeffe, or are they outside that echelon? I thought the Kolisi decision was a bit odd, and wondered who made it - as apparently not Tom Foley.
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@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all
But he'd all but sealed the fate of the match well before that. The Frizzell yellow was worse than Kolisi not getting a red. Not to mention the bizarre rulings around the ruck
Oh this is such loser mentality.
The Boks were up by less than a converted try through most of the half. The last 15 they were up by a point.
The ABs had a mountain of ball and plenty of it in the Boks 22. But thanks to good Bok defence and a few crucial errors under pressure the All Blacks couldn't score. That's rugby and that's why they were the better team on the day... just.
But apparently the match was sealed thanks to a few decisions in the first 50. Not sure why the All Blacks even bothered to play.
The All Blacks did score.
Kind of weird to say a dodgy yellow and early red didn't impact the match. Or just a bad attempt at trolling
Of course it impacted the match, but that's not what you said. You said it 'all but sealed the fate of the game'.
It didn't. The All Blacks had plenty of scoring chances, and as you point out they took one. Game was still plenty alive and if Mo'unga converts then they might well have won.
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Richie8-7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all
But he'd all but sealed the fate of the match well before that. The Frizzell yellow was worse than Kolisi not getting a red. Not to mention the bizarre rulings around the ruck
Oh this is such loser mentality.
The Boks were up by less than a converted try through most of the half. The last 15 they were up by a point.
The ABs had a mountain of ball and plenty of it in the Boks 22. But thanks to good Bok defence and a few crucial errors under pressure the All Blacks couldn't score. That's rugby and that's why they were the better team on the day... just.
But apparently the match was sealed thanks to a few decisions in the first 50. Not sure why the All Blacks even bothered to play.
The All Blacks did score.
Kind of weird to say a dodgy yellow and early red didn't impact the match. Or just a bad attempt at trolling
Of course it impacted the match, but that's not what you said. You said it 'all but sealed the fate of the game'.
It didn't. The All Blacks had plenty of scoring chances, and as you point out they took one. Game was still plenty alive and if Mo'unga converts then they might well have won.
I take issue with the “plenty”. We certainly had opportunities but they weren’t a plenty and that’s because the game was largely played in a defensive way by both sides. I have absolutely no problem with how we approached the game. It had served us well in the last two weeks where our defence had been huge. And it was huge once again in the final.
We missed two kicks. There was probably two other real opportunities. We built some phase play and then we either turned the ball over or kicked. The stats on kicks from hand showed that the Boks really only built phase play from set piece but they didn’t show much variation in general play because of both tactics and the AB defence. The contrast is that in both the QF vs France and even the semi against England they tried to build phase play.
