Black Caps - Bangladesh tour
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My 11 for next test. I still go with 4 seamers at home.
Latham
Ravindra
Williamson
Conway
Mitchell
Phillips
Blunders
Jamieson
Henry
Southee
O'RourkeAlthough it is 2 or 3 months away, so have to see how O'Rourke goes in his white ball opportunities.
Absolutely must, for me, that we move on from Wagner now, but have doubts that Sam Wells, as an age and Otago Volts contemporary of Wagner, may be too close. (Let alone the obvious player power on selections by the senior players)
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@MN5 Relatively great?
Is this the Sam Wells that we now have as a selector?
"Sam Wells' call-up to the New Zealand Test squad in 2012 was such a surprise that initially even his girlfriend didn't believe him. An allrounder who cemented his place in the Otago side in the 2009-10 season, Wells himself thought it would take longer for him to be elevated to the Test level. A left-hand batsman and right-arm medium-pacer, he averaged almost 60 with the bat in that breakthrough season and collected 21 wickets as well. He described his role in the team as someone who "bats around seven or eight and bowls 12-15 overs a day". He is something of a first-class specialist, and has struggled to get a sustained run in Otago's limited-overs sides."
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
have doubts that Sam Wells, as an age and Otago Volts contemporary of Wagner, may be too close. (Let alone the obvious player power on selections by the senior players)
It does look like the black Caps team is "jobs for the boys".
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@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 Relatively great?
Is this the Sam Wells that we now have as a selector?
"Sam Wells' call-up to the New Zealand Test squad in 2012 was such a surprise that initially even his girlfriend didn't believe him. An allrounder who cemented his place in the Otago side in the 2009-10 season, Wells himself thought it would take longer for him to be elevated to the Test level. A left-hand batsman and right-arm medium-pacer, he averaged almost 60 with the bat in that breakthrough season and collected 21 wickets as well. He described his role in the team as someone who "bats around seven or eight and bowls 12-15 overs a day". He is something of a first-class specialist, and has struggled to get a sustained run in Otago's limited-overs sides."
Well yeah, certainly great compared to others of their era.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Well yeah, certainly great compared to others of their era.
More floating turds, than cream rising to the top then? Might have taken that analagy a bit far...
They certainly had their days of being great. Comparing eras is folly as we all know anyway. At least the last test will have dragged some averages down, it wasn't exactly one of the modern batters' paradises.
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@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Well yeah, certainly great compared to others of their era.
More floating turds, than cream rising to the top then? Might have taken that analagy a bit far...
They certainly had their days of being great. Comparing eras is folly as we all know anyway. At least the last test will have dragged some averages down, it wasn't exactly one of the modern batters' paradises.
For sure. With the exception of Nicholls ( who is a great regardless of stats ) the top seven all average 40+ which on paper is fucken amazing !
EDIT: Blundell dragging the chain with 39.8 after this test.
Mitchell also dipping, now below KW.
I’m still unsure whether Conway is gonna be excellent, very good or good. Mitchell is boosted ( compared to Conway ) with a few extra not outs which is obviously an advantage the middle order have over the top order.
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@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
have doubts that Sam Wells, as an age and Otago Volts contemporary of Wagner, may be too close. (Let alone the obvious player power on selections by the senior players)
It does look like the black Caps team is "jobs for the boys".
NZC in general seems to operate that way. The White Ferns on and off field have been just as bad at that in recent years.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
My 11 for next test. I still go with 4 seamers at home.
Latham
Ravindra
Williamson
Conway
Mitchell
Phillips
Blunders
Jamieson
Henry
Southee
O'RourkeAlthough it is 2 or 3 months away, so have to see how O'Rourke goes in his white ball opportunities.
Absolutely must, for me, that we move on from Wagner now, but have doubts that Sam Wells, as an age and Otago Volts contemporary of Wagner, may be too close. (Let alone the obvious player power on selections by the senior players)
Any reason Conway is being demoted ? Didn’t shine vs Bangladesh but who really did ?
Is Ravindra really an opening option at test level ?
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@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
have doubts that Sam Wells, as an age and Otago Volts contemporary of Wagner, may be too close. (Let alone the obvious player power on selections by the senior players)
It does look like the black Caps team is "jobs for the boys".
Maybe (I don't know what he's been doing since he retired). The other probable explanation, to me, is they want a guy with a profile too low to challenge the current leadership. They wouldn't want an e.g. Stephen Fleming in that role with enough mana to win actual difficult, but necessary, selection arguments.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
My 11 for next test. I still go with 4 seamers at home.
Latham
Ravindra
Williamson
Conway
Mitchell
Phillips
Blunders
Jamieson
Henry
Southee
O'RourkeAlthough it is 2 or 3 months away, so have to see how O'Rourke goes in his white ball opportunities.
Absolutely must, for me, that we move on from Wagner now, but have doubts that Sam Wells, as an age and Otago Volts contemporary of Wagner, may be too close. (Let alone the obvious player power on selections by the senior players)
Any reason Conway is being demoted ? Didn’t shine vs Bangladesh but who really did ?
Is Ravindra really an opening option at test level ?
Conway should stay opening,
Too tough a gig throwing Ravindra in to opening in tests different game than white ball by quite a stretch.
let Ravindra find his feet in the lower middle order and work his may up, which is normally the way Test cricket teams are selected unless you are an established opener. -
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Any reason Conway is being demoted ?
Not particularly. Any of 3 out of those guys can open, any of the 3 would have merit dropping to middle order (e.g Latham being good v spin, Conway being the least specialist opener, Ravindra being the pup.
I chose Conway as not being the specialist, but not a hill I'd die on.
As Long as it isn't a Ravindra at 7 and everyone shuffle up 1 spot. That would make me pull my hair out. Need clear messaging on roles.
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@Chris said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
My 11 for next test. I still go with 4 seamers at home.
Latham
Ravindra
Williamson
Conway
Mitchell
Phillips
Blunders
Jamieson
Henry
Southee
O'RourkeAlthough it is 2 or 3 months away, so have to see how O'Rourke goes in his white ball opportunities.
Absolutely must, for me, that we move on from Wagner now, but have doubts that Sam Wells, as an age and Otago Volts contemporary of Wagner, may be too close. (Let alone the obvious player power on selections by the senior players)
Any reason Conway is being demoted ? Didn’t shine vs Bangladesh but who really did ?
Is Ravindra really an opening option at test level ?
Conway should stay opening,
Too tough a gig throwing Ravindra in to opening in tests different game than white ball by quite a stretch.
let Ravindra find his feet in the lower middle order and work his may up, which is normally the way Test cricket teams are selected unless you are an established opener.Ravindra can take the 5 spot. We get zero production out of it anyway
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Any reason Conway is being demoted ?
Not particularly. Any of 3 out of those guys can open, any of the 3 would have merit dropping to middle order (e.g Latham being good v spin, Conway being the least specialist opener, Ravindra being the pup.
I chose Conway as not being the specialist, but not a hill I'd die on.
As Long as it isn't a Ravindra at 7 and everyone shuffle up 1 spot. That would make me pull my hair out. Need clear messaging on roles.
200 on debut is pretty handy for an opener. I think they need to keep him there despite a ( relatively ) lean patch since then.
Phillips being the all rounder ( either that or batsman who bowls a bit ) or Blundell should take the seven spot.
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@canefan said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Chris said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
My 11 for next test. I still go with 4 seamers at home.
Latham
Ravindra
Williamson
Conway
Mitchell
Phillips
Blunders
Jamieson
Henry
Southee
O'RourkeAlthough it is 2 or 3 months away, so have to see how O'Rourke goes in his white ball opportunities.
Absolutely must, for me, that we move on from Wagner now, but have doubts that Sam Wells, as an age and Otago Volts contemporary of Wagner, may be too close. (Let alone the obvious player power on selections by the senior players)
Any reason Conway is being demoted ? Didn’t shine vs Bangladesh but who really did ?
Is Ravindra really an opening option at test level ?
Conway should stay opening,
Too tough a gig throwing Ravindra in to opening in tests different game than white ball by quite a stretch.
let Ravindra find his feet in the lower middle order and work his may up, which is normally the way Test cricket teams are selected unless you are an established opener.Ravindra can take the 5 spot. We get zero production out of it anyway
Mitchell's spot?
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
But to be less glib & pedantic .
I'd keep Mitchell at 5, with the attacking license.
Make a top 4 with Ravindra in it somewhere.
I would have Mitchell at 4 he has earned the right to bat up.
More time at the crease for Mitchell is better for the team.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@canefan said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Chris said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
My 11 for next test. I still go with 4 seamers at home.
Latham
Ravindra
Williamson
Conway
Mitchell
Phillips
Blunders
Jamieson
Henry
Southee
O'RourkeAlthough it is 2 or 3 months away, so have to see how O'Rourke goes in his white ball opportunities.
Absolutely must, for me, that we move on from Wagner now, but have doubts that Sam Wells, as an age and Otago Volts contemporary of Wagner, may be too close. (Let alone the obvious player power on selections by the senior players)
Any reason Conway is being demoted ? Didn’t shine vs Bangladesh but who really did ?
Is Ravindra really an opening option at test level ?
Conway should stay opening,
Too tough a gig throwing Ravindra in to opening in tests different game than white ball by quite a stretch.
let Ravindra find his feet in the lower middle order and work his may up, which is normally the way Test cricket teams are selected unless you are an established opener.Ravindra can take the 5 spot. We get zero production out of it anyway
Mitchell's spot?
Sorry, 4. Or switch with Mitch going to 4
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Also, some context
Edit: saying it's hard to win over there! And low scoring thrillers are more normal
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@nzzp said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Also, some context
Edit: saying it's hard to win over there! And low scoring thrillers are more normal
Yeah we whinge if it’s a road thats easy to score on, then we whinge if runs are hard to come by.
Put simply, NZ fans are whingers.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@nzzp said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Also, some context
Edit: saying it's hard to win over there! And low scoring thrillers are more normal
Yeah we whinge if it’s a road thats easy to score on, then we whinge if runs are hard to come by.
Put simply,
NZsports fans are whingers.
