Same old Russians, always cheating
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Icarus
Hell of a documentary - (it's on netflix)
If you've got the time:
Doco first though
Would welcome any analysis that refutes what Bryan Fogel has presented to us.
Not good folks - running out of things to believe in...
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China ‘compulsorily doped’ athletes in 1980s and 90s, claims whistleblower
A former doctor for the Chinese Olympic team has revealed that more than 10,000 of the country’s athletes were involved in a systematic doping programme across all sports – and that every one of China’s medals in major tournaments in the 1980s and 90s came from performance‑enhancing drugs.
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China ‘compulsorily doped’ athletes in 1980s and 90s, claims whistleblower
A former doctor for the Chinese Olympic team has revealed that more than 10,000 of the country’s athletes were involved in a systematic doping programme across all sports – and that every one of China’s medals in major tournaments in the 1980s and 90s came from performance‑enhancing drugs.
@tim said in Same old Russians, always cheating:
China ‘compulsorily doped’ athletes in 1980s and 90s, claims whistleblower
A former doctor for the Chinese Olympic team has revealed that more than 10,000 of the country’s athletes were involved in a systematic doping programme across all sports – and that every one of China’s medals in major tournaments in the 1980s and 90s came from performance‑enhancing drugs.
Whodathunk?
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@tim said in Same old Russians, always cheating:
China ‘compulsorily doped’ athletes in 1980s and 90s, claims whistleblower
A former doctor for the Chinese Olympic team has revealed that more than 10,000 of the country’s athletes were involved in a systematic doping programme across all sports – and that every one of China’s medals in major tournaments in the 1980s and 90s came from performance‑enhancing drugs.
Whodathunk?
@booboo said in Same old Russians, always cheating:
@tim said in Same old Russians, always cheating:
China ‘compulsorily doped’ athletes in 1980s and 90s, claims whistleblower
A former doctor for the Chinese Olympic team has revealed that more than 10,000 of the country’s athletes were involved in a systematic doping programme across all sports – and that every one of China’s medals in major tournaments in the 1980s and 90s came from performance‑enhancing drugs.
Whodathunk?
As the 12th Man would say, Wei Do Ping and Yei Wi Wun
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and so, a couple of years later, we are back here again.
Russia are banned from the Olympics. Not the athletes, just the Country. No anthems, no flags, just the athletes.
I don't get that at all to be honest. Either the athletes are clean, and the ban is a joke, or the athletes are dirty because, you know, state doping, and shouldn't be there either.
I find myself having very little time for anti-doping organisations. The cause they supposedly represent? yes, great. The organisations themselves? Just another large corrupt sporting organisation.
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and so, a couple of years later, we are back here again.
Russia are banned from the Olympics. Not the athletes, just the Country. No anthems, no flags, just the athletes.
I don't get that at all to be honest. Either the athletes are clean, and the ban is a joke, or the athletes are dirty because, you know, state doping, and shouldn't be there either.
I find myself having very little time for anti-doping organisations. The cause they supposedly represent? yes, great. The organisations themselves? Just another large corrupt sporting organisation.
@mariner4life they systematically doped to claim national glory. This punishes them by shaming but doesn't affect clean athletes.
Would you prefer no consequences at all? -
WADA is a bit toothless but some punishment is better than none at all. Reading more about this in recent days has been very interesting. The Russians have become a modern-day East Germany and then tried to frame and discredit the whistleblowers when the truth became known. Corruption started from the top.
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WADA is a bit toothless but some punishment is better than none at all. Reading more about this in recent days has been very interesting. The Russians have become a modern-day East Germany and then tried to frame and discredit the whistleblowers when the truth became known. Corruption started from the top.
@Bovidae said in Same old Russians, always cheating:
WADA is a bit toothless but some punishment is better than none at all. Reading more about this in recent days has been very interesting. The Russians have become a modern-day East Germany and then tried to frame and discredit the whistleblowers when the truth became known. Corruption started from the top.
Yeah there should be no Russian athletes competing, even for a 'no country' - unless they have lived under another countries doping system for over 8 years, or before the first evidence was.
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WADA is a bit toothless but some punishment is better than none at all. Reading more about this in recent days has been very interesting. The Russians have become a modern-day East Germany and then tried to frame and discredit the whistleblowers when the truth became known. Corruption started from the top.
@Bovidae said in Same old Russians, always cheating:
The Russians have become a modern-day East Germany and then tried to frame and discredit the whistleblowers when the truth became known. Corruption started from the top.
I don't think it is counted as "corruption" when it is a state organised activity -- technically the Russian doping agency would be corrupt if it didn't do its government policy, and actually tested properly. This is much worse than corruption, because it can't be rooted out until the government changes its policy.
They need to ban all Russian athletes until Russia agrees to play by the same rules as everyone else.
One way round it would be to exempt the current Russian athletes from the normal country qualifications. Once established as drug free by a country that actually tests properly, they could then compete for that country.
That would drive Putin crazy, because all his athletes would then be winning medals for other countries. Even worse if they won medals for other countries only because they were expertly doped by Russians!
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Not Russia, but drugs.
