6N - Scotland v France
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@Catogrande said in 6N - Scotland v France:
I thought it was a try but also thought it couldn’t be given due to the ref’s wording. “Onfield decision no try, can you see conclusive evidence to say try scored” (paraphrased).
Try? More than likely.
Conclusive? No.If the wording had been different it would likely have been awarded.
How is this not conclusive around the 3min mark?
Edit - they both agreed that it was grounded before old mate decided he should try harder to rule it out. Really poor stuff
What more are we looking for??
https://x.com/stansportrugby/status/1756357008809218432?s=48
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I understand your view but, taking the emotion out of it an official would be looking at that anyddeciding whether there was any doubt whatsoever in the legality of the grounding/not grounding.
Could there have nee a hand underneath?
Was there a loss of control?
Was there equal downward pressure from French limbs?
Any other things anyone can think of?Like you, I think it was a try but I can easily see why any official would baulk at deciding it was conclusive evidence.
But yeah, the Sweaties were hard done by IMO.
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@voodoo said in 6N - Scotland v France:
@Bones said in 6N - Scotland v France:
@voodoo nah, I didn't see a shot of the ball on the ground with pressure from the carrier.
It was clear as day. And I have no particular love for the haggis eaters. They got shafted
Show me that clear as day shot and I'll agree.
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@MN5 said in 6N - Scotland v France:
Fuck, there goes another Grand Slam.
Geez, they’re not that hard to win are they ?
For your boys, yes
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@Bones said in 6N - Scotland v France:
@voodoo said in 6N - Scotland v France:
@Bones said in 6N - Scotland v France:
@voodoo nah, I didn't see a shot of the ball on the ground with pressure from the carrier.
It was clear as day. And I have no particular love for the haggis eaters. They got shafted
Show me that clear as day shot and I'll agree.
It’s around 3mins and beyond in here. They spot the right angle, they agree it’s grounded, then the TMO shockingly changes his mind
https://x.com/stansportrugby/status/1756357008809218432?s=48
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@NTA said in 6N - Scotland v France:
Scotland should have won that game twice over in the first half but didn't take advantage of a France looking very Old French without Dupont and Ntamack.
Yeah the last decision is going to be talked about, but don't put it in the ref's hands.
Christ I hate that line of thinking. The old “the ref didn’t cost us, we should have have put it away earlier”. It makes no sense. They did what they had to do to be in a position to win the game and the TMO screwed them. Both teams made mistakes prior to then, it’s called “sport”
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@voodoo said in 6N - Scotland v France:
@NTA said in 6N - Scotland v France:
Scotland should have won that game twice over in the first half but didn't take advantage of a France looking very Old French without Dupont and Ntamack.
Yeah the last decision is going to be talked about, but don't put it in the ref's hands.
Christ I hate that line of thinking. The old “the ref didn’t cost us, we should have have put it away earlier”. It makes no sense. They did what they had to do to be in a position to win the game and the TMO screwed them. Both teams made mistakes prior to then, it’s called “sport”*
Agree on this but also have the view that with the interminable pick and go close to the line against a set defence, the chances of either being held up or putting yourself at the mercy of officiating are pretty high.
But again, that’s sport.
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@voodoo said in 6N - Scotland v France:
@NTA said in 6N - Scotland v France:
Scotland should have won that game twice over in the first half but didn't take advantage of a France looking very Old French without Dupont and Ntamack.
Yeah the last decision is going to be talked about, but don't put it in the ref's hands.
Christ I hate that line of thinking. The old “the ref didn’t cost us, we should have have put it away earlier”. It makes no sense. They did what they had to do to be in a position to win the game and the TMO screwed them. Both teams made mistakes prior to then, it’s called “sport”
Yeah, if that’s the case teams would work extra hard to get that extra try/penalty JUST IN CASE the ref does something wrong later on.
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@voodoo said in 6N - Scotland v France:
They did what they had to do to be in a position to win the game and didn't
FIFY
We can't collectively complain about how the TMO works and then also ignore the fact that Berry made the call in the first place.
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@NTA said in 6N - Scotland v France:
@voodoo said in 6N - Scotland v France:
They did what they had to do to be in a position to win the game and didn't
FIFY
We can't collectively complain about how the TMO works and then also ignore the fact that Berry made the call in the first place.
Berry got it wrong and the TMO should have corrected the error.
I understand how the rules work and what the TMO actually had to do.
But:
a. There was conclusive evidence to overturn the decision, the TMO saw it, then changed his mind to dismiss it.
b. Its fucking stupid that we find ourselves in this spot where the TMO turns himself inside out to see something possibly wrong - and in this case it wasn't even a something, it was a "maybe there could possibly be a something?"Just daft.
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I don't have a problem with Berry's original take. He saw it held up and said so, but even then asked for the TMO to check the other angles. His refereeing (which I've been critical of in the pas) isn't the issue here, it's the blind fluffybunny who is the TMO. I immediately saw exactly the same thing as the below and if that's not grounded, I don't wtf is.
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Shocking decision IMO, if the ball is held up only by a players foot, and it then slips off the foot, what is there left to hold the ball up above the ground?? Magic?
The TMO and the ref were about to award it then the TMO changed his mind - that's an issue of temperament.
When your entire review process is on display for the world to see you need to be decisive based off the evidence in front of you, not a fuddy-duddy changing your mind because you can't make the big call.
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@Windows97 this is exactly how I felt when the Canes season ended in Canberra last year. Ardie was adamant he grounded it but the wording of the ref made it almost impossible to give.
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Scotland Rugby write to World Rugby asking for admission of officials' error.
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I was just about to post that article. Whilst I have sympathy for the Scots in regard to the incident I cannot see how their statement is going to achieve anything or help the wider issue of referee integrity (and therefore potential for abuse).
What happened to suck it up and do better next time?
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@Catogrande It undermines their coach, Gregor Townsend, who basically said just that after the game.
