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She has now been dubbed 'Mother of the Nation" by Stuff.<br>
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<p>This is a bloody interesting read. My view on it is torn.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/16/new-zealands-most-shameful-secret-we-have-normalised-child-poverty'>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/16/new-zealands-most-shameful-secret-we-have-normalised-child-poverty</a></p>
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<p>$28,000 a year or $550 a week is the poverty line? Seriously?</p>
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<p>Firstly, I keep reading that outside of Auckland in the smaller towns, jobs are a plenty, and the rent is much cheaper. So why do these people stay in Auckland?</p>
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<p>Secondly, I wonder why it is that UK paper feels the need to investigate this - are we seriously not helping our needy? </p> -
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<p>This is a bloody interesting read. My view on it is torn.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/16/new-zealands-most-shameful-secret-we-have-normalised-child-poverty'>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/16/new-zealands-most-shameful-secret-we-have-normalised-child-poverty</a></p>
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<p>$28,000 a year or $550 a week is the poverty line? Seriously?</p>
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<p>Firstly, I keep reading that outside of Auckland in the smaller towns, jobs are a plenty, and the rent is much cheaper. So why do these people stay in Auckland?</p>
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<p>Secondly, I wonder why it is that UK paper feels the need to investigate this - are we seriously not helping our needy? </p>
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<p>The article lost a lot of credibility when they had this:</p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;font-size:medium;">>in the ghettoised suburbs of Otara, Papatoitoi and East Tamaki.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;font-size:medium;">If you can't bother to spell names of suburbs correctly, did you really do much research?</span></p> -
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<p>The article lost a lot of credibility when they had this:</p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;font-size:medium;">>in the ghettoised suburbs of Otara, Papatoitoi and East Tamaki.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;font-size:medium;">If you can't bother to spell names of suburbs correctly, did you really do much research?</span></p>
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<p>It is the Grauniad - I'm impressed they spelled "East" correctly.</p> -
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This is a bloody interesting read. My view on it is torn.<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/16/new-zealands-most-shameful-secret-we-have-normalised-child-poverty">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/16/new-zealands-most-shameful-secret-we-have-normalised-child-poverty</a><br><br>
$28,000 a year or $550 a week is the poverty line? Seriously?<br><br>
Firstly, I keep reading that outside of Auckland in the smaller towns, jobs are a plenty, and the rent is much cheaper. So why do these people stay in Auckland?<br><br>
Secondly, I wonder why it is that UK paper feels the need to investigate this - are we seriously not helping our needy?</p></blockquote>
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I think it is difficult for a lot of people to get by in Auckland with skyrocketing rents. But as you say, if things are not working out for you in a city then you have to take responsibility and move to somewhere that will. People are incredibly reluctant to move for some reason, no matter how bad things get.<br><br>
Also, another thing that annoys me about stories like that is they give an example of a family that is struggling, but then give <span>no</span> background on how they got into that situation. Are the parents uneducated? Unemployed? Unable to work due to illness? There are so many ways for people to upskill themselves and get into employment that will give them a quality of life. Having 5 - 6 children is probably the biggest barrier to a family like that from getting out of poverty (note: not <em>abject</em> poverty like you'd see in 3rd world countries). I have one child and have spent a fucking fortune on him, I don't plan on having another until I am certain that I can handle the financial burden. -
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<p>This is a bloody interesting read. My view on it is torn.<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/16/new-zealands-most-shameful-secret-we-have-normalised-child-poverty">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/16/new-zealands-most-shameful-secret-we-have-normalised-child-poverty</a><br><br>
$28,000 a year or $550 a week is the poverty line? Seriously?<br><br>
Firstly, I keep reading that outside of Auckland in the smaller towns, jobs are a plenty, and the rent is much cheaper. So why do these people stay in Auckland?<br><br>
Secondly, I wonder why it is that UK paper feels the need to investigate this - are we seriously not helping our needy?</p>
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<p>That's pretty much the Guardian at its worst , only interview and quote the people who tell the side of the story you want to tell and push that side as hard as you can .<br><br>
Also there wasn't much investigating there was there? They asked people from unicef who are never going to say anything positive either because their funding depends on the message being as negative as possible regarding poverty . And they talked to a woman who's being put up in a hotel by the tax payer until accomodation subsidised by the taxpayer is found for her, no breakdown of the benefits she's receiving either . Then there's the bit about people having expectations of the poor and some of them being blamed for their situation . Um, so ? Some people make really bad life choices and end up in shit creek , some people have really horrible things happen to them outside of their control. The people in the first group are not the same as the people in the second, unless it suits your narrative.</p>
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<p>Edit the author is a kiwi with a leftard agenda and the Guardian have printed another article along similar lines from her . Have a look at her facebook feed <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://twitter.com/EleanorAingeRoy'>https://twitter.com/EleanorAingeRoy</a></p> -
When I was made redundant a few years ago, one option to not be made redundant was to move my family TO Auckland...unfortunately I wouldn't earn any more and I'd have to sell a house here, and even if I got top dollar I still wouldn't have afforded a decent house in a decent area....I got a job earning half what I had been earning to stay here as moving wasn't an option.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="606014" data-time="1471412308"><p>That's pretty much the Guardian at its worst , only interview and quote the people who tell the side of the story you want to tell and push that side as hard as you can .<br><br>
Also there wasn't much investigating there was there? They asked people from unicef who are never going to say anything positive either because their funding depends on the message being as negative as possible regarding poverty . And they talked to a woman who's being put up in a hotel by the tax payer until accomodation subsidised by the taxpayer is found for her, no breakdown of the benefits she's receiving either . Then there's the bit about people having expectations of the poor and some of them being blamed for their situation . Um, so ? Some people make really bad life choices and end up in shit creek , some people have really horrible things happen to them outside of their control. The people in the first group are not the same as the people in the second, unless it suits your narrative.<br><br><br>
Edit the author is a kiwi with a leftard agenda and the Guardian have printed another article along similar lines from her . Have a look at her facebook feed <a class="bbc_url" href="https://twitter.com/EleanorAingeRoy">https://twitter.com/EleanorAingeRoy</a></p></blockquote>
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Obvious slant in the article but I didn't find that much to object to in either the article or her Twitter feed- if you accept the definition of poverty. The major issue with that is it ignores the impact of working for families. Which is only one of the reasons I loathe that program -
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<p>Obvious slant in the article but I didn't find that much to object to in either the article or her Twitter feed- if you accept the definition of poverty. The major issue with that is it ignores the impact of working for families. Which is only one of the reasons I loathe that program</p>
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<p>Obvious slant and no real attempt at balance, the only people she interviews agree with her. There's no mention of working for families or any breakdown on the benefits that family receives. Here's a couple of similar pieces the first link is a follow up to the Majorage posted ,the second is her moaning about a govt measure that is targeting poverty but she doesn't like that either. </p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/17/unicef-charities-urge-new-zealand-act-on-child-poverty'>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/17/unicef-charities-urge-new-zealand-act-on-child-poverty</a></p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jul/28/new-zealand-experts-warn-australia-data-driven-welfare-abuses-and-brutalises'>https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jul/28/new-zealand-experts-warn-australia-data-driven-welfare-abuses-and-brutalises</a></p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/30/new-zealand-schoolgirls-skip-class-because-they-cant-afford-sanitary-items'>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/30/new-zealand-schoolgirls-skip-class-because-they-cant-afford-sanitary-items</a></p>
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<p>There's more along similar lines <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.theguardian.com/profile/eleanor-ainge-roy'>https://www.theguardian.com/profile/eleanor-ainge-roy</a></p> -
<p>Black Lives matter is also getting a free ride form the MSM.</p>
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<p>An example</p>
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<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/technology/83337030/Gawker-com-to-shut-down-next-week'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/technology/83337030/Gawker-com-to-shut-down-next-week</a><br><br>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/technology/83337030/Gawker-com-to-shut-down-next-week'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/technology/83337030/Gawker-com-to-shut-down-next-week</a><br><br>
Gawker.com is gooooone</p>
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<p>I am torn over this, I dont like seeing any media outlet sued into oblivion. On the other hand any group that runs jezebel and is found by Nick Denton is hard pressed to get my sympathy...</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="606204" data-time="1471470901"><p>Black Lives matter is also getting a free ride form the MSM.<br>
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An example<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="
My better half showed me this guy who sums BLM up quite nicely:<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href=""></a><br><br>
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<p>an article about McCaw and how there is too much McCaw in the media...</p>
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<p>He seems to be in the news more than when he was playing (well not Aussie media...) but they are the tools that follow him around ask him for a sound bite and want to know what he has for breakfast.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz'>https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz</a></p>
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<p>not sure your link worked how you planned? It just goes to thier FB page, no link in particular?</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="610566" data-time="1472457901"><p>not sure your link worked how you planned? It just goes to thier FB page, no link in particular?</p></blockquote>
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<p>And yet Jegga claims to not have Facebook...</p>
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<p>You've got a good memory, I still don't have facebook it was linked on whaleoil but I couldn't find a way to link to the article on their facebook site.<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/08/nz-media-handing-their-readers-to-facebook-hows-that-working-out-then/'>http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/08/nz-media-handing-their-readers-to-facebook-hows-that-working-out-then/</a></p>
<p>I had a look at a couple of other things on there, one was a story about a gang member and the first comment was pointing the kidnapping victim was the son of a gang leader which they neglected to mention.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="606204" data-time="1471470901"><p>Black Lives matter is also getting a free ride form the MSM.<br>
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An example<br>
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I think the problem with any movement like this, and especially with hate crime legislation, is that it can't help but imply that untargeted violence is less bad than targeted violence. It creates a hierarchy of the worth of victims that is as insidious and corrupting as racism, with only the victims changing.<br><br>
I wonder if the well-meaning people who start these movements off ever stop to wonder that if they invite justice to be anything but blind they may regret a different flavours of inequality that result.
