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Black Caps v Australia

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  • MN5M Offline
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    Nice ton. Very well played. Advantage Australia

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      Pretty much sums up the Australian batting lineup for the last 12 months

      1 guy gets a good score, someone else gets 40, and the get themselves around 300.

      Their bowlers then roll the opposition for much less than that.

      I guess Aus will feel a little better given they were sent in, but that's pretty close to an even days test cricket.

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        Oh yeah that Australian bowling unit is class, even at their best Southee, Wags, Boult and Jamieson could never quite match them…..

        ….and said “best” packed up and left town ages ago.

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          Further to a point I made earlier.

          In terms of judging a player on a single performance cricket is one of those sports that it applies to least…..

          But fuck me Southee looked terrible. When Henry, O’Rourke and fucken Kuggelin ( did I spell that right ) put in some handy performances and you the captain get none it might be time to have a think about hanging things up.

          …..and I say that as a massive fan of him and all he’s done for our best ever era of cricket. Give it away before it gets more embarassing.

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          • MN5M MN5

            Further to a point I made earlier.

            In terms of judging a player on a single performance cricket is one of those sports that it applies to least…..

            But fuck me Southee looked terrible. When Henry, O’Rourke and fucken Kuggelin ( did I spell that right ) put in some handy performances and you the captain get none it might be time to have a think about hanging things up.

            …..and I say that as a massive fan of him and all he’s done for our best ever era of cricket. Give it away before it gets more embarassing.

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            @MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:

            Further to a point I made earlier.

            In terms of judging a player on a single performance cricket is one of those sports that it applies to least…..

            But fuck me Southee looked terrible. When Henry, O’Rourke and fucken Kuggelin ( did I spell that right ) put in some handy performances and you the captain get none it might be time to have a think about hanging things up.

            …..and I say that as a massive fan of him and all he’s done for our best ever era of cricket. Give it away before it gets more embarassing.

            The most worrying aspect about Southee's current form is that we probably have to put with it unitl he decides to retire, I can't see him getting dropped.

            Given his approach to DRS reviews, he proabably ain't retiring anytime soon.

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            • R Offline
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              On his day he has been an absolute pleasure to watch, but those days seem well past now.
              He has 7 wickets in his last 10 innings bowling which isn't exactly strike bowler material. Ravindra has 7 in his last 5 innings.

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                #433

                Southee should be done,very ineffective as an opening bowler he just is wasting the new ball.
                He has been good for NZ but you have to know when to go like Wagner ,I admired his decision if Southee carries on he will ruin his earlier performances.
                It would be sad to see if he is only remembered for what he is producing now.

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                • MN5M MN5

                  Further to a point I made earlier.

                  In terms of judging a player on a single performance cricket is one of those sports that it applies to least…..

                  But fuck me Southee looked terrible. When Henry, O’Rourke and fucken Kuggelin ( did I spell that right ) put in some handy performances and you the captain get none it might be time to have a think about hanging things up.

                  …..and I say that as a massive fan of him and all he’s done for our best ever era of cricket. Give it away before it gets more embarassing.

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                  @MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:

                  ... a single performance ... Southee looked terrible.

                  They're starting to stack up.

                  Kuggelin ( did I spell that right )

                  No, it's spelt Kuggelifhebehdjgn

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                  • ChrisC Chris

                    Southee should be done,very ineffective as an opening bowler he just is wasting the new ball.
                    He has been good for NZ but you have to know when to go like Wagner ,I admired his decision if Southee carries on he will ruin his earlier performances.
                    It would be sad to see if he is only remembered for what he is producing now.

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                    @Chris said in Black Caps v Australia:

                    Southee should be done,very ineffective as an opening bowler he just is wasting the new ball.
                    He has been good for NZ but you have to know when to go like Wagner ,I admired his decision if Southee carries on he will ruin his earlier performances.
                    It would be sad to see if he is only remembered for what he is producing now.

                    Wagner retired after he was told he wouldn't be selected though...issue is its unlikely someone is telling the captain that....

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                    • TeWaioT TeWaio

                      @Chris said in Black Caps v Australia:

                      Southee should be done,very ineffective as an opening bowler he just is wasting the new ball.
                      He has been good for NZ but you have to know when to go like Wagner ,I admired his decision if Southee carries on he will ruin his earlier performances.
                      It would be sad to see if he is only remembered for what he is producing now.

                      Wagner retired after he was told he wouldn't be selected though...issue is its unlikely someone is telling the captain that....

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                      @TeWaio said in Black Caps v Australia:

                      @Chris said in Black Caps v Australia:

                      Southee should be done,very ineffective as an opening bowler he just is wasting the new ball.
                      He has been good for NZ but you have to know when to go like Wagner ,I admired his decision if Southee carries on he will ruin his earlier performances.
                      It would be sad to see if he is only remembered for what he is producing now.

                      Wagner retired after he was told he wouldn't be selected though...issue is its unlikely someone is telling the captain that....

                      Making Timmee captain was probably just another poor decision from Stead. He will drive the bus off the cliff and let the next coach worry about picking up the pieces

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                      • TeWaioT TeWaio

                        @Chris said in Black Caps v Australia:

                        Southee should be done,very ineffective as an opening bowler he just is wasting the new ball.
                        He has been good for NZ but you have to know when to go like Wagner ,I admired his decision if Southee carries on he will ruin his earlier performances.
                        It would be sad to see if he is only remembered for what he is producing now.

                        Wagner retired after he was told he wouldn't be selected though...issue is its unlikely someone is telling the captain that....

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                        @TeWaio said in Black Caps v Australia:

                        @Chris said in Black Caps v Australia:

                        Southee should be done,very ineffective as an opening bowler he just is wasting the new ball.
                        He has been good for NZ but you have to know when to go like Wagner ,I admired his decision if Southee carries on he will ruin his earlier performances.
                        It would be sad to see if he is only remembered for what he is producing now.

                        Wagner retired after he was told he wouldn't be selected though...issue is its unlikely someone is telling the captain that....

                        For one test not never selected again as he was picked in the squad,Wagner saw the writing on the wall.
                        Southee needs to do what is right for NZ cricket and himself and retire.
                        Captains have been dropped before it does happen often.
                        Who ever made the short sighted decision to make Southee captain needs to fix that very bad mistake and have a whisper in his ear.

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                          Unfortunately. NZ have one of their busiest winters in their history (with 6 away tests and an ICC world cup) while we still wait for Timmy's central contract to expire.

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                            I wonder when Henry's bowling average will be lower than Southee's? There was about a 12 run gap at the start of the season, now it is only 5. They are racing towards each other.

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                              If NZ manage to bat long enough today that Australia need to use Green and Marsh. We will probably see that Southee is the 9th best seam bowler playing in this match.

                              I know this is a bit of a waaaah post. But it is so frustrating when your worst bowler is taking the new ball etc, makes me want to lash out and rage-post.

                              Makes me realise that modern day M Marsh is basically CdG pace (and role), and that Southee is also now CdG pace. I'm a big fan of CdG, there can be a place for a 125k bowler who nips it around - CdG was an excellent role player in our team plus he had a batting average of 35. But, this is not the role that Southee is doing.

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                              • RapidoR Rapido

                                If NZ manage to bat long enough today that Australia need to use Green and Marsh. We will probably see that Southee is the 9th best seam bowler playing in this match.

                                I know this is a bit of a waaaah post. But it is so frustrating when your worst bowler is taking the new ball etc, makes me want to lash out and rage-post.

                                Makes me realise that modern day M Marsh is basically CdG pace (and role), and that Southee is also now CdG pace. I'm a big fan of CdG, there can be a place for a 125k bowler who nips it around - CdG was an excellent role player in our team plus he had a batting average of 35. But, this is not the role that Southee is doing.

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                                @Rapido who is a bowler in NZ that would come in for Southee if he was all of sudden jettisoned from the team?

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                                  #442

                                  Who could replace Southee There is not much to replace atm.
                                  Zac Foulkes if you want a swing bowler
                                  Ferns if you want a bounce bowler
                                  Lister if you want a left arm option
                                  Duffy if you want a steady
                                  option
                                  All worth a punt can’t be much worse as strike bowlers.
                                  Sears if you want a quick he has done well when ever given a chance in the short form
                                  Nothing to say he can not transfer that to test level.

                                  Edit
                                  Henry Shipley back playing now another Tall quick bowling option.

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                                    I assume Southee was bowling into the wind yesterday? That should be his role at the Basin. If not, a double mistake.

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                                      Our hope it that we can finish them them off early and spend the majority of days 2 and 3 batting when the batting is at it's best.

                                      Unfortunately history shows us we generally get all out on the second day, give Aussie the best of the batting conditions on the third then collapse in the 4th innings as the pitch crumbles.

                                      Please reverse history today the Black Caps! Please!!

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                                        Interesting to ponder Andre Borovec the Australian fielding coach can throw 12 kms quicker with a side arm than Southee can bowl.
                                        So could Craig McMillan and most international coaches.

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                                          The thing that struck me about Southee is just how slow he looked in the field. A real throwback to the 80s when fast bowlers loped around the outfield, accompanying the ball to the fence.

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