Aussie Pro Rugby
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When has that ever NOT been the case, outside the Cheika era?
It's funny because I was reading some old Annual Reports from our Union (Subbies) and the Chairman's reports were saying "hard times ahead" etc. back in 2007 and several times since.
About time we pulled our fucking heads out and stopped thinking we can get different results doing the same stupid shit
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DC’s a good man. Done it tough and come good at every level after finding his feet. You’d have thought the Tahs would’ve planned on some mediocre seasons while DC adapted to the step up & they fixed their obvious organizational/talent ID & development issues.
So it makes sense they’d give him the chop before they could see a return on their investment in his development. Doesn’t help that he’s far from a political animal, probably doesn’t even own a tie, let alone one from the right old school.
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Based on last night, as much as they could benefit from a player of his talent and experience, the problem was in the forwards.
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DC’s a good man. Done it tough and come good at every level after finding his feet. You’d have thought the Tahs would’ve planned on some mediocre seasons while DC adapted to the step up & they fixed their obvious organizational/talent ID & development issues.
So it makes sense they’d give him the chop before they could see a return on their investment in his development. Doesn’t help that he’s far from a political animal, probably doesn’t even own a tie, let alone one from the right old school.
@Smuts said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
DC’s a good man. Done it tough and come good at every level after finding his feet. You’d have thought the Tahs would’ve planned on some mediocre seasons while DC adapted to the step up & they fixed their obvious organizational/talent ID & development issues.
So it makes sense they’d give him the chop before they could see a return on their investment in his development. Doesn’t help that he’s far from a political animal, probably doesn’t even own a tie, let alone one from the right old school.
https://x.com/kickoffskickons/status/1773251619213148228?s=46
All of this
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DC’s a good man. Done it tough and come good at every level after finding his feet. You’d have thought the Tahs would’ve planned on some mediocre seasons while DC adapted to the step up & they fixed their obvious organizational/talent ID & development issues.
So it makes sense they’d give him the chop before they could see a return on their investment in his development. Doesn’t help that he’s far from a political animal, probably doesn’t even own a tie, let alone one from the right old school.
@Smuts said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
You’d have thought the Tahs would’ve planned on some mediocre seasons while DC adapted to the step up & they fixed their obvious organizational/talent ID & development issues.
You give them waaaaay too much credit.
Some of the back office want the game to improve. Some of them are even working toward that.
However there are a bunch of people who just assume a lack of success is down to the right coach and the rest of it doesn't matter.
And, after Cheika won a decade ago with much the same shitty system, who can blame them for thinking that way? They're lazy, bloated minds, fat on imagined glory; they think that their school/club/etc is fine so why can't NSW just "be like that?"
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This could go in the Aus Community Rugby thread as well, but:
As we transition into the new central model, there won't even be anything meaningful in terms of change at NSW, I predict. What they've not looked ahead to is the changes required to the financial model.
Without what little TV money they had, who funds community rugby? Because it can barely fund itself.
My club is looking at around the following per team we field as line items:
$2000 - New playing kit (jerseys, shorts, socks assumes 25 players)
$ 550 - Regisration fee with Suburban Rugby
$1000 - Rugby Australia "Participation Fee" paid to NSW Rugby
$2700 - Insurance
$1400 - physio
$ 900 - consumables
$1000 - post-match costs
$1250 - live streaming platform$10,800 - we try to get 2-year deals for jersey sponsors to limit that cost, but doesn't always happen.
If I was to fund that purely through player payments (ha!) it would be over $400 per player. We charge $150, so have to find the other ~$300 per player ($7k) through a combination of grants, sponsors, and public generosity.
How sustainable is that? We don't have rich benefactors who throw a pile of cash at us, no questions asked. It is local businesses who are also feeling the cost-of-living pinch.
Private schools who play rugby will continue to get squillions in government grants to build hyperbaric chambers for their athletes to recover in.
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This could go in the Aus Community Rugby thread as well, but:
As we transition into the new central model, there won't even be anything meaningful in terms of change at NSW, I predict. What they've not looked ahead to is the changes required to the financial model.
Without what little TV money they had, who funds community rugby? Because it can barely fund itself.
My club is looking at around the following per team we field as line items:
$2000 - New playing kit (jerseys, shorts, socks assumes 25 players)
$ 550 - Regisration fee with Suburban Rugby
$1000 - Rugby Australia "Participation Fee" paid to NSW Rugby
$2700 - Insurance
$1400 - physio
$ 900 - consumables
$1000 - post-match costs
$1250 - live streaming platform$10,800 - we try to get 2-year deals for jersey sponsors to limit that cost, but doesn't always happen.
If I was to fund that purely through player payments (ha!) it would be over $400 per player. We charge $150, so have to find the other ~$300 per player ($7k) through a combination of grants, sponsors, and public generosity.
How sustainable is that? We don't have rich benefactors who throw a pile of cash at us, no questions asked. It is local businesses who are also feeling the cost-of-living pinch.
Private schools who play rugby will continue to get squillions in government grants to build hyperbaric chambers for their athletes to recover in.
@NTA said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
If I was to fund that purely through player payments (ha!) it would be over $400 per player. We charge $150
Reading and chatting on a Facebook post about NZ club rugby and a guy from Melbourne pays fees of $450!
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@NTA said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
If I was to fund that purely through player payments (ha!) it would be over $400 per player. We charge $150
Reading and chatting on a Facebook post about NZ club rugby and a guy from Melbourne pays fees of $450!
@mikedogz said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
If I was to fund that purely through player payments (ha!) it would be over $400 per player. We charge $150
Reading and chatting on a Facebook post about NZ club rugby and a guy from Melbourne pays fees of $450!
Yep - imagine how hard it is to find sponsors in AFL land?
But then, I know people who are paying $500 for kids soccer, so...
A lot of Kiwi guys who come over here look offended at the mere thought of paying to play amateur footy.
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This could go in the Aus Community Rugby thread as well, but:
As we transition into the new central model, there won't even be anything meaningful in terms of change at NSW, I predict. What they've not looked ahead to is the changes required to the financial model.
Without what little TV money they had, who funds community rugby? Because it can barely fund itself.
My club is looking at around the following per team we field as line items:
$2000 - New playing kit (jerseys, shorts, socks assumes 25 players)
$ 550 - Regisration fee with Suburban Rugby
$1000 - Rugby Australia "Participation Fee" paid to NSW Rugby
$2700 - Insurance
$1400 - physio
$ 900 - consumables
$1000 - post-match costs
$1250 - live streaming platform$10,800 - we try to get 2-year deals for jersey sponsors to limit that cost, but doesn't always happen.
If I was to fund that purely through player payments (ha!) it would be over $400 per player. We charge $150, so have to find the other ~$300 per player ($7k) through a combination of grants, sponsors, and public generosity.
How sustainable is that? We don't have rich benefactors who throw a pile of cash at us, no questions asked. It is local businesses who are also feeling the cost-of-living pinch.
Private schools who play rugby will continue to get squillions in government grants to build hyperbaric chambers for their athletes to recover in.
@NTA said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
$2000 - New playing kit (jerseys, shorts, socks assumes 25 players)
the club pays for socks and shorts? our player have to buy them, this allows for the guys that have played before and dont need yet another pair of shorts or socks
who does your jerseys? 25 jerseys was about $1500 for us last year, that was BLK and we've just gone to some small company id never heard of (S-Trend) so hoping even cheaper
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@NTA said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
If I was to fund that purely through player payments (ha!) it would be over $400 per player. We charge $150
Reading and chatting on a Facebook post about NZ club rugby and a guy from Melbourne pays fees of $450!
@mikedogz said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
If I was to fund that purely through player payments (ha!) it would be over $400 per player. We charge $150
Reading and chatting on a Facebook post about NZ club rugby and a guy from Melbourne pays fees of $450!
ours in melbourne were about $400 but that included shorts, socks, training tshirt or polo. but then we had guys that had played for years and already had that stuff so we cut it out, let people buy what they needed and brought the fees down to $300 and i think its $275 earlybird
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@NTA said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
$2000 - New playing kit (jerseys, shorts, socks assumes 25 players)
the club pays for socks and shorts? our player have to buy them, this allows for the guys that have played before and dont need yet another pair of shorts or socks
who does your jerseys? 25 jerseys was about $1500 for us last year, that was BLK and we've just gone to some small company id never heard of (S-Trend) so hoping even cheaper
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
the club pays for socks and shorts? our player have to buy them, this allows for the guys that have played before and dont need yet another pair of shorts or socks
We charge $150 for rego and assume a guy will need a pair of shorts and socks in that. Doesn't always happen but then you have some guys who need replacements a couple of times a year.
It evens out.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
the club pays for socks and shorts? our player have to buy them, this allows for the guys that have played before and dont need yet another pair of shorts or socks
We charge $150 for rego and assume a guy will need a pair of shorts and socks in that. Doesn't always happen but then you have some guys who need replacements a couple of times a year.
It evens out.
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@NTA thats so cheap, i dont think we cover basic costs at $150 let alone gear
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
@NTA thats so cheap, i dont think we cover basic costs at $150 let alone gear
And our collection rate still isn't that great.
Guys know that you've committed to 2 teams, and (surprisingly) they can count. When they see 20 guys at training, they know they can get away with murder. Probably time to start forfeiting games if that's the case.
Like I said: this isn't a cost-covering exercise. We get about $15k in pub raffles during an average year but only a few thousand in sponsors. Maybe another $5k in grants if I get them in on time. We break even most years, but just before COVID a couple of us on the Committee were slush funding the club for a few weeks.
Those aren't all our costs BTW.
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23-year-old Wallabies prop Angus Bell suffered his third foot injury in as many years last weekend against the Brumbies.
Although an exact timeframe regarding his return remains unclear, Waratahs sources say he will miss the rest of the Super Rugby season and is unlikely to be back in time for the Wallabies’ season opener against Wales on July 6.The latest setback comes a year after Bell had a bone removed from his toe to resolve the issues.
Bell told his Waratahs teammates and coaches that he heard a “pop” in Canberra on Saturday night during his side’s 40-16 loss.
Former Wallaby Stephen Hoiles on Monday said on Between Two Posts that it would have to be considered whether he’s best served switching to the back-row to alleviate some of the pressure going through his toe.“I heard a bit of talk that they’ve got to go and look at how they fix this toe long term,” said Hoiles
"He puts a lot of pressure on the injury that he’s got when he’s scrummaging, so is there a thought process that he might not be able to continue to play prop?"
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Well, if you thought Ozzie SR teams struggled for depth, is about to get far worse. Why play in Oz, when you can't earn a shed load more overseas, possibly for a good or winning team, and still get picked for the wallabies
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/joe-schmidt-to-kick-doors-open-on-overseas-wallabies/
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have to say...was surprised the crowd at aami on the weekend was more vocal than i would have thought for the size, its another example of i think they could have made things look much better if they hadn't opened the whole stadium, would have made one side look quite full i think
