Super Rugby 2024
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How are the Aussie sides doing against NZ opposition?
Aussies vs Matches Aussies Wins Blues 2 0 Chiefs 2 1 Hurricanes 3 0 Crusaders 2 2 Highlanders 3 2 Total 12 5 A huge improvement from a few years ago. Relatively spread out too with 3 NZ sides losing at least once to an Aussie side
Looking at it from the other direction:
Aussie Team Matches vs NZ Sides Wins vs NZ sides Brumbies 2 1 Force 2 0 Reds 2 1 Rebels 2 1 Waratahs 4 2 Total 12 5 Again, relatively spread out, 4 of the 5 Aussie sides have picked up a win against NZ opposition
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Little factoid, saders, canes, and Landers are all fielding only one player each in their 23s from last year's RWC squad! Blues are rolling in ABs riches with 5! How often were there only 8 current ABs playing in a round of SR?
Note this is a quick thought reading the team sheets, accuracy not assured
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Little factoid, saders, canes, and Landers are all fielding only one player each in their 23s from last year's RWC squad! Blues are rolling in ABs riches with 5! How often were there only 8 current ABs playing in a round of SR?
Note this is a quick thought reading the team sheets, accuracy not assured
@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2024:
How often were there only 8 current ABs playing in a round of SR?
Year after a RWC? Lots of injuries/retirements/overseas
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@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2024:
How often were there only 8 current ABs playing in a round of SR?
Year after a RWC? Lots of injuries/retirements/overseas
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2024:
How often were there only 8 current ABs playing in a round of SR?
Year after a RWC? Lots of injuries/retirements/overseas
Yup I know why, but still that's gotta be low historically
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Queensland Reds Anzac commemorative jersey
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What's the difference between the Hurricanes and the Crusaders?
Currently it's 11 places in the Super Rugby table.
Happy days!
@sparky said in Super Rugby 2024:
What's the difference between the Hurricanes and the Crusaders?
Currently it's 11 places in the Super Rugby table.
Happy days!
Time still left though
But so far it seems to show what a difference coaches make
Maybe Robertson in part did so well because the other NZ teams all had limited coaches. The Canes were coached by clowns but maybe MacDonald was only good compared to Tana. And the favourites (Chiefs) are fading now and the Highlanders look like they need to find new coaches.
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@sparky said in Super Rugby 2024:
What's the difference between the Hurricanes and the Crusaders?
Currently it's 11 places in the Super Rugby table.
Happy days!
Time still left though
But so far it seems to show what a difference coaches make
Maybe Robertson in part did so well because the other NZ teams all had limited coaches. The Canes were coached by clowns but maybe MacDonald was only good compared to Tana. And the favourites (Chiefs) are fading now and the Highlanders look like they need to find new coaches.
I think the Blues will win the competition this year. They have a top coach in Cotter and a very talented squad. They also have lots of players on top of their game and no obvious weaknesses.
This season will probably end in tears for the Canes. That said, I'm going to enjoy every moment of the Hurricanes doing so well for how ever long it lasts.
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I think the Blues will win the competition this year. They have a top coach in Cotter and a very talented squad. They also have lots of players on top of their game and no obvious weaknesses.
This season will probably end in tears for the Canes. That said, I'm going to enjoy every moment of the Hurricanes doing so well for how ever long it lasts.
@sparky said in Super Rugby 2024:
I think the Blues will win the competition this year. They have a top coach in Cotter and a very talented squad. They also have lots of players on top of their game and no obvious weaknesses.
This season will probably end in tears for the Canes. That said, I'm going to enjoy every moment of the Hurricanes doing so well for how ever long it lasts.
Blues are looking like Champions at the moment. But I rate this Canes team.
Excellent front & back rows. Quality locks. Quality backs except maybe at 1st 5 (this is our biggest concern plus injuries to key players)
But like you I'm just enjoying week by week. The Blues made the Brumbies look 2nd rate so see what the Canes do next week
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@sparky said in Super Rugby 2024:
I think the Blues will win the competition this year. They have a top coach in Cotter and a very talented squad. They also have lots of players on top of their game and no obvious weaknesses.
This season will probably end in tears for the Canes. That said, I'm going to enjoy every moment of the Hurricanes doing so well for how ever long it lasts.
Blues are looking like Champions at the moment. But I rate this Canes team.
Excellent front & back rows. Quality locks. Quality backs except maybe at 1st 5 (this is our biggest concern plus injuries to key players)
But like you I'm just enjoying week by week. The Blues made the Brumbies look 2nd rate so see what the Canes do next week
@Winger Yes, really proud of and pleased with the squad.
The quality of the Blues, Cameron, the possibility of injuries and the youth of this squad are my reasons for doubting this year will bring a second Super Title to the Hurricanes region. But it would be so nice if this was our year again.
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@Winger Yes, really proud of and pleased with the squad.
The quality of the Blues, Cameron, the possibility of injuries and the youth of this squad are my reasons for doubting this year will bring a second Super Title to the Hurricanes region. But it would be so nice if this was our year again.
@sparky the youth of this squad isn’t an excuse, they’ve been together now for 3-4 seasons.
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A big coup for the Waratahs, Andrew Kellaway has signed for them from next year through until the WC. That will offset the loss of Marky Mark.
I wonder if this is the first of many players getting away from the Rebels financial issues.
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@sparky said in Super Rugby 2024:
I think the Blues will win the competition this year. They have a top coach in Cotter and a very talented squad. They also have lots of players on top of their game and no obvious weaknesses.
This season will probably end in tears for the Canes. That said, I'm going to enjoy every moment of the Hurricanes doing so well for how ever long it lasts.
Blues are looking like Champions at the moment. But I rate this Canes team.
Excellent front & back rows. Quality locks. Quality backs except maybe at 1st 5 (this is our biggest concern plus injuries to key players)
But like you I'm just enjoying week by week. The Blues made the Brumbies look 2nd rate so see what the Canes do next week
@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@sparky said in Super Rugby 2024:
What's the difference between the Hurricanes and the Crusaders?
Currently it's 11 places in the Super Rugby table.
Happy days!
Time still left though
But so far it seems to show what a difference coaches make
Maybe Robertson in part did so well because the other NZ teams all had limited coaches. The Canes were coached by clowns but maybe MacDonald was only good compared to Tana. And the favourites (Chiefs) are fading now and the Highlanders look like they need to find new coaches.
Surely you are aware that Razor took over in 2017 right? that means he got the better of Dave Rennie, Tony Brown, John Plumtree, Chris Boyd, Swys de Bruin, Johan Ackerman, Gonzalo Quesada, Warren Gatland, Clayton McMillan, etc..
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@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@sparky said in Super Rugby 2024:
What's the difference between the Hurricanes and the Crusaders?
Currently it's 11 places in the Super Rugby table.
Happy days!
Time still left though
But so far it seems to show what a difference coaches make
Maybe Robertson in part did so well because the other NZ teams all had limited coaches. The Canes were coached by clowns but maybe MacDonald was only good compared to Tana. And the favourites (Chiefs) are fading now and the Highlanders look like they need to find new coaches.
Surely you are aware that Razor took over in 2017 right? that means he got the better of Dave Rennie, Tony Brown, John Plumtree, Chris Boyd, Swys de Bruin, Johan Ackerman, Gonzalo Quesada, Warren Gatland, Clayton McMillan, etc..
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@sparky said in Super Rugby 2024:
What's the difference between the Hurricanes and the Crusaders?
Currently it's 11 places in the Super Rugby table.
Happy days!
Time still left though
But so far it seems to show what a difference coaches make
Maybe Robertson in part did so well because the other NZ teams all had limited coaches. The Canes were coached by clowns but maybe MacDonald was only good compared to Tana. And the favourites (Chiefs) are fading now and the Highlanders look like they need to find new coaches.
Surely you are aware that Razor took over in 2017 right? that means he got the better of Dave Rennie, Tony Brown, John Plumtree, Chris Boyd, Swys de Bruin, Johan Ackerman, Gonzalo Quesada, Warren Gatland, Clayton McMillan, etc..
Razor just coached against mugs? Wow that is another ice cold take right there
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@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@sparky said in Super Rugby 2024:
What's the difference between the Hurricanes and the Crusaders?
Currently it's 11 places in the Super Rugby table.
Happy days!
Time still left though
But so far it seems to show what a difference coaches make
Maybe Robertson in part did so well because the other NZ teams all had limited coaches. The Canes were coached by clowns but maybe MacDonald was only good compared to Tana. And the favourites (Chiefs) are fading now and the Highlanders look like they need to find new coaches.
Surely you are aware that Razor took over in 2017 right? that means he got the better of Dave Rennie, Tony Brown, John Plumtree, Chris Boyd, Swys de Bruin, Johan Ackerman, Gonzalo Quesada, Warren Gatland, Clayton McMillan, etc..
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@sparky said in Super Rugby 2024:
What's the difference between the Hurricanes and the Crusaders?
Currently it's 11 places in the Super Rugby table.
Happy days!
Time still left though
But so far it seems to show what a difference coaches make
Maybe Robertson in part did so well because the other NZ teams all had limited coaches. The Canes were coached by clowns but maybe MacDonald was only good compared to Tana. And the favourites (Chiefs) are fading now and the Highlanders look like they need to find new coaches.
Surely you are aware that Razor took over in 2017 right? that means he got the better of Dave Rennie, Tony Brown, John Plumtree, Chris Boyd, Swys de Bruin, Johan Ackerman, Gonzalo Quesada, Warren Gatland, Clayton McMillan, etc..
Everyone got the better of Gatland. Plumtree was never a great head coach. Only a VG assistant until he wasn't anymore. Brown lacked quality players.
Razor took over a VG team that was held back by a limited coach. He is obviously a top coach but it was made easier for him that the other NZ teams I don't think had great coaches. Certainly, the Canes didn't after Boyd was (it seems) forced out and Plumtree rated Blackwell his number 1 lock (I thought he had lost it). And then ever worse when he left
The main team (Blues) was coached by Tana (adequate at best) and then MacDonald (ok but not great). Clayton limitations (still time to go) may be shown up this year.
The Canes have shown what a huge difference top (as opposed to poor) coaches make. The Blues seem likewise. Although McDonald was better than Holland
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@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@sparky said in Super Rugby 2024:
What's the difference between the Hurricanes and the Crusaders?
Currently it's 11 places in the Super Rugby table.
Happy days!
Time still left though
But so far it seems to show what a difference coaches make
Maybe Robertson in part did so well because the other NZ teams all had limited coaches. The Canes were coached by clowns but maybe MacDonald was only good compared to Tana. And the favourites (Chiefs) are fading now and the Highlanders look like they need to find new coaches.
Surely you are aware that Razor took over in 2017 right? that means he got the better of Dave Rennie, Tony Brown, John Plumtree, Chris Boyd, Swys de Bruin, Johan Ackerman, Gonzalo Quesada, Warren Gatland, Clayton McMillan, etc..
Everyone got the better of Gatland. Plumtree was never a great head coach. Only a VG assistant until he wasn't anymore. Brown lacked quality players.
Razor took over a VG team that was held back by a limited coach. He is obviously a top coach but it was made easier for him that the other NZ teams I don't think had great coaches. Certainly, the Canes didn't after Boyd was (it seems) forced out and Plumtree rated Blackwell his number 1 lock (I thought he had lost it). And then ever worse when he left
The main team (Blues) was coached by Tana (adequate at best) and then MacDonald (ok but not great). Clayton limitations (still time to go) may be shown up this year.
The Canes have shown what a huge difference top (as opposed to poor) coaches make. The Blues seem likewise. Although McDonald was better than Holland
@Winger I just listed a few guys who've coached at a level higher than Super Rugby, didn't give an endorsement of them, although Quesada, Brown, Rennie, McMillan are probably world-class eh?
Having said that don't you recognise the circular logic when saying 'it was made easier' for Razor that 'the other NZ teams I don't think had great coaches', when you could use the exact same reasoning to discredit Laidlaw's current success - because by your own admission (with the exception of Cotter) the other NZ coaches he's gone up against 'aren't great'.
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I think the Blues will win the competition this year. They have a top coach in Cotter and a very talented squad. They also have lots of players on top of their game and no obvious weaknesses.
This season will probably end in tears for the Canes. That said, I'm going to enjoy every moment of the Hurricanes doing so well for how ever long it lasts.
@sparky said in Super Rugby 2024:
I think the Blues will win the competition this year. They have a top coach in Cotter and a very talented squad. They also have lots of players on top of their game and no obvious weaknesses.
This season will probably end in tears for the Canes. That said, I'm going to enjoy every moment of the Hurricanes doing so well for how ever long it lasts.
Have a little faith mate, we've literally made the best start to a season in our history and you're already saying it will end in tears. The Blues have as much PTSD from falling in the playoffs as we do so it won't be necessarily smooth sailing for them either.
I honestly think whoever gets home advantage through the playoff stages will win it, there isn't much between the Canes and Blues for me. The Canes are just as settled as the Blues with proven combinations right across the park which is crucial.
The match on May 11 between both sides is going to be huge. Whoever wins that might not necessarily win the title, but it will be a huge steppingstone to hopefully greater things.
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@Winger I just listed a few guys who've coached at a level higher than Super Rugby, didn't give an endorsement of them, although Quesada, Brown, Rennie, McMillan are probably world-class eh?
Having said that don't you recognise the circular logic when saying 'it was made easier' for Razor that 'the other NZ teams I don't think had great coaches', when you could use the exact same reasoning to discredit Laidlaw's current success - because by your own admission (with the exception of Cotter) the other NZ coaches he's gone up against 'aren't great'.
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
when you could use the exact same reasoning to discredit Laidlaw's current success - because by your own admission (with the exception of Cotter)
I didn't discredit Robertson performance. I just said it may have been a factor in his 7 victories
Great teams need quality players and a top coach. If there is only one team that fits into this category it is easier for that team to look great (by winning year after year). However, if there are 2 or three not so easy.
My view esp in recent years it was a one team only factor. Clayton was (easily) the best of the rest in NZ but he failed badly last year.
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Updating those Aus v NZ stats after the weekend. Three more games, two more Aussie wins. Every Aussie side now has at least one win against a NZ side now
Aussie Team Matches vs NZ Sides Wins vs NZ sides Brumbies 3 1 Force 3 1 Reds 3 2 Rebels 2 1 Waratahs 4 2 Total 15 7 Aussies vs Matches Aussies Wins Blues 3 0 Chiefs 2 1 Hurricanes 3 0 Crusaders 3 3 Highlanders 4 3 Total 15 7 Maybe this table should be split into North Island and South Island. The Chiefs letting down the North Island
Highlanders the best of the South with the only win vs an Aussie side. Overall 7 SI games against Aussies and 6 losses
