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  • sparkyS Offline
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    sparky
    wrote on last edited by sparky
    #1959

    It's official. Louis Rees-Zammit has joined the Kansas City Chiefs.

    https://twitter.com/chiefs/status/1773774835925045451

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    • KiwiMurphK Offline
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      #1960

      QB Zach Wilson traded to the Denver Broncos for a late round pick swap.

      That means in under 3 years since the 2021 NFL Draft 4 of the 5 QBs chosen in round 1 are on different teams.

      This year's Draft starting later this week, there is an expectation that 4 QBs will go in the top 10.

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      • mariner4lifeM Offline
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        #1961

        this is.... i mean, it's....

        fuck

        god fucking damn it i hate this team. I mean, he's not only cheap, but the Jets are paying some of his salary. But he's, like, really bad at football.

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          #1962

          So that draft was Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields and Jones. Lawrence is a decent starter, who might be growing into more. The other four have all been traded away with the guy with the least starts getting the highest return. What a rubbish QB crop it turned out to be.

          Kind of shows how tough the position is/how big the step up to the NFL is though - every one of those guys (except Lance I guess, thanks to injuries) dominated college, and none of them really showed more than the occasional flash that they could play QB.

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            So that draft was Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields and Jones. Lawrence is a decent starter, who might be growing into more. The other four have all been traded away with the guy with the least starts getting the highest return. What a rubbish QB crop it turned out to be.

            Kind of shows how tough the position is/how big the step up to the NFL is though - every one of those guys (except Lance I guess, thanks to injuries) dominated college, and none of them really showed more than the occasional flash that they could play QB.

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            wrote on last edited by
            #1963

            @Cyclops said in NFL:

            So that draft was Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields and Jones. Lawrence is a decent starter, who might be growing into more. The other four have all been traded away with the guy with the least starts getting the highest return. What a rubbish QB crop it turned out to be.

            Kind of shows how tough the position is/how big the step up to the NFL is though - every one of those guys (except Lance I guess, thanks to injuries) dominated college, and none of them really showed more than the occasional flash that they could play QB.

            Shows how hit and miss drafts are too, and perhaps suggests that the metrics teams use to assess college QBs aren't very good. In contrast guys like Brady and (I know it's early, but the signs are good) Purdy were picked late. Maybe there is no way to measure work ethic, mental toughness and all other qualities that lie above the shoulders

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            • canefanC canefan

              @Cyclops said in NFL:

              So that draft was Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields and Jones. Lawrence is a decent starter, who might be growing into more. The other four have all been traded away with the guy with the least starts getting the highest return. What a rubbish QB crop it turned out to be.

              Kind of shows how tough the position is/how big the step up to the NFL is though - every one of those guys (except Lance I guess, thanks to injuries) dominated college, and none of them really showed more than the occasional flash that they could play QB.

              Shows how hit and miss drafts are too, and perhaps suggests that the metrics teams use to assess college QBs aren't very good. In contrast guys like Brady and (I know it's early, but the signs are good) Purdy were picked late. Maybe there is no way to measure work ethic, mental toughness and all other qualities that lie above the shoulders

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              #1964

              @canefan and who knows how less pressure and more chips on shoulders from late selections play out

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              • nzzpN nzzp

                @canefan and who knows how less pressure and more chips on shoulders from late selections play out

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                wrote on last edited by canefan
                #1965

                @nzzp said in NFL:

                @canefan and who knows how less pressure and more chips on shoulders from late selections play out

                And you generally end up with a worse team, coach and organisation when drafted early

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                • canefanC canefan

                  @nzzp said in NFL:

                  @canefan and who knows how less pressure and more chips on shoulders from late selections play out

                  And you generally end up with a worse team, coach and organisation when drafted early

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                  #1966

                  @canefan said in NFL:

                  @nzzp said in NFL:

                  @canefan and who knows how less pressure and more chips on shoulders from late selections play out

                  And you generally end up with a worse team, coach and organisation when drafted early

                  completely. No surprises that Mahomes and Brady went to good organisations, while others (Lawrence, Fields) wound up in burning dumpsters.

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                  • nzzpN nzzp

                    @canefan said in NFL:

                    @nzzp said in NFL:

                    @canefan and who knows how less pressure and more chips on shoulders from late selections play out

                    And you generally end up with a worse team, coach and organisation when drafted early

                    completely. No surprises that Mahomes and Brady went to good organisations, while others (Lawrence, Fields) wound up in burning dumpsters.

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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1967

                    @nzzp said in NFL:

                    @canefan said in NFL:

                    @nzzp said in NFL:

                    @canefan and who knows how less pressure and more chips on shoulders from late selections play out

                    And you generally end up with a worse team, coach and organisation when drafted early

                    completely. No surprises that Mahomes and Brady went to good organisations, while others (Lawrence, Fields) wound up in burning dumpsters.

                    And Aaron Rodgers. He burns about being passed over by the 49ers but they were crap, and Alex Smith barely escaped the ordeal.

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                    • mariner4lifeM Offline
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                      #1968

                      Teams are on a hiding to nothing. College Football is so very different to NFL football, and yet that is your only way to evaluate. Which is fine for every position on the field except QB.

                      QB play in this current iteration of the NFL is the single biggest driver to success. If your QB is even a little off, you are cooked. And these gun QBs come out of college where they rack up huge stats, and then they go to pro days and show advanced mechanics (if i hear one more time about Wilson's 50m cannon at his pro day...) and teams have to take them.

                      And then they get to the NFL as 23 year olds. Most of them go to organisations that are failing everywhere, but the fans and the owners pin their hopes on this fresh faced kid. And these boys face 17 games a year against teams stacked with the very best athletes on the face of the planet. Every team has at least two elite pass rushers. Every team has corners that can lock your passing options away. THe chances your team has an elite run game are low, so you're it kid.

                      And you are fundamentally aware that every down of the season counts. Most games are no more than 2 score games. An entire season can be undone by one bad play. No pressure kid.

                      Even the best need help. Joe Burrow is regarded as one who has lived up to expectation. Does that view hold if he doesn't have Ja'marr Chase to just bomb the ball up to so he can make a play? Honestly probably not.

                      If the kid does look even half the part then the organisation is under instant pressure to pay over the top money to keep them. And that contract becomes a millstone if progress stalls (i am looking at teams like Philadelphia here).

                      You pick a reveiver in the first round and he busts out? No one but your own fans remembers. You miss on a QB and everyone is talking about it.

                      It's not all bad though, these busts usually end up on a roster for along time as even a 3rd guy making a few million to carry a clipboard.

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                      • barbarianB Offline
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                        #1969

                        And not to mention the system is stacked against the top guys, as they are more often than not drafted into failing franchises without the support to actually help them develop.

                        So they end up succeeding in spite of those around them.

                        Would be an interesting experiment to get in the time machine and see what happens if Mahomes was drafted by the Jets.

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                        • barbarianB barbarian

                          And not to mention the system is stacked against the top guys, as they are more often than not drafted into failing franchises without the support to actually help them develop.

                          So they end up succeeding in spite of those around them.

                          Would be an interesting experiment to get in the time machine and see what happens if Mahomes was drafted by the Jets.

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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1970

                          @barbarian said in NFL:

                          Mahomes was drafted by the Jets.

                          that's just mean

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                            nzzp
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1971

                            Don't forget the Draft - kicks off noon Friday NZT

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                              barbarian
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                              #1972

                              Not to mention a particularly heartless and dare I say irresponsible use of a time machine

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                                nzzp
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1973

                                13 picks into the draft, 6 QB in the top 12 (!) and not one defensive player selected yet.

                                Shows how the comp is going - it's offense all the way

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                                  mariner4life
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1974

                                  biggest story so far

                                  The Falcons trading for Kirk Cousins
                                  The Falcons drafting a QB in the first round.

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                                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                    biggest story so far

                                    The Falcons trading for Kirk Cousins
                                    The Falcons drafting a QB in the first round.

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                                    nzzp
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1975

                                    @mariner4life said in NFL:

                                    biggest story so far

                                    The Falcons trading for Kirk Cousins
                                    The Falcons drafting a QB in the first round.

                                    Falcons paying Kirk big time ($180M, 4 years) THEN drafting. Remarkable.

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                                      mariner4life
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1976

                                      some defensive steals going now.

                                      Draft just showing what we already knew about the most important pieces in constructing a team
                                      QB play
                                      O-line to protect them
                                      Difference making receivers.

                                      Then edge rushers and smothering corners.

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                                        mariner4life
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                                        #1977

                                        and the Chiefs trade up to get a freak speedster receiver for Mahomes to play with

                                        fuck

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                                        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                          and the Chiefs trade up to get a freak speedster receiver for Mahomes to play with

                                          fuck

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                                          #1978

                                          @mariner4life intersting aswell that they've also signed up LRZ as a pet project.

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