Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc
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@canefan friendly reminder it was Mike Lee who didn't want to lose Ports land on behalf of the ARC.
@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan friendly reminder it was Mike Lee who didn't want to lose Ports land on behalf of the ARC.
Yes. Mike Lee (chair of the then ARC) - who was promoting the then ARC-owned Mt Smart as the answer to Auckland's stadium issues.
The mayor of Auckland (Sanitarium guy, I forgot his name) and the Auckland City Council actually voted yes to the stadium.
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@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan friendly reminder it was Mike Lee who didn't want to lose Ports land on behalf of the ARC.
Yes. Mike Lee (chair of the then ARC) - who was promoting the then ARC-owned Mt Smart as the answer to Auckland's stadium issues.
The mayor of Auckland (Sanitarium guy, I forgot his name) and the Auckland City Council actually voted yes to the stadium.
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@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan friendly reminder it was Mike Lee who didn't want to lose Ports land on behalf of the ARC.
Yes. Mike Lee (chair of the then ARC) - who was promoting the then ARC-owned Mt Smart as the answer to Auckland's stadium issues.
The mayor of Auckland (Sanitarium guy, I forgot his name) and the Auckland City Council actually voted yes to the stadium.
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan friendly reminder it was Mike Lee who didn't want to lose Ports land on behalf of the ARC.
Yes. Mike Lee (chair of the then ARC) - who was promoting the then ARC-owned Mt Smart as the answer to Auckland's stadium issues.
The mayor of Auckland (Sanitarium guy, I forgot his name) and the Auckland City Council actually voted yes to the stadium.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_New_Zealand
and this
In a 5-hour meeting on the night of 23 November, the Auckland City Council gave support to the waterfront proposal by a 13–7 vote. However they qualified their assent by wanting the stadium to be "substantially east" of the Marsden Wharf/Captain Cook location preferred by the government, cutting more deeply into port lands, but also keeping views from Britomart unobstructed.[10]
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I wasn't a fan of the proposed 2011 stadium and think the Council's caveat was justified.
There's a reason images of stadia are always of a match night, during the day they're all monolithic 13 story high visual barriers. Not at all pleasing to the eye - and they are the good ones. I shudder to think what Auckland would have got.
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@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan friendly reminder it was Mike Lee who didn't want to lose Ports land on behalf of the ARC.
Yes. Mike Lee (chair of the then ARC) - who was promoting the then ARC-owned Mt Smart as the answer to Auckland's stadium issues.
The mayor of Auckland (Sanitarium guy, I forgot his name) and the Auckland City Council actually voted yes to the stadium.
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan friendly reminder it was Mike Lee who didn't want to lose Ports land on behalf of the ARC.
Yes. Mike Lee (chair of the then ARC) - who was promoting the then ARC-owned Mt Smart as the answer to Auckland's stadium issues.
The mayor of Auckland (Sanitarium guy, I forgot his name) and the Auckland City Council actually voted yes to the stadium.
Phil Goff?
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Democracy has it's limitations and it seems stadiums in NZ is one of them.
IF something dramatic is to be done, then a decision needs to be done, it needs to be stuck by & charged head on through the bullshit that accompanies it.
But we all know it won't happen. Expect another 200mill thrown at Eden Park for something that looks like a dogs breakfast. Ethyl will be happy though.
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Democracy has it's limitations and it seems stadiums in NZ is one of them.
IF something dramatic is to be done, then a decision needs to be done, it needs to be stuck by & charged head on through the bullshit that accompanies it.
But we all know it won't happen. Expect another 200mill thrown at Eden Park for something that looks like a dogs breakfast. Ethyl will be happy though.
@MajorRage said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Democracy has it's limitations and it seems stadiums in NZ is one of them.
IF something dramatic is to be done, then a decision needs to be done, it needs to be stuck by & charged head on through the bullshit that accompanies it.
But we all know it won't happen. Expect another 200mill thrown at Eden Park for something that looks like a dogs breakfast. Ethyl will be happy though.
The council at the time pushed the Caketin through. Courage and determination is required
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@MajorRage said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Democracy has it's limitations and it seems stadiums in NZ is one of them.
IF something dramatic is to be done, then a decision needs to be done, it needs to be stuck by & charged head on through the bullshit that accompanies it.
But we all know it won't happen. Expect another 200mill thrown at Eden Park for something that looks like a dogs breakfast. Ethyl will be happy though.
The council at the time pushed the Caketin through. Courage and determination is required
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@canefan It probably should say Auckland, but then if you think of the state that Carisbrook & Athletic Park had to get to before replacements were built .... perhaps not.
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I've whined about this for years ... cricket & rugby should never be played in the same stadium, they are completely different sports with different sized fields. Rugby field is aournd 70 metres wide. A proper sized cricket is about double that.
Although I'm very pro the waterfront / downtown idea, I get that the logistics and cost make that a tough sell. But at least commit to making Eden Park a rugby only ground ....
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I've whined about this for years ... cricket & rugby should never be played in the same stadium, they are completely different sports with different sized fields. Rugby field is aournd 70 metres wide. A proper sized cricket is about double that.
Although I'm very pro the waterfront / downtown idea, I get that the logistics and cost make that a tough sell. But at least commit to making Eden Park a rugby only ground ....
@MajorRage said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
But at least commit to making Eden Park a rugby only ground ....
...half owned by Auckland Cricket. who have been propped up for years by the income from Rugby. Can't see it.
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@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
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@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
Hopeless situation. But I was not a fan of the sunken stadium. Put her under the water line and eventually she will leak
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@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
Good. No need to throw away Eden Park for some half backed waterfront stadium idea
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@DaGrubster Google do sports stadiums pay their way? or anything similar and every article effectively says a resounding no.
There's a massive capital outlay and significant opex. Even stadia that are widely utilised still financially. The other thing is it's all discretionary spend so whatever income they do bring to local hospo etc comes at the expense of someone else - unless the spend is from people travelling from outside the region which in Auckland's case would be unlikely.
You could argue the focalk point of urban regeneration project but does it really need a focal point. It's basically in the CBD. Developers should be able to make coin without a stadium not because of it
Cheers, yeah you are right I suppose and they have to be fully utilised to be able to get a ROI.
I base my comment really on the new spurs stadium (extensive research) my wife is a lawyer and her firm act for spurs.
I was speaking with the partner about how they will make money (this was at a bahmitzvah in north London in the night of Liverpool v Spurs CL final!)
And they gave me that spiel which makes sense.But spurs are doing so much and are based in one of the greatest cities in the world. It’s not feasible for every stadium to have the same $$ opportunities they have.
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Cheers, yeah you are right I suppose and they have to be fully utilised to be able to get a ROI.
I base my comment really on the new spurs stadium (extensive research) my wife is a lawyer and her firm act for spurs.
I was speaking with the partner about how they will make money (this was at a bahmitzvah in north London in the night of Liverpool v Spurs CL final!)
And they gave me that spiel which makes sense.But spurs are doing so much and are based in one of the greatest cities in the world. It’s not feasible for every stadium to have the same $$ opportunities they have.
@DaGrubster said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Cheers, yeah you are right I suppose and they have to be fully utilised to be able to get a ROI.
I base my comment really on the new spurs stadium (extensive research) my wife is a lawyer and her firm act for spurs.
I was speaking with the partner about how they will make money (this was at a bahmitzvah in north London in the night of Liverpool v Spurs CL final!)
And they gave me that spiel which makes sense.But spurs are doing so much and are based in one of the great cities. It’s not feasible for every stadium to have the same $$ opportunities they have.
Wow, I know who to ask for access to tickets next time I go to London during football season!
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@DaGrubster said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Cheers, yeah you are right I suppose and they have to be fully utilised to be able to get a ROI.
I base my comment really on the new spurs stadium (extensive research) my wife is a lawyer and her firm act for spurs.
I was speaking with the partner about how they will make money (this was at a bahmitzvah in north London in the night of Liverpool v Spurs CL final!)
And they gave me that spiel which makes sense.But spurs are doing so much and are based in one of the great cities. It’s not feasible for every stadium to have the same $$ opportunities they have.
Wow, I know who to ask for access to tickets next time I go to London during football season!
She has been a few times. I haven’t had an invite thouhh
. Been to Chelsea via her work a few times. Invited by her clients who are Chelsea fans and wedged up property owners.When they had the AB xv vs baabass game there I sorted about 10 tickets for that game but it was not the same demand as a spurs match!
So, she certainly has her uses
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She has been a few times. I haven’t had an invite thouhh
. Been to Chelsea via her work a few times. Invited by her clients who are Chelsea fans and wedged up property owners.When they had the AB xv vs baabass game there I sorted about 10 tickets for that game but it was not the same demand as a spurs match!
So, she certainly has her uses
@DaGrubster said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
She has been a few times. I haven’t had an invite thouhh
. Been to Chelsea via her work a few times. Invited by her clients who are Chelsea fans and wedged up property owners.When they had the AB xv vs baabass game there I sorted about 10 tickets for that game but it was not the same demand as a spurs match!
So, she certainly has her uses
It's a hard road finding the perfect woman.... I'd never expect freebies, just access!
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@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
Hopeless situation. But I was not a fan of the sunken stadium. Put her under the water line and eventually she will leak
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still won’t budge. Eden park is their baby.
Hopeless situation. But I was not a fan of the sunken stadium. Put her under the water line and eventually she will leak
just putting this in here - leakage below sea level is not a problem. Most basements downtown do that. It's not a reason to oppose a sunken
stadium
