Super Rugby 2024
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this is the arrogance kiwis get accused of, anything but give credit to other teams, when NZ teams punish teams for making mistakes we call it ruthless....when someone does it too us they were lucky to take advantage
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@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2024:
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
They jump on every single opportunity to push the narrative that the 'gap is closing' after inconsequential solitary upsets like Canberra where the Canes players clearly hadn't turned up mentally and had rotated their squad after going to Fiji, yet there's absolute crickets after those demoralising record defeats to the Blues (46-7) and Chiefs (46-12) respectively.
I'm not sure what makes Canes loss to Brumbies inconsequential.
If Canes lose on Saturday that means they lose top spot. Part of the reason why would be because they lost to Brumbies in Canberra.
I meant inconsequential towards supporting this narrative being pushed that the Australian teams are 'closing the gap'. The Hurricanes result was much less to do with the Brumbies, it was the complacency and mentality of a Hurricanes side that had won a franchise record number of matches on the trot and were simply going through the motions at that point, they had clearly checked out mentally - add to the fact GIO stadium is a terrible uninspiring venue to play at, the Hurricanes haven't won a game there for 7 years, and even the season Hurricanes won the competition (2016) they lost 53-10 because Canberra stadium is a depressingly negative shithole of a venue that seemingly drains the energy and enthusiasm out of our players.
This (27-19) result was an insignificant one because the Hurricanes were going to lose that week or the next, it was simply a matter of probability and the variables of consistent weekly preparation and maintaining consistency in backing up in high performance sport over a long period of time without a drop-off, it said very little about the Brumbies, they got fortunate to exploit a mentally checked out Canes team. It was circumstantial and not an accurate reflection of where the Brumbies sit.
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
because Canberra stadium is a depressingly negative shithole of a venue that seemingly drains the energy and enthusiasm out of our players.
Despite the fact the game this year Brumbies vs Canes was played in lovely sunshine in the middle of the day.
Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
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An article about how various small tweaks in SR laws add up to a big impact in the quality of matches
https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/speeded-up-super-rugby-pacific-provides-blueprint-for-wider-game/
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@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
because Canberra stadium is a depressingly negative shithole of a venue that seemingly drains the energy and enthusiasm out of our players.
Despite the fact the game this year Brumbies vs Canes was played in lovely sunshine in the middle of the day.
Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2024:
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
because Canberra stadium is a depressingly negative shithole of a venue that seemingly drains the energy and enthusiasm out of our players.
Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
Ironically that seems to be the case every SRP season with the inevitable fluffing of the Aussie side's credentials, the Brumbies are so spineless away from GIO playing NZ opposition I think they'd sink to this Crusaders side in Chch, the only reason they will finish (3rd) above Chiefs is because this current half-assed format hands them a disproportionate amount of games against other aussie sides.
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"If the Super Rugby Pacific regular season ended today, Hurricanes would meet the 4-6 Fijian Drua in a quarterfinal in Wellington."
"There would be no second chance for the Hurricanes if they were to slip up in the quarterfinal, even if they had won twice as many games as the Drua during the regular season."
"As things stand, four Super Rugby teams have won more games than they lost this season. Five have a positive points differential."
"The Crusaders have won two of their 10 matches yet they only need one win to jump back into the top eight."
That says it all really...
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"If the Super Rugby Pacific regular season ended today, Hurricanes would meet the 4-6 Fijian Drua in a quarterfinal in Wellington."
"There would be no second chance for the Hurricanes if they were to slip up in the quarterfinal, even if they had won twice as many games as the Drua during the regular season."
"As things stand, four Super Rugby teams have won more games than they lost this season. Five have a positive points differential."
"The Crusaders have won two of their 10 matches yet they only need one win to jump back into the top eight."
That says it all really...
@ruggabee change it to a top 6. Top two teams get a week to rest before hosting semi finals while the other four battle it out in the quarters. Atm there isn't really any advantage of making the top two apart from hosting.
If the Canes had to play the Crusaders in a quarter this year, so be it. I think our side, with our set piece and the great balance with our loosies/backs, I think we'll have no problem taking care of them at home. It would be a different story if we had to go down to their stadium in those miserable winter conditions that give them such a big advantage at this point of the season.
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@ruggabee change it to a top 6. Top two teams get a week to rest before hosting semi finals while the other four battle it out in the quarters. Atm there isn't really any advantage of making the top two apart from hosting.
If the Canes had to play the Crusaders in a quarter this year, so be it. I think our side, with our set piece and the great balance with our loosies/backs, I think we'll have no problem taking care of them at home. It would be a different story if we had to go down to their stadium in those miserable winter conditions that give them such a big advantage at this point of the season.
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2024:
@ruggabee change it to a top 6. Top two teams get a week to rest before hosting semi finals while the other four battle it out in the quarters. Atm there isn't really any advantage of making the top two apart from hosting.
Yes, although that would just mean less fixtures in an already short competition.
I think it's more vital for the competition going forward to have a complete home and away (which is 20 games if Rebels are cut) regular season. So you don't have teams like Brumbies qualifying above NZ sides like Chiefs due to playing more fixtures against other Australian teams.
Then have a top 4 or 6 finals, I don't really care which option as long as the above happens.
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@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2024:
@ruggabee change it to a top 6. Top two teams get a week to rest before hosting semi finals while the other four battle it out in the quarters. Atm there isn't really any advantage of making the top two apart from hosting.
Yes, although that would just mean less fixtures in an already short competition.
I think it's more vital for the competition going forward to have a complete home and away (which is 20 games if Rebels are cut) regular season. So you don't have teams like Brumbies qualifying above NZ sides like Chiefs due to playing more fixtures against other Australian teams.
Then have a top 4 or 6 finals, I don't really care which option as long as the above happens.
@ruggabee yeah that would make sense, I would cut it to a top 4 if that was the case.
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@ruggabee yeah that would make sense, I would cut it to a top 4 if that was the case.
@Canes4life So it's basically the English Premiership, except with 11 teams instead of 10?
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
Just have top 6 and get rid of the pointless byes.
Laughable that in the current format a team could literally go undefeated, win 14/14 games and potentially get knocked out by the 8th/12 ranked team that had won 3/14 games, it doesn't reward the last 15 weeks of consistency, there's so many external variables a coach can't control and a one-off upset in this case should not override the achievement of the previous 15 weeks of consistency.
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
Just have top 6 and get rid of the pointless byes.
Laughable that in the current format a team could literally go undefeated, win 14/14 games and potentially get knocked out by the 8th/12 ranked team that had won 3/14 games, it doesn't reward the last 15 weeks of consistency, there's so many external variables a coach can't control and a one-off upset in this case should not override the achievement of the previous 15 weeks of consistency.
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@ruggabee or - if you can't beat the 8th placed team when you've beaten all comers and they've struggled to even win, then you don't deserve to progress on in the finals and can be happy you smashed the regular season.
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
@ruggabee or - if you can't beat the 8th placed team when you've beaten all comers and they've struggled to even win, then you don't deserve to progress on in the finals and can be happy you smashed the regular season.
that's just silly, a playoff birth is supposed to be a reward for your season performance, if a team has lost more games than they've won (ie a losing record) then they don't deserve to get a chance to compete for the championship full stop. If the regular season doesn't matter then you might as well just give all 12 teams a playoff spot, participation medals for everyone bro...
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
@ruggabee or - if you can't beat the 8th placed team when you've beaten all comers and they've struggled to even win, then you don't deserve to progress on in the finals and can be happy you smashed the regular season.
that's just silly, a playoff birth is supposed to be a reward for your season performance, if a team has lost more games than they've won (ie a losing record) then they don't deserve to get a chance to compete for the championship full stop. If the regular season doesn't matter then you might as well just give all 12 teams a playoff spot, participation medals for everyone bro...
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
@ruggabee or - if you can't beat the 8th placed team when you've beaten all comers and they've struggled to even win, then you don't deserve to progress on in the finals and can be happy you smashed the regular season.
that's just silly, a playoff birth is supposed to be a reward for your season performance, if a team has lost more games than they've won (ie a losing record) then they don't deserve to get a chance to compete for the championship full stop. If the regular season doesn't matter then we should just give all 12 teams a playoff spot, participation medals for everyone bro...
Nah we should just cancel playoffs as knock out rugby is unfair! Wah!
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@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
@ruggabee or - if you can't beat the 8th placed team when you've beaten all comers and they've struggled to even win, then you don't deserve to progress on in the finals and can be happy you smashed the regular season.
that's just silly, a playoff birth is supposed to be a reward for your season performance, if a team has lost more games than they've won (ie a losing record) then they don't deserve to get a chance to compete for the championship full stop. If the regular season doesn't matter then we should just give all 12 teams a playoff spot, participation medals for everyone bro...
Nah we should just cancel playoffs as knock out rugby is unfair! Wah!
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
@ruggabee or - if you can't beat the 8th placed team when you've beaten all comers and they've struggled to even win, then you don't deserve to progress on in the finals and can be happy you smashed the regular season.
that's just silly, a playoff birth is supposed to be a reward for your season performance, if a team has lost more games than they've won (ie a losing record) then they don't deserve to get a chance to compete for the championship full stop. If the regular season doesn't matter then we should just give all 12 teams a playoff spot, participation medals for everyone bro...
Nah we should just cancel playoffs as knock out rugby is unfair! Wah!
World's best team agrees
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
@ruggabee or - if you can't beat the 8th placed team when you've beaten all comers and they've struggled to even win, then you don't deserve to progress on in the finals and can be happy you smashed the regular season.
that's just silly, a playoff birth is supposed to be a reward for your season performance, if a team has lost more games than they've won (ie a losing record) then they don't deserve to get a chance to compete for the championship full stop. If the regular season doesn't matter then you might as well just give all 12 teams a playoff spot, participation medals for everyone bro...
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
@ruggabee or - if you can't beat the 8th placed team when you've beaten all comers and they've struggled to even win, then you don't deserve to progress on in the finals and can be happy you smashed the regular season.
that's just silly, a playoff birth is supposed to be a reward for your season performance, if a team has lost more games than they've won (ie a losing record) then they don't deserve to get a chance to compete for the championship full stop. If the regular season doesn't matter then you might as well just give all 12 teams a playoff spot, participation medals for everyone bro...
i definitely agree we should be 4 or at most 6 teams in the playoffs...i think almost everyone except the rugby administrators is in agreement...but dont take it too such an extreme you make the argument look stupid...top of the table gets home games, thats the main reward for finishing as high as possible
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"If the Super Rugby Pacific regular season ended today, Hurricanes would meet the 4-6 Fijian Drua in a quarterfinal in Wellington."
"There would be no second chance for the Hurricanes if they were to slip up in the quarterfinal, even if they had won twice as many games as the Drua during the regular season."
"As things stand, four Super Rugby teams have won more games than they lost this season. Five have a positive points differential."
"The Crusaders have won two of their 10 matches yet they only need one win to jump back into the top eight."
That says it all really...
@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
"The Crusaders have won two of their 10 matches yet they only need one win to jump back into the top eight."
Two from eleven.
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2024:
Top two teams get a week to rest before hosting semi finals
Fun fact time! The winner of Super has always come from the top or second place getter - except for the 2015 Highlanders (who from memory only placed 4th because the Tahs and Stormers were top of their regional conference.
So if you're not 1st or 2nd, you're not winning (based on 20 years of history)
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@ruggabee said in Super Rugby 2024:
"The Crusaders have won two of their 10 matches yet they only need one win to jump back into the top eight."
Two from eleven.
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2024:
Top two teams get a week to rest before hosting semi finals
Fun fact time! The winner of Super has always come from the top or second place getter - except for the 2015 Highlanders (who from memory only placed 4th because the Tahs and Stormers were top of their regional conference.
So if you're not 1st or 2nd, you're not winning (based on 20 years of history)
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2024:
Fun fact time! The winner of Super has always come from the top or second place getter - except for the 2015 Highlanders
Eh? 1999 Landers vs Crusaders final was 3rd vs 4th on the ladder.
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2024:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2024:
Fun fact time! The winner of Super has always come from the top or second place getter - except for the 2015 Highlanders
Eh? 1999 Landers vs Crusaders final was 3rd vs 4th on the ladder.
Right you are - missed that on the way through.
I'll walk back to only once since 96 has a team outside the top 2 points won the comp
