Super Rugby - The Future
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby - The Future:
said to be a sellout but there were some empty seats
that often seems the case, have to assume the empty seats are usually sponsor or free ones not taken up?
or season ticket holders not showing up
@nzzp said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby - The Future:
said to be a sellout but there were some empty seats
that often seems the case, have to assume the empty seats are usually sponsor or free ones not taken up?
or season ticket holders not showing up
this but also dont forget there is often a stack of people going to the loo, getting a drink or food etc
@canefan said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@SouthernMann said in Super Rugby - The Future:
I underestimated the size of a basektball arena. Still much smaller than every team except for the homeless Moana Pasifika. It doesn't change the argument that Super Rugby is generally still more popular than all options except for the warriors
Fair call. It's still a lot less than it was say 10 years ago. The olds used to attend all Hurricanes home games, there was a waitlist for season tickets, and they used to get crowds of 25K+. Maybe Mr Fish is right, most fans can't be bothered heading to the ground to watch games live
in 2014 the canes were regularly getting +25k? the whole stadium over 75% full? sure we're not thinking 2004?
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby - The Future:
said to be a sellout but there were some empty seats
that often seems the case, have to assume the empty seats are usually sponsor or free ones not taken up?
or season ticket holders not showing up
this but also dont forget there is often a stack of people going to the loo, getting a drink or food etc
@canefan said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@SouthernMann said in Super Rugby - The Future:
I underestimated the size of a basektball arena. Still much smaller than every team except for the homeless Moana Pasifika. It doesn't change the argument that Super Rugby is generally still more popular than all options except for the warriors
Fair call. It's still a lot less than it was say 10 years ago. The olds used to attend all Hurricanes home games, there was a waitlist for season tickets, and they used to get crowds of 25K+. Maybe Mr Fish is right, most fans can't be bothered heading to the ground to watch games live
in 2014 the canes were regularly getting +25k? the whole stadium over 75% full? sure we're not thinking 2004?
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby - The Future:
said to be a sellout but there were some empty seats
that often seems the case, have to assume the empty seats are usually sponsor or free ones not taken up?
or season ticket holders not showing up
this but also dont forget there is often a stack of people going to the loo, getting a drink or food etc
@canefan said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@SouthernMann said in Super Rugby - The Future:
I underestimated the size of a basektball arena. Still much smaller than every team except for the homeless Moana Pasifika. It doesn't change the argument that Super Rugby is generally still more popular than all options except for the warriors
Fair call. It's still a lot less than it was say 10 years ago. The olds used to attend all Hurricanes home games, there was a waitlist for season tickets, and they used to get crowds of 25K+. Maybe Mr Fish is right, most fans can't be bothered heading to the ground to watch games live
in 2014 the canes were regularly getting +25k? the whole stadium over 75% full? sure we're not thinking 2004?
lol i thought the same thing, at least a decade out
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Could someone smarter than me explain why food and drink is so outrageously expensive inside a stadium? When shops right outside sell the same stuff for half the price? As that's a big put off for a lot of people, especially families, the cost of tickets is already really high.
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Could someone smarter than me explain why food and drink is so outrageously expensive inside a stadium? When shops right outside sell the same stuff for half the price? As that's a big put off for a lot of people, especially families, the cost of tickets is already really high.
@No-Quarter said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Could someone smarter than me explain why food and drink is so outrageously expensive inside a stadium? When shops right outside sell the same stuff for half the price? As that's a big put off for a lot of people, especially families, the cost of tickets is already really high.
To make up for the empty seats
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Could someone smarter than me explain why food and drink is so outrageously expensive inside a stadium? When shops right outside sell the same stuff for half the price? As that's a big put off for a lot of people, especially families, the cost of tickets is already really high.
@No-Quarter said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Could someone smarter than me explain why food and drink is so outrageously expensive inside a stadium? When shops right outside sell the same stuff for half the price? As that's a big put off for a lot of people, especially families, the cost of tickets is already really high.
purely too make money from a largely captured audience, we all complain about it....but there are always queues....so plenty of people are still spending...so they have little motivation to drop the prices
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Could someone smarter than me explain why food and drink is so outrageously expensive inside a stadium? When shops right outside sell the same stuff for half the price? As that's a big put off for a lot of people, especially families, the cost of tickets is already really high.
@No-Quarter assume the stadium charge a premium rate to be able to sell your food/drink there as well and can pick and choose who they let in so likely dont have issues getting 'tenants' given the 'short term' nature, captive audience etc, not to mention I expect if they have staff they probably pay them slightly higher given they are being asked to work for 3 hours on a Friday/Saturday night?
Then, on nights when it is pissing with rain, or bitterly cold, punters arent spending as much, but the cost to the vendor the same?
All that being said, cheaper product would typically mean higher turnover...
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This was from a paywalled Gregor Paul article. His prediction of what will happen
NZR will finalise its competitions and elite pathways review that will most likely end up with Super Rugby clubs taking control of all aspects of player development. The National Provincial Championship would be shifted to a new, slimmed-down format and possibly even to a new place in the calendar where it runs concurrently with Super Rugby Pacific. -
Could someone smarter than me explain why food and drink is so outrageously expensive inside a stadium? When shops right outside sell the same stuff for half the price? As that's a big put off for a lot of people, especially families, the cost of tickets is already really high.
@No-Quarter said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Could someone smarter than me explain why food and drink is so outrageously expensive inside a stadium? When shops right outside sell the same stuff for half the price? As that's a big put off for a lot of people, especially families, the cost of tickets is already really high.
I have no issue with the cost. It does reflect what similar products may cost at pubs. It is just the lines, quality of product, options and stupid rules that annoy me. I've been to some games where beer limits have been dropped to one per customer by halftime. I don't care about $50 bucks for four beers as long as I have visit the dunny, grab my beers and be back in my seat within five minutes.
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This was from a paywalled Gregor Paul article. His prediction of what will happen
NZR will finalise its competitions and elite pathways review that will most likely end up with Super Rugby clubs taking control of all aspects of player development. The National Provincial Championship would be shifted to a new, slimmed-down format and possibly even to a new place in the calendar where it runs concurrently with Super Rugby Pacific.@Duluth said in Super Rugby - The Future:
This was from a paywalled Gregor Paul article. His prediction of what will happen
NZR will finalise its competitions and elite pathways review that will most likely end up with Super Rugby clubs taking control of all aspects of player development. The National Provincial Championship would be shifted to a new, slimmed-down format and possibly even to a new place in the calendar where it runs concurrently with Super Rugby Pacific.I wonder if that means an expanded Super Rugby length of season wise
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This was from a paywalled Gregor Paul article. His prediction of what will happen
NZR will finalise its competitions and elite pathways review that will most likely end up with Super Rugby clubs taking control of all aspects of player development. The National Provincial Championship would be shifted to a new, slimmed-down format and possibly even to a new place in the calendar where it runs concurrently with Super Rugby Pacific.@Duluth said in Super Rugby - The Future:
This was from a paywalled Gregor Paul article. His prediction of what will happen
NZR will finalise its competitions and elite pathways review that will most likely end up with **Super Rugby clubs taking control of all aspects of player development.**That would only work with an expanded U20 and Development competition, as we have discussed. The PUs still do a lot of the heavy lifting in player development through their age-group teams. Using the SR U18 teams as an example, they currently play one or two games a year after attending a development camp. Those players in the 18-20 yr old range still rely on playing for club and provincial age-group teams for meaningful games.
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Taniwha (Northland/North Harbour)
Blues (Auckland/Counties)
Chiefs (Waikato/Bay of Plenty)
Bulls (Taranaki)
Vikings (Hawke's Bay/Manawatu)
Hurricanes (Wellington)
Crusaders ( Ta$man/Canterbury)
Highlanders (Otago/Southland)Plus Moana Pasifika, Fijian Drua and the four remaining Australian sides.
@Mr-Fish said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Taniwha (Northland/North Harbour)
Blues (Auckland/Counties)
Chiefs (Waikato/Bay of Plenty)
Bulls (Taranaki)
Vikings (Hawke's Bay/Manawatu)
Hurricanes (Wellington)
Crusaders ( Ta$man/Canterbury)
Highlanders (Otago/Southland)Plus Moana Pasifika, Fijian Drua and the four remaining Australian sides.
Slightly off topic, but trying to think how NPC could be reformed to dovetail with Superb Rugby.
Using the above as inspiration an NTC (National Territorial Cup).
Ten teams consisting of pairs associated with the five SR franchises, being:
Taniwha (N & NH)/Auckland (South of Bridge/CM) -- Blues
Waikato/Bays (BOP/PB/ECB/HB) -- Chiefs
Wellington/TMW Snorters -- Canes
Ta$man/Canterbury -- Saders
Otago/Southland -- ClanPlayed in same window as current NPC.
Given each NTC team might be 50% SR players, the standard ought to be good.
Sharing of expertise and coaching personal would allow dramatic reduction in overheads.
Round Robin, and maybe some type of final.
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@Duluth said in Super Rugby - The Future:
This was from a paywalled Gregor Paul article. His prediction of what will happen
NZR will finalise its competitions and elite pathways review that will most likely end up with **Super Rugby clubs taking control of all aspects of player development.**That would only work with an expanded U20 and Development competition, as we have discussed. The PUs still do a lot of the heavy lifting in player development through their age-group teams. Using the SR U18 teams as an example, they currently play one or two games a year after attending a development camp. Those players in the 18-20 yr old range still rely on playing for club and provincial age-group teams for meaningful games.
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@Mr-Fish said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Taniwha (Northland/North Harbour)
Blues (Auckland/Counties)
Chiefs (Waikato/Bay of Plenty)
Bulls (Taranaki)
Vikings (Hawke's Bay/Manawatu)
Hurricanes (Wellington)
Crusaders ( Ta$man/Canterbury)
Highlanders (Otago/Southland)Plus Moana Pasifika, Fijian Drua and the four remaining Australian sides.
Slightly off topic, but trying to think how NPC could be reformed to dovetail with Superb Rugby.
Using the above as inspiration an NTC (National Territorial Cup).
Ten teams consisting of pairs associated with the five SR franchises, being:
Taniwha (N & NH)/Auckland (South of Bridge/CM) -- Blues
Waikato/Bays (BOP/PB/ECB/HB) -- Chiefs
Wellington/TMW Snorters -- Canes
Ta$man/Canterbury -- Saders
Otago/Southland -- ClanPlayed in same window as current NPC.
Given each NTC team might be 50% SR players, the standard ought to be good.
Sharing of expertise and coaching personal would allow dramatic reduction in overheads.
Round Robin, and maybe some type of final.
@pakman said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Mr-Fish said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Taniwha (Northland/North Harbour)
Blues (Auckland/Counties)
Chiefs (Waikato/Bay of Plenty)
Bulls (Taranaki)
Vikings (Hawke's Bay/Manawatu)
Hurricanes (Wellington)
Crusaders ( Ta$man/Canterbury)
Highlanders (Otago/Southland)Plus Moana Pasifika, Fijian Drua and the four remaining Australian sides.
Slightly off topic, but trying to think how NPC could be reformed to dovetail with Superb Rugby.
Using the above as inspiration an NTC (National Territorial Cup).
Ten teams consisting of pairs associated with the five SR franchises, being:
Taniwha (N & NH)/Auckland (South of Bridge/CM) -- Blues
Waikato/Bays (BOP/PB/ECB/HB) -- Chiefs
Wellington/TMW Snorters -- Canes
Ta$man/Canterbury -- Saders
Otago/Southland -- ClanGiven each NTC team might be 50% SR players, the standard ought to be good.
Sharing of expertise and coaching personal would allow dramatic reduction in overheads.
Round Robin, and maybe some type of final.
Aim would be to play at stadia size of Tron, which could then be full with great atmosphere. Then piggy back off TV revenue.
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If the professional game and amateur game do eventually separate, GP's suggestion about running the NPC at the same time as SR won't work either. The club and provincial seasons need to follow each other as that's where their (PU) player pool is coming from. We're not going to play test matches at the same time as SR.
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@SouthernMann said in Super Rugby - The Future:
I underestimated the size of a basektball arena. Still much smaller than every team except for the homeless Moana Pasifika. It doesn't change the argument that Super Rugby is generally still more popular than all options except for the warriors
Fair call. It's still a lot less than it was say 10 years ago. The olds used to attend all Hurricanes home games, there was a waitlist for season tickets, and they used to get crowds of 25K+. Maybe Mr Fish is right, most fans can't be bothered heading to the ground to watch games live
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If the professional game and amateur game do eventually separate, GP's suggestion about running the NPC at the same time as SR won't work either. The club and provincial seasons need to follow each other as that's where their (PU) player pool is coming from. We're not going to play test matches at the same time as SR.
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby - The Future:
If the professional game and amateur game do eventually separate, GP's suggestion about running the NPC at the same time as SR won't work either. The club and provincial seasons need to follow each other as that's where their (PU) player pool is coming from. We're not going to play test matches at the same time as SR.
The relationship between Super and international needs to be worked out. Then administrators can sort out the Super schedule. Super U20 needs to be held prior to the club season too. Club seasons around the country need to be aligned to finish at about the same time, give some lead in to the provincial season.I always find it stupid that in recent years club teams lose their best players for the final to play pre-season NPC games. NPC should be innovative in how it schedules, play all their games in one location over a weekend. Limit costs. If the Super season is extended and book ends the international season, or plays through it, does the NPC start 3/4 through it. Are NPC games played as curtain raisers?
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If the professional game and amateur game do eventually separate, GP's suggestion about running the NPC at the same time as SR won't work either. The club and provincial seasons need to follow each other as that's where their (PU) player pool is coming from. We're not going to play test matches at the same time as SR.
If they do separate, I think that having the PU games at the same time as AB windows makes sense - we can fill in the time with Amateur rugby. The trick would be getting it in a format that can be finished within a RC window (for example) but from looking at the calendar that should be somewhat possible.
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@pakman said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Mr-Fish said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Taniwha (Northland/North Harbour)
Blues (Auckland/Counties)
Chiefs (Waikato/Bay of Plenty)
Bulls (Taranaki)
Vikings (Hawke's Bay/Manawatu)
Hurricanes (Wellington)
Crusaders ( Ta$man/Canterbury)
Highlanders (Otago/Southland)Plus Moana Pasifika, Fijian Drua and the four remaining Australian sides.
Slightly off topic, but trying to think how NPC could be reformed to dovetail with Superb Rugby.
Using the above as inspiration an NTC (National Territorial Cup).
Ten teams consisting of pairs associated with the five SR franchises, being:
Taniwha (N & NH)/Auckland (South of Bridge/CM) -- Blues
Waikato/Bays (BOP/PB/ECB/HB) -- Chiefs
Wellington/TMW Snorters -- Canes
Ta$man/Canterbury -- Saders
Otago/Southland -- ClanGiven each NTC team might be 50% SR players, the standard ought to be good.
Sharing of expertise and coaching personal would allow dramatic reduction in overheads.
Round Robin, and maybe some type of final.
Aim would be to play at stadia size of Tron, which could then be full with great atmosphere. Then piggy back off TV revenue.
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@Mr-Fish said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Taniwha (Northland/North Harbour)
Blues (Auckland/Counties)
Chiefs (Waikato/Bay of Plenty)
Bulls (Taranaki)
Vikings (Hawke's Bay/Manawatu)
Hurricanes (Wellington)
Crusaders ( Ta$man/Canterbury)
Highlanders (Otago/Southland)Plus Moana Pasifika, Fijian Drua and the four remaining Australian sides.
Slightly off topic, but trying to think how NPC could be reformed to dovetail with Superb Rugby.
Using the above as inspiration an NTC (National Territorial Cup).
Ten teams consisting of pairs associated with the five SR franchises, being:
Taniwha (N & NH)/Auckland (South of Bridge/CM) -- Blues
Waikato/Bays (BOP/PB/ECB/HB) -- Chiefs
Wellington/TMW Snorters -- Canes
Ta$man/Canterbury -- Saders
Otago/Southland -- ClanPlayed in same window as current NPC.
Given each NTC team might be 50% SR players, the standard ought to be good.
Sharing of expertise and coaching personal would allow dramatic reduction in overheads.
Round Robin, and maybe some type of final.
@pakman said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Mr-Fish said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Taniwha (Northland/North Harbour)
Blues (Auckland/Counties)
Chiefs (Waikato/Bay of Plenty)
Bulls (Taranaki)
Vikings (Hawke's Bay/Manawatu)
Hurricanes (Wellington)
Crusaders ( Ta$man/Canterbury)
Highlanders (Otago/Southland)Plus Moana Pasifika, Fijian Drua and the four remaining Australian sides.
Slightly off topic, but trying to think how NPC could be reformed to dovetail with Superb Rugby.
Using the above as inspiration an NTC (National Territorial Cup).
Ten teams consisting of pairs associated with the five SR franchises, being:
Taniwha (N & NH)/Auckland (South of Bridge/CM) -- Blues
Waikato/Bays (BOP/PB/ECB/HB) -- Chiefs
Wellington/TMW Snorters -- Canes
Ta$man/Canterbury -- Saders
Otago/Southland -- ClanPlayed in same window as current NPC.
Given each NTC team might be 50% SR players, the standard ought to be good.
Sharing of expertise and coaching personal would allow dramatic reduction in overheads.
Round Robin, and maybe some type of final.
HB ok
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While this big governance review is going on and possible changes to the national rugby structure, points for them to consider in no particular order:
- double round robin Super Rugby with an emphasis on home games in provincial cities, allocated days for different levels of rugby.
- NPC as an amateur competition for Senior A club players to aspire too.
- Super Rugby Development or under 21s played as a curtain raiser comp for 10-15 weeks
- Everything the same as it is now but with allocated days for rugby levels i.e pro rugby- Sunday, club - Saturday, junior and high school- midweek
- phase out super rugby when licences end and replace with PU 10 team pro comp starting June after 8 weeks of club.
- 10 High Performance districts instead of 31ish currently
- NZRPA create LIV Rugby and 200 players go off shore and we play amateur rugby
