Olympics Thread
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<p>I think the thing is if they keep dominating others will steer clear of the event just to avoid them, people have already chosen different events to avoid having to compete against them.</p>
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<p>That's the thing that frustrates me about rowing a bit. The core skills are more or less the same across the different boats, so countries just gear their selections towards places where they can win a medal.</p>
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<p>So other nations have no incentive to challenge Bond and Murray, because they know their efforts will be rewarded far greater in 4s and 8s. It doesn't make Bond and Murray any less great, but it does sadden me that they don't have any great rival to take them on.</p> -
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So other nations have no incentive to challenge Bond and Murray, because they know their efforts will be rewarded far greater in 4s and 8s. It doesn't make Bond and Murray any less great, but it does sadden me that they don't have any great rival to take them on.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Samoa might have their first Olympic medal... from the 2008 games:</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11700274'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11700274</a></p>
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<p>The silver and bronze medallists failed their retests.</p> -
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<p>That's the thing that frustrates me about rowing a bit. The core skills are more or less the same across the different boats, so countries just gear their selections towards places where they can win a medal.</p>
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<p>So other nations have no incentive to challenge Bond and Murray, because they know their efforts will be rewarded far greater in 4s and 8s. It doesn't make Bond and Murray any less great, but it does sadden me that they don't have any great rival to take them on.</p>
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<p>True. People like to crap on swimming but even though there are lots of events, one athlete can compete in multiple events so winning is still very hard. I don't think women were dropping the 800 free because Ledecky was so good.</p> -
<p>although in rowing is you can only have 1 boat per nation, so can only win 1 medal, unlike some other events where one country can win multiple medals in 1 final.</p>
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<p>Samoa might have their first Olympic medal... from the 2008 games:</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11700274'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11700274</a></p>
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<p>The silver and bronze medallists failed their retests.</p>
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<p>I'm going to be alone in this, but 8 years ago? For some reason, this feels pretty hollow to me. 8 years is a fucking long time after the fact to test. Maybe if you got away with it for that long, we just let it go?</p>
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<p>Not sure if being handed a medal 8 years after the fact is going to mean all that much either?</p> -
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<p>I'm going to be alone in this, but 8 years ago? For some reason, this feels pretty hollow to me. 8 years is a fucking long time after the fact to test. Maybe if you got away with it for that long, we just let it go?</p>
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<p>Not sure if being handed a medal 8 years after the fact is going to mean all that much either?</p>
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<p>They store samples and retest when the technology becomes more advanced. Dopers are always going to be ahead of the authorities.</p> -
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<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Not sure if being handed a medal 8 years after the fact is going to mean all that much either?</span></blockquote>
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<p>If you're a journalist it would make one hell of a story - a tiny nation robbed of its first chance to celebrate a medal due to drug cheats.</p> -
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I'm going to be alone in this, but 8 years ago? For some reason, this feels pretty hollow to me. 8 years is a fucking long time after the fact to test. Maybe if you got away with it for that long, we just let it go?<br><br>
Not sure if being handed a medal 8 years after the fact is going to mean all that much either?</p></blockquote>
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Yes it's a little hollow but I like the idea of chasing the cheats. Athletes shouldn't have to pump themselves full of carcinogens to compete and anything they can do - even shaming someone 8 years later - is good.<br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="mariner4life" data-cid="608785" data-time="1472088975">
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<p>I'm going to be alone in this, but 8 years ago? For some reason, this feels pretty hollow to me. 8 years is a fucking long time after the fact to test. Maybe if you got away with it for that long, we just let it go?</p>
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<p>Not sure if being handed a medal 8 years after the fact is going to mean all that much either?</p>
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<p>The statute of limitations on stripping medallists of their medals is ten years, so there's just two more years to catch Beijing Games cheaters but, frankly, it should be like 20 years because fuck em.</p>
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<p>And yeah, it might be a bit hollow for the legit winners but what good would letting the cheaters get away with it do?</p> -
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<p>They store samples and retest when the technology becomes more advanced. Dopers are always going to be ahead of the authorities.</p>
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<p>oh true.... jesus hydro, everyone knows that. </p>
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<p>Look, i get, and even completely understand the arguments for. Hell, i guess on one level i whole-heartedly agree with the procedure, even Unco's 20 years.</p>
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<p>It's just i heard that story and didn't get the same reaction i would have had it been Rio, or even London at a push. It just seems like a footnote now, rather than an achievement. </p> -
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<p>oh true.... jesus hydro, everyone knows that. </p>
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<p>Look, i get, and even completely understand the arguments for. Hell, i guess on one level i whole-heartedly agree with the procedure, even Unco's 20 years.</p>
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<p>It's just i heard that story and didn't get the same reaction i would have had it been Rio, or even London at a push. It just seems like a footnote now, rather than an achievement. </p>
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<p>I feel that way too. I would just feel even worse if drug cheats kept their medals.</p> -
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oh true.... jesus hydro, everyone knows that. <br><br>
Look, i get, and even completely understand the arguments for. Hell, i guess on one level i whole-heartedly agree with the procedure, even Unco's 20 years.<br><br>
It's just i heard that story and didn't get the same reaction i would have had it been Rio, or even London at a push. It just seems like a footnote now, rather than an achievement.</p></blockquote>
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It's not aimed at the 4th placed, now medalists. That's always going to be crappier that winning/medaling at the time.<br><br>
It's aimed as a disincentive at those who are prepared to cheat but still care about their legacy/reputation.<br><br>
Would not have much affect on those cheaters who only live in the now. -
<p>I'm all for going after drug cheaters 8, 10 hell even 15 years after the event. Look at the Carter example - its going to cost Bolt his triple-triple record and I'm guessing Jamaica could have won the gold running a donkey in place of Carter. Bolt is going to be pissed off - and the stuff I've read is Jamaica has a pretty dodgy testing program. If the Jamaicans had a good testing program they might have caught Carter before he went to Olympics. So the incentive is now for guys like Bolt and clean athletes to put pressure on their governing bodies to ensure drug cheats don't get selected.</p>
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<p>Its a bit like in rugby yellow carding props who aren't good enough to hold up a scrum. To me it aimed more at coaches who select guys who can't scrummage, pick a good/decent pack or you'll be playing with 14 men. Otherwise if we don't punish poor scrums we'll end up with 8 loose forwards</p> -
The first paragraph i can agree with. <br><br>
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Well the Paralympics has started:
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Some results from the Paralympics, with already two medals for New Zealanders:
Women's long jump T47 (athletics) - GOLD for Anna Grimaldi
Women's 100m backstroke S7 (swimming) - BRONZE for Rebecca Dubber and Nikita Howarth finishes 6th
Women's 3km (C4) individual pursuit (cycling) - Kate Horan finishes 4th in the finalMen's 200m freestyle S5 (swimming) - Cameron Leslie qualified 5th fastest for tonight's final.
All these athletes set personal best performances.
