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  • antipodeanA Online
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    Genius administrators spending more on elements that don't pay for themselves, and continuing to offer increases without acknowledgment of the cost pressures extant. And these are supposed to be educated professionals.

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    The said the quiet part out loud in that the woman's game is expensive.

    The woman's game is great for player numbers and getting new people into the game, but terrible from a revenue perspective.

    So you have existing teams with bloated salaries already loosing money and invest heavily in another area of the game that will lose you even more money. The first one itself will get you into enough trouble as it is.

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    CVC deal has sucked the life out of the Gallagher Premiership

    CVC deal has sucked the life out of the Gallagher Premiership

    Five years on from being promised an uplift in fortunes, England falls behind France, Japan and Ireland as a destination for international superstars . . . and TV money

    The numbers look like this: before CVC, the clubs were getting £40 million in TV money per season; soon they will be on £33 million and giving 27 per cent away. So the pot is only just over half what it was seven years ago.

    That's a 40% reduction in revenue.

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    @Windows97 said in Rugby Finances:

    The said the quiet part out loud in that the woman's game is expensive.

    The woman's game is great for player numbers and getting new people into the game, but terrible from a revenue perspective.

    So you have existing teams with bloated salaries already loosing money and invest heavily in another area of the game that will lose you even more money. The first one itself will get you into enough trouble as it is.

    I think in sports, participation at all levels is the primary goal and value in and of itself, so if this leads to increased female player numbers at club level (say), it's a useful item to spend money on.

    Harder to tell whether professional female teams and competitions will generate advertising and sponsorship revenue that make them self-sustaining in the long term, but as part of the 'shop window' so to speak, there is value separate from that.

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    England play Japan in a test in Tokyo next month en route to New Zealand but no UK broadcaster has shown enough interest in the game to secure coverage, raising the prospect that for the first time in decades, an English test may not screen in the Mother Country.

    Warriors, Sport, League, NRL

    Sports Insider: Folly of private equity play looms large over rugby's future

    Sports Insider: Folly of private equity play looms large over rugby's future

    ANALYSIS: What to do with the lemon that is Silver Lake.

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    Could be a cracking match

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    @Tim said in Rugby Finances:

    ANALYSIS: What to do with the lemon that is Silver Lake.

    Pay them. Forever. And ever and ever.

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    @Rapido said in Rugby Finances:

    @Tim said in Rugby Finances:

    ANALYSIS: What to do with the lemon that is Silver Lake.

    Pay them. Forever. And ever and ever.

    transfer any assets out of NZR too a new organisation NZRU....declare NZR bankrupt...forget silverlake exists?

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    Rugby Pass published this comparison last month:

    The Top 14’s annual broadcast revenue of $151.2 million far exceeds that of Super Rugby Pacific ($81.2 million), United Rugby Championship (URC) ($70 million) and Premiership Rugby ($42.9 million).

    If they converted currencies accurately, that would give Super Rugby clubs the second highest TV revenue per team. (Top 14 has 14 teams, Super Rugby 12, URC 16, and Guiness Premiership 12.)

    It will be interesting to see how long the Premiership lasts.

    French rugby's blockbuster TV deal leaves rival leagues in the dust

    French rugby's blockbuster TV deal leaves rival leagues in the dust

    New figures reveal that the French Top 14 has significantly widened the revenue gap with other domestic rugby competitions, thanks to a...

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    @Tim said in Rugby Finances:

    Rugby Pass published this comparison last month:

    The Top 14’s annual broadcast revenue of $151.2 million far exceeds that of Super Rugby Pacific ($81.2 million), United Rugby Championship (URC) ($70 million) and Premiership Rugby ($42.9 million).

    If they converted currencies accurately, that would give Super Rugby clubs the second highest TV revenue per team. (Top 14 has 14 teams, Super Rugby 12, URC 16, and Guiness Premiership 12.)

    It will be interesting to see how long the Premiership lasts.

    French rugby's blockbuster TV deal leaves rival leagues in the dust

    French rugby's blockbuster TV deal leaves rival leagues in the dust

    New figures reveal that the French Top 14 has significantly widened the revenue gap with other domestic rugby competitions, thanks to a...

    Does the Super Rugby deal not also include All Blacks fixtures and the NPC?

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    @Mr-Fish Yeah, they might have fucked that up. Would that be the figure for NZRU revenue from TV?

    This was their source:

    https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/canal-plus-top-14-pro-d2-rugby-broadcast-rights-2027-2032/

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    I think the current deal is about NZD 135m per year (100m to Sky, 35m to Stan), but that includes all levels, not just Super. NZR also previously claimed about 40 per cent of their deal with Sky was for the NPC but that's just them playing silly buggers.

    Worth noting that they'll be renegotiating at the moment, will be interesting to see what the deal is from 2025...

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    Yes that, as I mentioned before, for France it is only the club deal. Different planet than what SR is worth. I can't remember what percentage of the NZR deal was mentioned as SR portion, but it wasn't much. ABs is the lion's share

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    Bit of a financial squeeze happening.

    The NZR telecast rights deal is all teams and comps in.

    The broadcasters only really want the ABs, with a bit of extra content for channel filler thrown in. How the money is parcelled out is NZR business. Which, I guess, is what the current imbroglio is all about.

    The ABs are the only team in the profit column, therefore, the AB players and NZR administrators (unfortunately) are safe, whatever happens.

    All the other teams in New Zealand lose/cost money. Using the “parcel outs” from NZR to ultimately balance the books all the way down the pyramid.

    The real cost of SR right now would be very interesting to know. And right now, I don’t think anyone does. Can only be guessed at. Must be costing too much though – that’s why they want to cut the PUs out of the picture.

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    Probably the best thread for this interesting juxtaposition on twitter (X)

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    Filthy oil money for World Rugby isn't going to stop clubs over paying players. Rugby player salaries make no sense at 2nd tier level.

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