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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    Bovidae
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    #1254

    Stuff's NZ SR team of the season. Dominated by Hurricanes although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named. Also, for those who criticise Stevenson's defence from fullback, Love only has a 69% tackle success rate himself. More detail in the article below.

    https://www.thepress.co.nz/sport/350299605/super-rugby-team-season-hurricanes-take-charge

    15 Ruben Love (Hurricanes)
    14 Sevu Reece (Crusaders)
    13 Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
    12 Bryce Heem (Blues)
    11 Caleb Clarke (Blues)
    10 Damian McKenzie (Chiefs)
    9 TJ Perenara (Hurricanes)
    8 Hoskins Sotutu (Blues)
    7 Peter Lakai (Hurricanes)
    6 Cullen Grace (Crusaders)
    5 Fabian Holland (Highlanders)
    4 Patrick Tuipulotu (Blues)
    3 Tyrel Lomax (Hurricanes)
    2 Asafo Aumua (Hurricanes)
    1 Xavier Numia (Hurricanes)

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    • mariner4lifeM Online
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      #1255

      hard to disagree from what i watched and the chat on here

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      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

        @Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:

        the short term fix is working out how to only open the stand opposite the camera, i know none of these stadiums were designed to only partially open.....but it just seems obvious, some temp fencing or gates, pack these crowds in, start making it look like a fun place to spend a few hours

        This is happening more.

        For the most part the Cake Tin crowd are opposite the main camera.

        I've noticed this season Eden Park have closed most of the old eastern terraces which makes the north stand and corner stand look fuller.

        It works well.

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        #1256

        @KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2024:

        @Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:

        the short term fix is working out how to only open the stand opposite the camera, i know none of these stadiums were designed to only partially open.....but it just seems obvious, some temp fencing or gates, pack these crowds in, start making it look like a fun place to spend a few hours

        This is happening more.

        For the most part the Cake Tin crowd are opposite the main camera.

        I've noticed this season Eden Park have closed most of the old eastern terraces which makes the north stand and corner stand look fuller.

        It works well.

        Eden park obvious has too do it more being so big to start with, dont feel Forsyth barr does is much as i often think the crowd is disappointing and then you get a reverse angle and north stand is quite full

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        • BovidaeB Bovidae

          Stuff's NZ SR team of the season. Dominated by Hurricanes although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named. Also, for those who criticise Stevenson's defence from fullback, Love only has a 69% tackle success rate himself. More detail in the article below.

          https://www.thepress.co.nz/sport/350299605/super-rugby-team-season-hurricanes-take-charge

          15 Ruben Love (Hurricanes)
          14 Sevu Reece (Crusaders)
          13 Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
          12 Bryce Heem (Blues)
          11 Caleb Clarke (Blues)
          10 Damian McKenzie (Chiefs)
          9 TJ Perenara (Hurricanes)
          8 Hoskins Sotutu (Blues)
          7 Peter Lakai (Hurricanes)
          6 Cullen Grace (Crusaders)
          5 Fabian Holland (Highlanders)
          4 Patrick Tuipulotu (Blues)
          3 Tyrel Lomax (Hurricanes)
          2 Asafo Aumua (Hurricanes)
          1 Xavier Numia (Hurricanes)

          Canes4lifeC Offline
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          wrote on last edited by Canes4life
          #1257

          @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:

          Stuff's NZ SR team of the season. Dominated by Hurricanes although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named. Also, for those who criticise Stevenson's defence from fullback, Love only has a 69% tackle success rate himself. More detail in the article below.

          https://www.thepress.co.nz/sport/350299605/super-rugby-team-season-hurricanes-take-charge

          15 Ruben Love (Hurricanes)
          14 Sevu Reece (Crusaders)
          13 Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
          12 Bryce Heem (Blues)
          11 Caleb Clarke (Blues)
          10 Damian McKenzie (Chiefs)
          9 TJ Perenara (Hurricanes)
          8 Hoskins Sotutu (Blues)
          7 Peter Lakai (Hurricanes)
          6 Cullen Grace (Crusaders)
          5 Fabian Holland (Highlanders)
          4 Patrick Tuipulotu (Blues)
          3 Tyrel Lomax (Hurricanes)
          2 Asafo Aumua (Hurricanes)
          1 Xavier Numia (Hurricanes)

          That side seems pretty spot on for me apart from maybe Grace. Probably the first time in history we've had the form front row in the comp. Could be the reason we go all the way this year as long as Lomax gets back on the park.

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          • BovidaeB Bovidae

            Stuff's NZ SR team of the season. Dominated by Hurricanes although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named. Also, for those who criticise Stevenson's defence from fullback, Love only has a 69% tackle success rate himself. More detail in the article below.

            https://www.thepress.co.nz/sport/350299605/super-rugby-team-season-hurricanes-take-charge

            15 Ruben Love (Hurricanes)
            14 Sevu Reece (Crusaders)
            13 Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
            12 Bryce Heem (Blues)
            11 Caleb Clarke (Blues)
            10 Damian McKenzie (Chiefs)
            9 TJ Perenara (Hurricanes)
            8 Hoskins Sotutu (Blues)
            7 Peter Lakai (Hurricanes)
            6 Cullen Grace (Crusaders)
            5 Fabian Holland (Highlanders)
            4 Patrick Tuipulotu (Blues)
            3 Tyrel Lomax (Hurricanes)
            2 Asafo Aumua (Hurricanes)
            1 Xavier Numia (Hurricanes)

            DuluthD Offline
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            #1258

            @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:

            although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named

            It's ridiculous. He got slightly better in the final third of the season but he was abysmal early on. Some laughable efforts on defence.

            I'm guessing Cully felt he needed to include at least one from each franchise and there's been no standout at 6 (Finau slightly inconsistent, Ioane missed a lot of matches etc.. but they had far better seasons than Grace)

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            • KiwiMurphK Offline
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              #1259

              Looks pretty good to me with the exception of Grace. 12 is a tough one too - a few contenders.

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              • DuluthD Duluth

                @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:

                although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named

                It's ridiculous. He got slightly better in the final third of the season but he was abysmal early on. Some laughable efforts on defence.

                I'm guessing Cully felt he needed to include at least one from each franchise and there's been no standout at 6 (Finau slightly inconsistent, Ioane missed a lot of matches etc.. but they had far better seasons than Grace)

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                #1260

                @Duluth said in Super Rugby 2024:

                @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:

                although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named

                It's ridiculous. He got slightly better in the final third of the season but he was abysmal early on. Some laughable efforts on defence.

                I'm guessing Cully felt he needed to include at least one from each franchise and there's been no standout at 6 (Finau slightly inconsistent, Ioane missed a lot of matches etc.. but they had far better seasons than Grace)

                Flanders has also been pretty impressive for the Canes, almost to the point he's pushing Shields out of his spot.

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                • DuluthD Duluth

                  @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:

                  although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named

                  It's ridiculous. He got slightly better in the final third of the season but he was abysmal early on. Some laughable efforts on defence.

                  I'm guessing Cully felt he needed to include at least one from each franchise and there's been no standout at 6 (Finau slightly inconsistent, Ioane missed a lot of matches etc.. but they had far better seasons than Grace)

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                  #1261

                  @Duluth said in Super Rugby 2024:

                  @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:

                  although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named

                  It's ridiculous. He got slightly better in the final third of the season but he was abysmal early on. Some laughable efforts on defence.

                  They mention that Grace is in the top 10 of tackles made, not the number he missed. And Reece is included so there is a Crusader.

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                  • BovidaeB Bovidae

                    @Duluth said in Super Rugby 2024:

                    @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:

                    although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named

                    It's ridiculous. He got slightly better in the final third of the season but he was abysmal early on. Some laughable efforts on defence.

                    They mention that Grace is in the top 10 of tackles made, not the number he missed. And Reece is included so there is a Crusader.

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                    #1262

                    @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:

                    @Duluth said in Super Rugby 2024:

                    @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:

                    although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named

                    It's ridiculous. He got slightly better in the final third of the season but he was abysmal early on. Some laughable efforts on defence.

                    They mention that Grace is in the top 10 of tackles made, not the number he missed. And Reece is included so there is a Crusader.

                    I know that some people on here have been able to get their hands on stats harder to access, I'd be fascinated to see them for 6s.

                    If Grace gets named at 6, I'll fucking laugh my tits off. He's got talent but has been terrible / good / terrible / good. We don't need a pasty white Frizell.

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                    • BovidaeB Bovidae

                      @Duluth said in Super Rugby 2024:

                      @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:

                      although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named

                      It's ridiculous. He got slightly better in the final third of the season but he was abysmal early on. Some laughable efforts on defence.

                      They mention that Grace is in the top 10 of tackles made, not the number he missed. And Reece is included so there is a Crusader.

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                      #1263

                      @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:

                      They mention that Grace is in the top 10 of tackles made, not the number he missed

                      Number 4 on tackles missed. Behind only Tom Horton, Tamati Tua & Chase Tiatia

                      Number one on the worst defensive game by a single player with 8 misses in a match

                      The last 1/3 of the season I would say his defence has been fine. That first 2/3 was abysmal. He was a big factor in the early Crusaders losses

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                      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                        @Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:

                        the short term fix is working out how to only open the stand opposite the camera, i know none of these stadiums were designed to only partially open.....but it just seems obvious, some temp fencing or gates, pack these crowds in, start making it look like a fun place to spend a few hours

                        This is happening more.

                        For the most part the Cake Tin crowd are opposite the main camera.

                        I've noticed this season Eden Park have closed most of the old eastern terraces which makes the north stand and corner stand look fuller.

                        It works well.

                        canefanC Online
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                        #1264

                        @KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2024:

                        @Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:

                        the short term fix is working out how to only open the stand opposite the camera, i know none of these stadiums were designed to only partially open.....but it just seems obvious, some temp fencing or gates, pack these crowds in, start making it look like a fun place to spend a few hours

                        This is happening more.

                        For the most part the Cake Tin crowd are opposite the main camera.

                        I've noticed this season Eden Park have closed most of the old eastern terraces which makes the north stand and corner stand look fuller.

                        It works well.

                        The mask slips when it's time for a kick at goal

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                        • DuluthD Duluth

                          @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:

                          They mention that Grace is in the top 10 of tackles made, not the number he missed

                          Number 4 on tackles missed. Behind only Tom Horton, Tamati Tua & Chase Tiatia

                          Number one on the worst defensive game by a single player with 8 misses in a match

                          The last 1/3 of the season I would say his defence has been fine. That first 2/3 was abysmal. He was a big factor in the early Crusaders losses

                          BovidaeB Offline
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                          Bovidae
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                          #1265

                          @Duluth The number of tackles is an indication of workrate but for an international 6 I'd be wanting to see dominant tackles. Are those stats available?

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                          • BovidaeB Bovidae

                            @Duluth The number of tackles is an indication of workrate but for an international 6 I'd be wanting to see dominant tackles. Are those stats available?

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                            #1266

                            @Bovidae

                            I have dominant tackles for each match. Unfortunately I don't have season counts for that though

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                            • DuluthD Duluth

                              @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:

                              They mention that Grace is in the top 10 of tackles made, not the number he missed

                              Number 4 on tackles missed. Behind only Tom Horton, Tamati Tua & Chase Tiatia

                              Number one on the worst defensive game by a single player with 8 misses in a match

                              The last 1/3 of the season I would say his defence has been fine. That first 2/3 was abysmal. He was a big factor in the early Crusaders losses

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                              #1267

                              @Duluth Their whole loose trio was a mess, Gardner, him and Christie were awful together. It was ony when Blackadder and Lio-Willie (despite his shocker against the Brumbies) joined Grace where their loonies somewhat improved

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                              • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                The average attendance for each NZ team in Super Rugby has been finalised below. I miscalculated the Canes one initially because I factored in too many games.

                                Blues: average attendance of 21k
                                Hurricanes: average attendance of 16.1k
                                Chiefs: average attendance of 14.2k
                                Crusaders: average attendance of 12.6k
                                Highlanders: average attendance of 12.5k

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                                @Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2024:

                                The average attendance for each NZ team in Super Rugby has been finalised below. I miscalculated the Canes one initially because I factored in too many games.

                                Blues: average attendance of 21k
                                Hurricanes: average attendance of 16.1k
                                Chiefs: average attendance of 14.2k
                                Crusaders: average attendance of 12.6k
                                Highlanders: average attendance of 12.5k

                                Reposting this chart that @Tim Posted a while ago

                                download (4).jpeg

                                Blues would be third, Canes just behind the Bulls, Chiefs just behind Saracens

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                                • SouthernMannS Offline
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                                  #1269

                                  Shock horror. Super Rugby is popular. https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/350302600/sky-reports-16-surge-super-rugby-pacific-viewership

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                                    #1270

                                    https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/350302600/sky-reports-16-surge-super-rugby-pacific-viewership

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                                    • ChrisC Online
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                                      #1271

                                      I am not sure were to post the so have landed in this thread

                                      Aaron Mauger is the new Drua asst coach.

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                                      • SouthernMannS SouthernMann

                                        Shock horror. Super Rugby is popular. https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/350302600/sky-reports-16-surge-super-rugby-pacific-viewership

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                                        #1272

                                        @SouthernMann But but but, up dah wahz? League all day?

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                                          #1273

                                          Helps if people observe and comment on what is actually happening, and not parrot the trendy narrative from 4 or 5 years ago. Anyone who has watched rugby in the last few years could see it's been awesome. It's just not been cool to say so.

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