All Blacks vs England I
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I actually think a tight 1 point win and players being under massive pressure is a really good outcome. It shows exactly where we need to improve. What players need to step uo etc. Had we played Tonga and won by 70 we would be none the wiser.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England I:
Had we played Tonga and won by 70 we would be none the wiser.
We tonked world No.1, Ireland in the 1st Test in 2022 and no one complained. Worked out well...
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You can tell it's a really poor AB performance when the openside flanker has to go off his line frequently to help clean.
Apart from the scrum, that was a step backwards in every aspect. Little or no effective ball carrying up the middle. No connection between carriers and cleaners. Lots of shit side to side play. Lots of very poor kicking. Defense awful.
Few effective ball carriers in the team, and almost never used them repeatedly up the middle. Like one of those terrible "out-flank them" game plans that got smashed by South Africa in the bad old days.
Very much didn't look like there was any plan to control ball, territory, well anything?
Will have to be a hell of a lot better next week. Looked like a squad who had no idea how to play test rugby.
Finau looked fucking useless out there, but maybe it was just the shit game plan. Our tacklers certainly weren't in the right positions at all, and neither were cleaners.
Way too often we were tackling big English ball-carriers side on, almost like a cover tackle, and giving them plenty of time to get speed up. Really poor.
Of course the reserves looked better, it was an intense first 60 minutes ...
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs England I:
Same the other way D Mac timed out on a sitter
Inexcusable. Did no one in the coaching setup brief the players on the shot-clock?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs England I:
Same the other way D Mac timed out on a sitter
Inexcusable. Did no one in the coaching setup brief the players on the shot-clock?
They should known it would have been on the scoreboard counting down.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs England I:
Am I the only one who thought Christie was alright off the bench? Thought he controlled things and helped us close the game out well.
Just because he doesn't possess Aaron Smith's pass doesn't mean he didn't play well in other areas.
His box kicking was good and the chase (when there was one) put enormous pressure on England. Helped ensure we played in the right part of the field.
@antipodean It's the way I saw it too. I thought he was key to us closing it out.
On the Use it penalty, that was just a communication error between him and Savea. Savea probably just didn't hear the ref say use it, and Christie looked like he was expecting Savea to peel off and pass to him. Christie was completely to blame as a lot are pointing out.
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That was a tough test match with a very good English team.
I think they have the right players, and looked like they could break the game open in first half. But, got taught a good lesson in territory management and pressure. This was the teams first run and they will get better. Biggest issue is creating space in midfield. Reiko is not a crash centre.
Scott Barrett picked up from where he was last year - great work rate, low, body position, shifting players. Best player but thought Jordie, Patrick and Sevu also good.
Love Ref’s call on DM another taking penalty quickly enough. He was milking it.
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@Victor-Meldrew if Dmac had nailed his we would have won by more
If, but, maybe
Why is this forum so negative
England are a GOOD TEAM@MadGav said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Victor-Meldrew if Dmac had nailed his we would have won by more
If, but, maybe
Why is this forum so negative
England are a GOOD TEAMI think you are right. And they seem almost likeable!
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On the positive I enjoyed the game and really looking forward to next week. I am confident the coaches will grow over the season and adapt as they go.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England I:
On the positive I enjoyed the game and really looking forward to next week. I am confident the coaches will grow over the season and adapt as they go.
Proof will be the two match tour in SA. That's judgement right there
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@chucknz waaaaa
Robertson is inexperienced at international level and it showed. They had a shit game plan and wer almost beaten.
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Christie was fine, he just (same as TJ) needs to act rather than fuck about. Bullet pass Smith is missed, but more that fact he rarely wasted time at the ruck. Just play and don't wait
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England I:
Christie was fine, he just (same as TJ) needs to act rather than fuck about. Bullet pass Smith is missed, but more that fact he rarely wasted time at the ruck. Just play and don't wait
Christie gets better the longer the game has run. He did well today I though against some pretty decent England forwards.
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@chucknz waaaaa
Robertson is inexperienced at international level and it showed. They had a shit game plan and wer almost beaten.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs England I:
@chucknz waaaaa
Robertson is inexperienced at international level and it showed. They had a shit game plan and wer almost beaten.
You do want razor to fail, to prove he should've picked Sotutu and Akira tho, admit it - let it out, you'll feel better
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs England I:
@chucknz waaaaa
Robertson is inexperienced at international level and it showed. They had a shit game plan and wer almost beaten.
You do want razor to fail, to prove he should've picked Sotutu and Akira tho, admit it - let it out, you'll feel better
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs England I:
@chucknz waaaaa
Robertson is inexperienced at international level and it showed. They had a shit game plan and wer almost beaten.
You do want razor to fail, to prove he should've picked Sotutu and Akira tho, admit it
Tbf the Blues back row would have been an improvement on tonight for me.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England I:
Had we played Tonga and won by 70 we would be none the wiser.
We tonked world No.1, Ireland in the 1st Test in 2022 and no one complained. Worked out well...
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England I:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England I:
Had we played Tonga and won by 70 we would be none the wiser.
We tonked world No.1, Ireland in the 1st Test in 2022 and no one complained. Worked out well...
Oh yeah I remember that test match because that’s the one where we had Whitelock, Retallick, Aaron Smith, Sam Cane playing. Handy bit of experience to call upon….
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs England I:
@chucknz waaaaa
Robertson is inexperienced at international level and it showed. They had a shit game plan and wer almost beaten.
You do want razor to fail, to prove he should've picked Sotutu and Akira tho, admit it - let it out, you'll feel better
@Machpants A poor game plan wouldn't show that. It just makes all the players, Blues included, look bad.
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You have to wonder if people are suffering from collective amnesia. I'm 45 and the ABs have generally served up shite in the 1st test in every one of those years.
No need to panic just yet. -
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs England I:
@chucknz waaaaa
Robertson is inexperienced at international level and it showed. They had a shit game plan and wer almost beaten.
You do want razor to fail, to prove he should've picked Sotutu and Akira tho, admit it
Tbf the Blues back row would have been an improvement on tonight for me.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs England I:
@chucknz waaaaa
Robertson is inexperienced at international level and it showed. They had a shit game plan and wer almost beaten.
You do want razor to fail, to prove he should've picked Sotutu and Akira tho, admit it
Tbf the Blues back row would have been an improvement on tonight for me.
Yeah, it wasn't great. Finau was a no show, and Ardie was still in Japan mode. Paps not exactly shining either
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England should start Baby Face Nelson (ranga prop), Spencer and Finn Smith next week
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You have to wonder if people are suffering from collective amnesia. I'm 45 and the ABs have generally served up shite in the 1st test in every one of those years.
No need to panic just yet.@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs England I:
You have to wonder if people are suffering from collective amnesia. I'm 45 and the ABs have generally served up shite in the 1st test in every one of those years.
No need to panic just yet.2022 was not that long ago
