All Blacks vs England I

[Daffy Jaffy]

Highlights with the English commentary -

[Chris B.]

Very pleased to get the win - 10 days in camp with a rebuild squad - I was very apprehensive about this game.

Unavailable from the 23 that played in the final 6 months ago - Retallick, Frizell, Cane, Smith, Mo'unga, Jordan, Taukei'aho, Laulala, Whitelock - plus squaddies Coles, Roigard and Fainga'anuku.

That's a shitload of depth to have to replace.

Not surprised that we didn't see too much in the way of a discernable new pattern. Have to be very careful about downloading too much new stuff in 10 days.

Get through these three games - then we've got three weeks before the Rugby Championship - I'd hope to see some significant new stuff emerging as we progress through that.

A baseline performance put down - lots to work on this week - and, importantly, a win!

[BerniesCorner]

@mencey said in All Blacks vs England I:

@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England I:

On the positive I enjoyed the game and really looking forward to next week. I am confident the coaches will grow over the season and adapt as they go.

This is the first test and people on here are shitting themselves. I have complete and utter confidence in Razor and his team. in 3 years and 7 years time when we are winning our 4th and 5th world cup all the criticism will be laughed at.

I'm having what your having

[Duluth]

I skimmed through the stats.. A lot of things more or less even

England had to make a lot more tackles (198 v 109). Despite that the carry metres were similar (NZ 337m v 332m)

Some of the carry stats

	NZ	Eng
carries_metres	337m	332m
carry_dominant	44	30
carry_ineffective	3	7
carry_neutral	94	47
ruck_over_gainline_percent	33%	45%
ruck_speed 0-3secs	73	34
ruck_speed 0-3secs %	62%	45%

So we got plenty of ball & lots of it quick. However England stopped us making much ground

Looking at the dominant carries it's interesting how many of them were from backs:

Both teams weren't great on defence, only 77% for NZ and 76% for England. I would hope that is about learning a new system.

[Machpants]

Could we have tackles and turnovers won, please? ESPN, even if not there most accurate, don't have anything at all

[Duluth]

@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England I:

Could we have tackles and turnovers won, please? ESPN, even if not there most accurate, don't have anything at all

Turnovers won

Tackles

Player	Made	Missed
Papali'i	15	2
S Barrett	9	1
Finau	9	3
Taylor	8	2
Savea	8	0
EDG	7	1
Tuipulotu	7	1
Christie	7	3
Lomax	7	1
McKenzie	7	0

Here's the ruck arrivals too:

[MN5]

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England I:

@mencey said in All Blacks vs England I:

@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England I:

On the positive I enjoyed the game and really looking forward to next week. I am confident the coaches will grow over the season and adapt as they go.

This is the first test and people on here are shitting themselves. I have complete and utter confidence in Razor and his team. in 3 years and 7 years time when we are winning our 4th and 5th world cup all the criticism will be laughed at.

I'm having what your having

A massive cup of Hubris by the looks of it. How embarrassing.

[Victor Meldrew]

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England I:

Fucking laughable rankings. Ardie rated higher than Jordie? Marcus Smith a better game than Furbank? What game did this fuckwit Winston Aldworth watch?

At least he got Itoje right. Completely different player now Borthwick's got his head right.

[Machpants]

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England I:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England I:

Fucking laughable rankings. Ardie rated higher than Jordie? Marcus Smith a better game than Furbank? What game did this fuckwit Winston Aldworth watch?

At least he got Itoje right. Completely different player now Borthwick's got his head right.

Still screams like a fuckwit at every oppo lineout, the tosser

[Victor Meldrew]

@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England I:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England I:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England I:

Fucking laughable rankings. Ardie rated higher than Jordie? Marcus Smith a better game than Furbank? What game did this fuckwit Winston Aldworth watch?

At least he got Itoje right. Completely different player now Borthwick's got his head right.

Still screams like a fuckwit at every oppo lineout, the tosser

Worked though.

[MN5]

@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England I:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England I:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England I:

Fucking laughable rankings. Ardie rated higher than Jordie? Marcus Smith a better game than Furbank? What game did this fuckwit Winston Aldworth watch?

At least he got Itoje right. Completely different player now Borthwick's got his head right.

Still screams like a fuckwit at every oppo lineout, the tosser

This is really trying to stretch the hate. He’s no Matt Dawson.

[voodoo]

@Duluth said in All Blacks vs England I:

@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England I:

Could we have tackles and turnovers won, please? ESPN, even if not there most accurate, don't have anything at all

Turnovers won

Tackles

Player	Made	Missed
Papali'i	15	2
S Barrett	9	1
Finau	9	3
Taylor	8	2
Savea	8	0
EDG	7	1
Tuipulotu	7	1
Christie	7	3
Lomax	7	1
McKenzie	7	0

Here's the ruck arrivals too:

PT with 14??? How much of that is gameplan - seems damn lazy otherwise.

[nzzp]

Finau missing by the look of it - confirms the eye test a bit

[gt12]

@nzzp

Looks like two players from 4-8 are doing most of the heavy lifting. Papalii is limited but he works, while Scooter continues his grunt work. From looking at that, we’ve got the continuing Savea issue, the need for Finau to get more involved across the game, and the case of Pat T who again doesn’t seem to quite bring his work rate to this level.

I feel like the last one is the more pressing issue.

They won’t do anything to address the loose forward issue, and adding Blackadder may make our 75% functioning line out even worse.

I’m prepared to say that we’d likely have gotten roughly the same out of Sotutu in the Ardie role, with the added benefit of a real line out option.

[Billy Tell]

Robertson is a breath of fresh air with the press: open, honest, doesn’t blame others, stands up for his players.

[Canes4life]

@gt12 said in All Blacks vs England I:

@nzzp

Looks like two players from 4-8 are doing most of the heavy lifting. Papalii is limited but he works, while Scooter continues his grunt work. From looking at that, we’ve got the continuing Savea issue, the need for Finau to get more involved across the game, and the case of Pat T who again doesn’t seem to quite bring his work rate to this level.

I feel like the last one is the more pressing issue.

They won’t do anything to address the loose forward issue, and adding Blackadder may make our 75% functioning line out even worse.

I’m prepared to say that we’d likely have gotten roughly the same out of Sotutu in the Ardie role, with the added benefit of a real line out option.

Lol Ardie hasn't played for 2 months, he's only going to get better. Based on the WC final last year we know where Ardie can get to and that's not a ceiling Sotutu can reach IMO.

Dalton needs to do more, if he's meant to be our dominant tackler at seven then simply falling off tackles when the game is on the line isn't good enough. Same goes for Finau. That's why I wouldn't mind seeing Blackadder in the mix next week, whether it be at 6 or 7.

[nzzp]

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs England I:

that's not a ceiling Sotutu can reach IMO.

is that a height joke again?

[antipodean]

I'd give the same forward pack another go of it at Eden Park. Some times you can do everything right and the game doesn't come to you.

[pukunui]

@nzzp said in All Blacks vs England I:

Finau missing by the look of it - confirms the eye test a bit

Worth noting he was only on for 60mins. So would have finished higher on various stats if he kept the same rate up.
Only his second or third test so we shouldn’t expect Kaino mkII straight away.

[Frank]

Patty T's stats are pretty shit.
Huge difference between him and Scooter.
I hope that is something to do with gameplan and positioning.
Else, he really isn't pulling his weight.