All Blacks vs England 2
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Genuinely surprised at the aversion to a visible shot clock. If we are worried about time wasting then just shorten the time on the clock. Why wouldn’t we want a single source of truth, visible to all parties? I used to kick, and having a ref in my ear telling me “20 seconds” then “10 seconds” sounds bloody annoying.
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Genuinely surprised at the aversion to a visible shot clock. If we are worried about time wasting then just shorten the time on the clock. Why wouldn’t we want a single source of truth, visible to all parties? I used to kick, and having a ref in my ear telling me “20 seconds” then “10 seconds” sounds bloody annoying.
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Genuinely surprised at the aversion to a visible shot clock. If we are worried about time wasting then just shorten the time on the clock. Why wouldn’t we want a single source of truth, visible to all parties? I used to kick, and having a ref in my ear telling me “20 seconds” then “10 seconds” sounds bloody annoying.
Yeah true, seems much easier to break your concentration to turn and look at a shot clock.
I don't see any great aversion to it, it just seems very unnecessary. But I can understand the desire for it when one AB kicker fell foul of timekeeping once, in one game.
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It's a good lesson for the ABs (and good from their POV that they learned it in a game where it didn't cost them the match, unlike Australia).
McKenzie takes a long time to kick goals and then Chiefs have dealt with that by rushing the tee out onto the park. I'm sure the ABs will do something similar moving forward.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan no worries mate I’ll pass it onto him today when I see him.
If he shaved his head would you still comment on his hair. Who gives a fuck that he’s trying to save the last bit of hair he has.I just think it's funny a guy with the nickname "Razor" has a comb over. Most guys these days (like me) just shave their head and get on with life.
Kirwan, I say this with full respect, taking into account your many years of work to keep the Fern ticking over and generally just the right amount of robust debate across rugby topics, but . . . your "Crafty Comb" nickname for Robertson is probably one of the lamest things I've seen in a long time.
And this is from someone who has had shares in a lot of slow horses, so I know lame when I see it.
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan no worries mate I’ll pass it onto him today when I see him.
If he shaved his head would you still comment on his hair. Who gives a fuck that he’s trying to save the last bit of hair he has.I just think it's funny a guy with the nickname "Razor" has a comb over. Most guys these days (like me) just shave their head and get on with life.
Kirwan, I say this with full respect, taking into account your many years of work to keep the Fern ticking over and generally just the right amount of robust debate across rugby topics, but . . . your "Crafty Comb" nickname for Robertson is probably one of the lamest things I've seen in a long time.
And this is from someone who has had shares in a lot of slow horses, so I know lame when I see it.
I thought the same about all the Fat Foster jokes, tbh.
I’ll try to be more creative when mocking his vanity
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@Smudge said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Kirwan no worries mate I’ll pass it onto him today when I see him.
If he shaved his head would you still comment on his hair. Who gives a fuck that he’s trying to save the last bit of hair he has.I just think it's funny a guy with the nickname "Razor" has a comb over. Most guys these days (like me) just shave their head and get on with life.
Kirwan, I say this with full respect, taking into account your many years of work to keep the Fern ticking over and generally just the right amount of robust debate across rugby topics, but . . . your "Crafty Comb" nickname for Robertson is probably one of the lamest things I've seen in a long time.
And this is from someone who has had shares in a lot of slow horses, so I know lame when I see it.
I thought the same about all the Fat Foster jokes, tbh.
I’ll try to be more creative when mocking his vanity
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Genuinely surprised at the aversion to a visible shot clock. If we are worried about time wasting then just shorten the time on the clock. Why wouldn’t we want a single source of truth, visible to all parties? I used to kick, and having a ref in my ear telling me “20 seconds” then “10 seconds” sounds bloody annoying.
Yeah true, seems much easier to break your concentration to turn and look at a shot clock.
I don't see any great aversion to it, it just seems very unnecessary. But I can understand the desire for it when one AB kicker fell foul of timekeeping once, in one game.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Genuinely surprised at the aversion to a visible shot clock. If we are worried about time wasting then just shorten the time on the clock. Why wouldn’t we want a single source of truth, visible to all parties? I used to kick, and having a ref in my ear telling me “20 seconds” then “10 seconds” sounds bloody annoying.
Yeah true, seems much easier to break your concentration to turn and look at a shot clock.
I don't see any great aversion to it, it just seems very unnecessary. But I can understand the desire for it when one AB kicker fell foul of timekeeping once, in one game.
I’d say if it was me, I’d want to take a look at the clock at [40]s to make sure I was starting my routine then wouldn’t look again. Guess everyone would be different.
One consequence of a visible shot clock would be unruly and uncouth crowds counting down on every attempt. The English wouldn’t know what to do with themselves!
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Maybe they should have a guy on a loudspeaker. He can count down from ten. Could even have it in Maori and also sign language.
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Maybe they should have a guy on a loudspeaker. He can count down from ten. Could even have it in Maori and also sign language.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Maybe they should have a guy on a loudspeaker. He can count down from ten. Could even have it in Maori and also sign language.
Would be an improvement on Sweet Caroline
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
Nic Gill was partially to blame as he took far too long getting the tee to DMac.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
Nic Gill was partially to blame as he took far too long getting the tee to DMac.
Back in my day we were heeling the dirt and placing the ball right on the turf. No need for this technology
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
Nic Gill was partially to blame as he took far too long getting the tee to DMac.
Back in my day we were heeling the dirt and placing the ball right on the turf. No need for this technology
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
Nic Gill was partially to blame as he took far too long getting the tee to DMac.
Back in my day we were heeling the dirt and placing the ball right on the turf. No need for this technology
Rip the boot off and kick it with the socked foot
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
The 2024 Crusaders pack!??Consistently?!?
Jeepers. The Cantabs made less fuss about how good their team was after seven years. You guys are going to be unbearable if you win any more championships.
We get that your new coach is very good, and has a better game plan than the others. That doesn't suddenly mean all your players are superstars.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
The 2024 Crusaders pack!??Consistently?!?
Jeepers. The Cantabs made less fuss about how good their team was after seven years. You guys are going to be unbearable if you win any more championships.
Totally unfair. Some of us have been insufferable even during the (many) bad years!
We get that your new coach is very good, and has a better game plan than the others. That doesn't suddenly mean all your players are superstars.
This is true. But the main point of my post was it was unfair to deride Hoskin's level of physicality given a. the year he had and b. how he didn't get the chance to show his level of physicality on Saturday. And I guess I risked a provincial shitfight by pointing out the level of the Crusaders' pack but give a thought for Sotutu and A Ioane: they play wide and loose and get pilloried. They play tight, hard and consistently and it must be due to the coach. Can't win, don't try!
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Genuinely surprised at the aversion to a visible shot clock. If we are worried about time wasting then just shorten the time on the clock. Why wouldn’t we want a single source of truth, visible to all parties? I used to kick, and having a ref in my ear telling me “20 seconds” then “10 seconds” sounds bloody annoying.
Yeah true, seems much easier to break your concentration to turn and look at a shot clock.
I don't see any great aversion to it, it just seems very unnecessary. But I can understand the desire for it when one AB kicker fell foul of timekeeping once, in one game.
I’d say if it was me, I’d want to take a look at the clock at [40]s to make sure I was starting my routine then wouldn’t look again. Guess everyone would be different.
One consequence of a visible shot clock would be unruly and uncouth crowds counting down on every attempt. The English wouldn’t know what to do with themselves!
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
One consequence of a visible shot clock would be unruly and uncouth crowds counting down on every attempt. The English wouldn’t know what to do with themselves!
That's a good point. I can see that becoming a thing. It'll be more fun than booing or whistling.
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Genuinely surprised at the aversion to a visible shot clock. If we are worried about time wasting then just shorten the time on the clock. Why wouldn’t we want a single source of truth, visible to all parties? I used to kick, and having a ref in my ear telling me “20 seconds” then “10 seconds” sounds bloody annoying.
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Genuinely surprised at the aversion to a visible shot clock. If we are worried about time wasting then just shorten the time on the clock. Why wouldn’t we want a single source of truth, visible to all parties? I used to kick, and having a ref in my ear telling me “20 seconds” then “10 seconds” sounds bloody annoying.
Slightly OT: but I’ve been wanting the NBA to have a shot clock for free throws. The whole leave it in the hands of the ref is a bit of a farce because none of the superstars ever get called.
My only issue is that the introduction of a visible clock should only come with a shortening of the allotted time to take the kick. It’s already too long.
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Seems like good crowd entertainment, and would remove any referee ambiguity, I really can't see any reason not to have it. Kicker does not have to look at it if they don't want to.
Kickers often use the entire time as it is, so I can't see how they could waste more time. Game clock should probably be stopped anyway. -
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
Nic Gill was partially to blame as he took far too long getting the tee to DMac.
Back in my day we were heeling the dirt and placing the ball right on the turf. No need for this technology
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
Nic Gill was partially to blame as he took far too long getting the tee to DMac.
Back in my day we were heeling the dirt and placing the ball right on the turf. No need for this technology
A small bucket of sand was a major evolutionary advancement.
They reckon Don Clarke use to do toe hackers with bare feet from half way using a leather ball. -
Seems like good crowd entertainment, and would remove any referee ambiguity, I really can't see any reason not to have it. Kicker does not have to look at it if they don't want to.
Kickers often use the entire time as it is, so I can't see how they could waste more time. Game clock should probably be stopped anyway.@Darren said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Seems like good crowd entertainment, and would remove any referee ambiguity, I really can't see any reason not to have it. Kicker does not have to look at it if they don't want to.
Kickers often use the entire time as it is, so I can't see how they could waste more time. Game clock should probably be stopped anyway.Of course the opposition wags in the crowd are going to count down from 60.
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Shot clock = much ado about nothing.
Dmac will unlikely get close to missing one like that again...shot clock or not.
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Interestingly in this case the ref was correct in calling it took too long (1 min 9 secs) and also wrong in that he called 10 seconds, then blew the whistle after 8. That's why you need a shot clock. But IMO 45 seconds is more than enough, 30 for a penalty. Let's get on with it!
Referee Amushekeli awarded the penalty and stood the mark at 77:08 on the match clock. McKenzie indicated he would kick for goal and the referee signalled that a shot would be taken at 77:22. At 77:59 the referee can be heard to say “20 seconds”. At 78:11 he says “ten seconds”. Finally at 78:19, eight seconds after he called ten seconds, with McKenzie about to start his run-up, Amushekeli blew his whistle and called a scrum.
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I think the team needs to be careful when they say they going for goal too, and tee person needs to be awake. They should make sure tee is pretty close before saying we taking kick I think. Same as conversion, if a team scores a try and stands up, if I was ooposition I would 'accidently' kick the ball further away, and try scorers are going to have to learn no excited throwing the ball away etc.
