All Blacks vs England 2
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Interestingly in this case the ref was correct in calling it took too long (1 min 9 secs) and also wrong in that he called 10 seconds, then blew the whistle after 8. That's why you need a shot clock. But IMO 45 seconds is more than enough, 30 for a penalty. Let's get on with it!
Referee Amushekeli awarded the penalty and stood the mark at 77:08 on the match clock. McKenzie indicated he would kick for goal and the referee signalled that a shot would be taken at 77:22. At 77:59 the referee can be heard to say “20 seconds”. At 78:11 he says “ten seconds”. Finally at 78:19, eight seconds after he called ten seconds, with McKenzie about to start his run-up, Amushekeli blew his whistle and called a scrum.
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Interestingly in this case the ref was correct in calling it took too long (1 min 9 secs) and also wrong in that he called 10 seconds, then blew the whistle after 8. That's why you need a shot clock. But IMO 45 seconds is more than enough, 30 for a penalty. Let's get on with it!
Referee Amushekeli awarded the penalty and stood the mark at 77:08 on the match clock. McKenzie indicated he would kick for goal and the referee signalled that a shot would be taken at 77:22. At 77:59 the referee can be heard to say “20 seconds”. At 78:11 he says “ten seconds”. Finally at 78:19, eight seconds after he called ten seconds, with McKenzie about to start his run-up, Amushekeli blew his whistle and called a scrum.
Worth noting that the clock actually stopped when it had hit time up, so while technically it said 78:19, it had definitely been 10 seconds.
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Blame the last coaches for not creating depth then.
How do we reckon Hoskins would’ve gone in the tight stuff on Saturday night. He wouldn’t have handled it. That’s why he wasn’t picked.Jesus christ, how do you type this rubbish with two hands around Razors dick?
For one, one of the main coaches from the last lot is still there anyway. But it's not their job to create depth for the next coach. Razor isn't selecting Jacobson and Blackadder for the depth of the next coach.
Secondly, Sotutu would have been as good/bad as any of the loosies that played on the day in the tight stuff. You haven't watched the Blues this year if you think otherwise.
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No complaints re shot clock but I think we can expect a few fans chanting it down once in to the final 10, particular for opposition players.
@JK said in All Blacks vs England 2:
No complaints re shot clock but I think we can expect a few fans chanting it down once in to the final 10, particular for opposition players.
Or having a bit of fun with it by starting a 10 countdown when there is still 20 seconds to go and then letting out a yell to try and throw would be kickers off if they are still trying their approach.
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@JK said in All Blacks vs England 2:
No complaints re shot clock but I think we can expect a few fans chanting it down once in to the final 10, particular for opposition players.
Or having a bit of fun with it by starting a 10 countdown when there is still 20 seconds to go and then letting out a yell to try and throw would be kickers off if they are still trying their approach.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@JK said in All Blacks vs England 2:
No complaints re shot clock but I think we can expect a few fans chanting it down once in to the final 10, particular for opposition players.
Or having a bit of fun with it by starting a 10 countdown when there is still 20 seconds to go and then letting out a yell to try and throw would be kickers off if they are still trying their approach.
Hah that would get some panic going.
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At a guess, when the English kick penalties or conversions, a good part of the crowd will loudly countdown with the shot clock to pressure him.
@Frank be better than booing....
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@Machpants it is a surprise eh. Usually we got indications early ... clearly a different ship being run?
So hard to hide these days; people see folk running together on teh field, etc ...
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@Nepia the stats clearly show that Sotutu is well below the other loosies selected when it comes to the tough stuff:
@Stag said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Nepia the stats clearly show that Sotutu is well below the other loosies selected when it comes to the tough stuff:
Lies, damn lies and statistics. Sotutu was used for the Blues in a similar way that teams use Savea.
Sotutu's job was to pass (kick!) and run (and score trys). We had hardworking flankers to cover the rest, otherwise known as balance. He's pretty much like for like cover for Savea.
If he was asked to play a tighter role, he has the ability and fitness to do that. This reminds of when the Blues used to play Akira out wide and people complained about his workrate. When Cotter (and the ABs) wanted him closer in, he did it with ease.
IMO, player that can play multiple stlyes is useful for a squad, but what the fuck do I know.
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@Kirwan yeah the stats can be so misleading if you don't know what the player was meant to be doing. Example from last weekend is Pat T was used as a ball runner as he's so effective at that, which means he will always hit less rucks, as if he's at the bottom of a ruck he won't be available to take the ball. SB and Dalts clearly had a direction to smash into every ruck they could to free up the likes of Pat T to perform other roles.
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@george33 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Beauden Barrett to 15, Perofeta on the bench
Ugh not good sauce, perofeta deserves another shot
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@george33 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Beauden Barrett to 15, Perofeta on the bench
Ugh not good sauce, perofeta deserves another shot
would be annoying if true, perofeta had the kind of game that he could have built on, no howlers, couple of very tidy moments
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@george33 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Beauden Barrett to 15, Perofeta on the bench
Phew - coming from you, that means Perofeta is guaranteed to start at 15 again
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I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
The reason you need a clock is because you are time wasting. You are either trying to prevent a kickoff, use up time during a card, or burn time at the end of the match because you are in front. All negative time wasting
Kiwis get all hot about time wasting in other areas of the game but not this one
Also, fans should criticise their player when they fuck up not the officials. It shouldn't be their job to hand hold you during time wasting. At most a ref should say "Hurry up"
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
The reason you need a clock is because you are time wasting. You are either trying to prevent a kickoff, use up time during a card, or burn time at the end of the match because you are in front. All negative time wasting
Kiwis get all hot about time wasting in other areas of the game but not this one
Also, fans should criticise their player when they fuck up not the officials. It shouldn't be their job to hand hold you during time wasting. At most a ref should say "Hurry up"
The ref warned DMac. He seems to just ignore. Maybe with a shot clock a team mate could stand close by and tell him to hurry TFU
