All Blacks vs England 2
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@frugby The fern logic, the less you play, the higher you get rated.
Man, this forum is crazy. We're in a transition period and things will take time getting used to. Like yeah, players had indifferent nights, but if it were up to people on Here, we'd make about 13 changes a test just to get peoples favourites in. They're still finding their feet and getting used to things under a nee coaching system. It always seems to be the same parochial bias as well which clouds everyone's judgement.
I hear what you say, but in the last 2-3 years the rules have been:
- If a player has a bad night or makes a mistake - blame the coach for selecting him
- If a team needs to find its feet - blame the coach for poor preparation
- If the ABs lose - blame the coach for not selecting the team the Fern wants
- If a selection doesn't come off - blame the coach for getting it wrong
- If a Fern selection doesn't come off - still blame the coach for getting it wrong
I think that's it...
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@frugby The fern logic, the less you play, the higher you get rated.
Man, this forum is crazy. We're in a transition period and things will take time getting used to. Like yeah, players had indifferent nights, but if it were up to people on Here, we'd make about 13 changes a test just to get peoples favourites in. They're still finding their feet and getting used to things under a nee coaching system. It always seems to be the same parochial bias as well which clouds everyone's judgement.
I hear what you say, but in the last 2-3 years the rules have been:
- If a player has a bad night or makes a mistake - blame the coach for selecting him
- If a team needs to find its feet - blame the coach for poor preparation
- If the ABs lose - blame the coach for not selecting the team the Fern wants
- If a selection doesn't come off - blame the coach for getting it wrong
- If a Fern selection doesn't come off - still blame the coach for getting it wrong
I think that's it...
There is some truth to that, but I also think there is some general acceptance that the issues the ABs have now are genuine personnel problems, which other than arguably the loose forwards, can't be fixed by just playing someone else.
I think other than those who like Sotutu, most would agree that last night's 23 is pretty close to the best one available (maybe barring Christie starting?) every other change would hardly make a major difference.
Foster on the other hand had our best-ever lock pairing, Smith and Mo'unga etc. and persisted with players who weren't performing on reputation.
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I think we've also seen why the coaches wanted to bring back Whitelock, Frizell and Mo'unga.
Undeniable that all three massively upgrade the team because they possess things that others simply don't have.
@frugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I think we've also seen why the coaches wanted to bring back Whitelock, Frizell and Mo'unga.
Undeniable that all three massively upgrade the team because they possess things that others simply don't have.
I’ve ever seen such a nice write up of Frizell on here.
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@frugby The fern logic, the less you play, the higher you get rated.
Man, this forum is crazy. We're in a transition period and things will take time getting used to. Like yeah, players had indifferent nights, but if it were up to people on Here, we'd make about 13 changes a test just to get peoples favourites in. They're still finding their feet and getting used to things under a nee coaching system. It always seems to be the same parochial bias as well which clouds everyone's judgement.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Man, this forum is crazy. We're in a transition period and things will take time getting used to. Like yeah, players had indifferent nights, but if it were up to people on Here, we'd make about 13 changes a test just to get peoples favourites in. They're still finding their feet and getting used to things under a nee coaching system. It always seems to be the same parochial bias as well which clouds everyone's judgement.
Yeah - there's some weird stuff being written.
Honestly, last year this team is about the strength of team we were running out to play Namibia.
We've been shorn of Coles, Taukei'aho, Laulala, Retallick, Whitelock, Lord, Frizell, Cane, Aaron Smith, Roigard, Perenara, Mo'unga, Jordan, Fainga'anuku and doubtless a few others I'm overlooking. Nine guys who played in the RWC final.
And we've just beaten England 2-0 with a couple of weeks prep. I'm delighted and slightly surprised.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I think we've also seen why the coaches wanted to bring back Whitelock, Frizell and Mo'unga.
Undeniable that all three massively upgrade the team because they possess things that others simply don't have.
I’ve ever seen such a nice write up of Frizell on here.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I think we've also seen why the coaches wanted to bring back Whitelock, Frizell and Mo'unga.
Undeniable that all three massively upgrade the team because they possess things that others simply don't have.
I’ve ever seen such a nice write up of Frizell on here.
He's been fluffed by multiple posters in the thread. It's like we're infected by Frizell bots.
If we're all being honest, Mo's getting overhyped too, the longer he's away the better his test performances have become.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I think we've also seen why the coaches wanted to bring back Whitelock, Frizell and Mo'unga.
Undeniable that all three massively upgrade the team because they possess things that others simply don't have.
I’ve ever seen such a nice write up of Frizell on here.
He's been fluffed by multiple posters in the thread. It's like we're infected by Frizell bots.
If we're all being honest, Mo's getting overhyped too, the longer he's away the better his test performances have become.
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I think we've also seen why the coaches wanted to bring back Whitelock, Frizell and Mo'unga.
Undeniable that all three massively upgrade the team because they possess things that others simply don't have.
I’ve ever seen such a nice write up of Frizell on here.
> He's been fluffed by multiple posters in the thread. It's like we're infected by Frizell bots.
If we're all being honest, Mo's getting overhyped too, the longer he's away the better his test performances have become.
Hmmmm, I always got the impression all he did was steal caps from Akira Ioane ?
That test against SA was something else though, his power and ball running were something else. Shame he was inconsistent
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I think we've also seen why the coaches wanted to bring back Whitelock, Frizell and Mo'unga.
Undeniable that all three massively upgrade the team because they possess things that others simply don't have.
@frugby I've been impressed by DMac. Think he's looked great now that he knows his role in the team and that he'll get an extended run there.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I think we've also seen why the coaches wanted to bring back Whitelock, Frizell and Mo'unga.
Undeniable that all three massively upgrade the team because they possess things that others simply don't have.
I’ve ever seen such a nice write up of Frizell on here.
He's been fluffed by multiple posters in the thread. It's like we're infected by Frizell bots.
If we're all being honest, Mo's getting overhyped too, the longer he's away the better his test performances have become.
@Nepia "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone."
Told you guys a couple of years ago that Richie the Mo was probably the best first five in the world - Danny Boy (and World Rugby) have come around to my view.
https://rugbylad.ie/dan-carter-all-blacks-debate/
Frizz was a lot more effective than you guys thought. We rarely lost when he played.
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@Nepia "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone."
Told you guys a couple of years ago that Richie the Mo was probably the best first five in the world - Danny Boy (and World Rugby) have come around to my view.
https://rugbylad.ie/dan-carter-all-blacks-debate/
Frizz was a lot more effective than you guys thought. We rarely lost when he played.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Nepia "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone."
Told you guys a couple of years ago that Richie the Mo was probably the best first five in the world - Danny Boy (and World Rugby) have come around to my view.
https://rugbylad.ie/dan-carter-all-blacks-debate/
Frizz was a lot more effective than you guys thought. We rarely lost when he played.
DC is a clear example of the best player doesn't make the best selector.
Also you know the old saying correlation does not equal causation, but good you got your ex- Ta$man boy's back.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Why does Scott Barrett do that half-arsed chargedown attempt at every single oppo ruck box-clearance? I don't feel like he's got one since 1993 and it just leaves him late to the next phase
Because he puts 100% into everything. He is the Richie McCaw of this team. Huge motor.
@kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Why does Scott Barrett do that half-arsed chargedown attempt at every single oppo ruck box-clearance? I don't feel like he's got one since 1993 and it just leaves him late to the next phase
Because he puts 100% into everything. He is the Richie McCaw of this team. Huge motor.
Sorry bro, but that’s a dumb response. Don’t disagree that he gives 100%, but that doesn’t mean this particular play is sensible and worthwhile. He’d be better off only challenging where he can realistically influence the play - atm he doesn’t put any pressure on the kicker and is just wasting energy. If he dropped this, he’d be able to give something like 104% in other areas…🤪
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@Nepia "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone."
Told you guys a couple of years ago that Richie the Mo was probably the best first five in the world - Danny Boy (and World Rugby) have come around to my view.
https://rugbylad.ie/dan-carter-all-blacks-debate/
Frizz was a lot more effective than you guys thought. We rarely lost when he played.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Nepia "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone."
Told you guys a couple of years ago that Richie the Mo was probably the best first five in the world - Danny Boy (and World Rugby) have come around to my view.
https://rugbylad.ie/dan-carter-all-blacks-debate/
Frizz was a lot more effective than you guys thought. We rarely lost when he played.
If Richie is the best 10 in the world I'd expect him to make some more vital kicks in the last RWC...
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Nepia "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone."
Told you guys a couple of years ago that Richie the Mo was probably the best first five in the world - Danny Boy (and World Rugby) have come around to my view.
https://rugbylad.ie/dan-carter-all-blacks-debate/
Frizz was a lot more effective than you guys thought. We rarely lost when he played.
DC is a clear example of the best player doesn't make the best selector.
Also you know the old saying correlation does not equal causation, but good you got your ex- Ta$man boy's back.
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If Perofeta had passed inside or if Telea had more pace we'd be lauding DMac's counter attack to set up a brilliant try.
A step in the right direction for DMac last night
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
If Perofeta had passed inside or if Telea had more pace we'd be lauding DMac's counter attack to set up a brilliant try.
A step in the right direction for DMac last night
I was a well known hater for a long time, said he was the classic great Super player with no place in black. But I’ve completely come around. He no longer runs across field all game, he makes way less mistakes than RM / BB ever did and retains their ability to break a game open. Kicking game as good as anyone else’s (better probably), good in the air and a really brave / good defender
Keen to see more of him and Ratima together and clearly he’d be dynamite behind a pack going forward
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Nepia "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone."
Told you guys a couple of years ago that Richie the Mo was probably the best first five in the world - Danny Boy (and World Rugby) have come around to my view.
https://rugbylad.ie/dan-carter-all-blacks-debate/
Frizz was a lot more effective than you guys thought. We rarely lost when he played.
If Richie is the best 10 in the world I'd expect him to make some more vital kicks in the last RWC...
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@Nepia said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Also you know the old saying correlation does not equal causation, but good you got your ex- Ta$man boy's back.
Coaches kept picking him, though - and it wasn't really a great mystery, why.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Also you know the old saying correlation does not equal causation, but good you got your ex- Ta$man boy's back.
Coaches kept picking him, though - and it wasn't really a great mystery, why.
There's lots of mystery why, like with every player selected/not selected who is a contentious pick.
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Any one who is lauding frizzle needs to go back and watch the final. Finau was Kaino like compared to that limpest of efforts, 1 tackle, 1 miss, a couple of runs. Fucking pathetic.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Also you know the old saying correlation does not equal causation, but good you got your ex- Ta$man boy's back.
Coaches kept picking him, though - and it wasn't really a great mystery, why.
There's lots of mystery why, like with every player selected/not selected who is a contentious pick.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:
We were anything but calm in the first 60 minutes. It was an error-strewn performance up with the worst of the the Ireland series.
Our lineout was appalling, but other than that we were not "error strewn".
We didn't drop a lot of ball forward (including taking all the high kicks they put up). Our scrum was stable. We didn't give away heaps of penalties. We didn't miss heaps of tackles and they made almost no line breaks.
We took some wrong options, but no-one ever gets them all right. We didn't make many yards with the forwards, but that isn't an error.
Every test has errors because of the pressure they are under, but in the key areas of not dropping ball or dropping tackles we were much improved over the start of the last few years.
Some people on this forum seem to think that not only should the ABs be the best, that they should be perfect too.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Some people on this forum seem to think that not only should the ABs be the best, that they should be perfect too.
Well yeah ...
Realistically Aura was built on the back winning matches by this margin.
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@nostrildamus He's not the best goalkicker in the world. That's why Jordie took the last shot.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@nostrildamus He's not the best goalkicker in the world. That's why Jordie took the last shot.
What last shot at goal did Jordie take?
