All Blacks vs Argentina I

[Bones]

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

It's time to start Sititi and Proctor

and Clarke and Ratima...

Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.

Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one

He looked fast enough against England

Would've finished it himself without getting touched in yesteryear

As athletes get older they sometimes get smarter

Creation is not as lauded as touching down but you can't have one without the other

Buuuuut... not fast. Otherwise Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast, right?

[MiketheSnow]

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

It's time to start Sititi and Proctor

and Clarke and Ratima...

Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.

Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one

He looked fast enough against England

Would've finished it himself without getting touched in yesteryear

As athletes get older they sometimes get smarter

Creation is not as lauded as touching down but you can't have one without the other

Buuuuut... not fast. Otherwise Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast, right?

I'll repeat, fast enough

[Lancaster Park]

@Frank said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

Fuck me, have you been watching him for the last few years?

Well no, I live in the UK and dont have sky so have to rely a lot on youtube highlights

[Bones]

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

It's time to start Sititi and Proctor

and Clarke and Ratima...

Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.

Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one

He looked fast enough against England

Would've finished it himself without getting touched in yesteryear

As athletes get older they sometimes get smarter

Creation is not as lauded as touching down but you can't have one without the other

Buuuuut... not fast. Otherwise Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast, right?

I'll repeat, fast enough

The fuck? In the context of the original post, he's not fast. He'd be nigh on the slowest in the list. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

[MiketheSnow]

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

It's time to start Sititi and Proctor

and Clarke and Ratima...

Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.

Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one

He looked fast enough against England

Would've finished it himself without getting touched in yesteryear

As athletes get older they sometimes get smarter

Creation is not as lauded as touching down but you can't have one without the other

Buuuuut... not fast. Otherwise Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast, right?

I'll repeat, fast enough

The fuck? In the context of the original post, he's not fast. He'd be nigh on the slowest in the list. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Correct. Slowest on that last AND fast enough

Both things can be true at the same time

[Bones]

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

It's time to start Sititi and Proctor

and Clarke and Ratima...

Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.

Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one

He looked fast enough against England

Would've finished it himself without getting touched in yesteryear

As athletes get older they sometimes get smarter

Creation is not as lauded as touching down but you can't have one without the other

Buuuuut... not fast. Otherwise Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast, right?

I'll repeat, fast enough

The fuck? In the context of the original post, he's not fast. He'd be nigh on the slowest in the list. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Correct. Slowest on that last AND fast enough

Both things can be true at the same time

Ahh so you think Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast. Got it.

[MiketheSnow]

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

It's time to start Sititi and Proctor

and Clarke and Ratima...

Yep.
I think our strength is still ball handling and speed.
Ratima-DMac-JB-Proctor Clarke/Ioane/Jordan BB
Fast-Fast-Passer-Passer-Fast-Fast-Fast.

Maybe 5-6 years late on the last one

He looked fast enough against England

Would've finished it himself without getting touched in yesteryear

As athletes get older they sometimes get smarter

Creation is not as lauded as touching down but you can't have one without the other

Buuuuut... not fast. Otherwise Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast, right?

I'll repeat, fast enough

The fuck? In the context of the original post, he's not fast. He'd be nigh on the slowest in the list. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Correct. Slowest on that last AND fast enough

Both things can be true at the same time

Ahh so you think Jordie and Proctor should be listed as fast. Got it.

You're absolutely right mate, 5 thoroughbreds and 3 carthorses

Let's hope they don't get done for pace

[Bones]

@MiketheSnow too late.

[Crazy Horse]

I'd like to see some evidence in this test that this version of the ABs knows how to maul. After Ryan and co joined the ABs during Fozzie's reign mauling started to look like it was becoming a weapon, but this year we have yet to see much of it.

[Machpants]

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

I'd like to see some evidence in this test that this version of the ABs knows how to maul. After Ryan and co joined the ABs during Fozzie's reign mauling started to look like it was becoming a weapon, but this year we have yet to see much of it.

Gotta win the line out first...

[Crazy Horse]

@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

I'd like to see some evidence in this test that this version of the ABs knows how to maul. After Ryan and co joined the ABs during Fozzie's reign mauling started to look like it was becoming a weapon, but this year we have yet to see much of it.

Gotta win the line out first...

True

[cgrant]

@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

Christies defensive game is why he get picked for the big games. Defence wins trophys.

I was surprised though at just how much slower his passing was compared to both Ratima and Hotham which I think was a very significant reason why the 'finishers' had such a late game impact. The backs had more time and your pods can run onto the ball because you know its coming rather than waiting and then starting your run. (are getting it passed to where you are standing not in front of you).

Against a rush defense, Christie's slow delivery hampers considerably the backs attacking possibilities. Defense may win trophies yes, but Ratima isn't bad in defensive situations, and his kicking is top notch too. I am not sold on Hotham's defense though.

[darylmitchell]

@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

Christies defensive game is why he get picked for the big games. Defence wins trophys.

I was surprised though at just how much slower his passing was compared to both Ratima and Hotham which I think was a very significant reason why the 'finishers' had such a late game impact. The backs had more time and your pods can run onto the ball because you know its coming rather than waiting and then starting your run. (are getting it passed to where you are standing not in front of you).

Against a rush defense, Christie's slow delivery hampers considerably the backs attacking possibilities. Defense may win trophies yes, but Ratima isn't bad in defensive situations, and his kicking is top notch too. I am not sold on Hotham's defense though.

Good point and didn't Ratima set a Chiefs bench press record for the backs this year? I'll take his Tawera Kerr-Barlow esque strength and physicality off the bench over Christie's occasional heroism on defense thanks...

[DaGrubster]

@cgrant
If Aaron Smith couldn’t out pass a rush defense there really is no way any halfback can do that on his own.

[Frank]

@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

Defense may win trophies

Rugby is full of cliches like that.

[BerniesCorner]

Probably the most important positions in this team are 12, 13. If we can get that right things are looking solid

[Frank]

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

Probably the most important positions in this team are 12, 13.

The correct cliche here is - "The most important position tighthead prop and the second most important position is tighthead prop."

[reprobate]

@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@cgrant
If Aaron Smith couldn’t out pass a rush defense there really is no way any halfback can do that on his own.

That may be correct, but it certainly doesn't mean a slow halfback can't make it very much harder.

[taniwharugby]

@DaGrubster although, for large parts of the past 4 years, he did not run the ball, and when he wasnt setting up for a kick, you knew he was passing so we were very predictable, so yes his pass helped, but our predictability didnt.

Only when he seemed to reintroduce his running game last year did we find gaps with these rush defences.

[reprobate]

@taniwharugby a running game from the halfback definitely helps, but similar can be achieved by forwards (and blindside wingers) looking for pop passes close in / pick n go.
I'd say the problem was our overall tactics being a bit shit i.e. as well as lack of 9 sniping: a lack of ball runners in the forwards, lack of a direct approach before moving the ball, and 10s and 12s who aren't great passers trying to play flat.