Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc
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@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@hydro11 said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@No-Quarter said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Th obvious problem with oval stadiums for rugby (and soccer) is the very best seats on halfway are too far from the action, so that means there are no great seats, just OKish seats all the way around.
Wellington was really silly to build an oval when they already had the Basin for cricket, they could have easily replaced the embankment (which is a shit place to watch sport as you spend half the time trying not to slide down the bank) with another stand at some point to increase capacity there (if needed). A purpose built rectangle stadium for rugby, soccer and hosting concerts would have been perfect.
I grew up in Wellington and have also lived in Auckland for a decade so have been to Athletic Park, the Cake Tin and Eden Park a lot. By far the best experiences I've had for rugby are at Athletic Park and Eden Park purely because the view was so much better so I could follow the action much more easily. The view at the Cake Tin is pretty average no matter where you are.
The challenge for Auckland is they don't have a decent cricket ground, but at the same time it'd be a real mistake to replace Eden Park with an oval. I think they are best to upgrade Eden Park and then think about where they can put a more modest cricket ground.
This is mostly hindsight. Of course, with what we know now we would not build the Cake Tin as an oval. However, in its early years it was getting massive crowds for cricket.
You are severely limited by how large you can make the basin. You could probably build a bigger stand on the Museum/RA Vance side, but it would be much more difficult on the grass side. Not to mention extra stands could ruin the character.
The reality is that there is no appetite for spending tens of millions of dollars on a cricket stadium. If the Cake Tin was a rectangle, Wellington would simply not host major ODIs and T20Is. If Eden Park also could not hold big games, New Zealand would not have been able to host as many games as it did in the 2015 World Cup.
nah Hagley Park still gets big international matches (including world cup matches in 2015) despite its small size. They just added temporary stands to the grass banks - easy! Basin Reserve is a true cricket ground and should've been upgraded (to the extent it could be upgraded) for cricket. The Caketin should've been a modern version of Athletic Park. I had never been to Athletic Park but everyone bar none raved about how it was the best rugby ground in NZ - especially the millard stand placing you practically on top of the play (if you survived the winds!)
Hagley had extra seating to take its capacity to 17,000. You couldn't get 17k into the Basin whatever you did. Hagley is surrounded by parkland, the Basin by SH1. Hagley also didn't really get big World Cup games - it got the opener and two other pool games. An 8,000 seat Basin probably wouldn't even get NZ World Cup games.
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With retractable seats would they be able to get a decent circular shape of a decent size?
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@mikedogz said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
With retractable seats would they be able to get a decent circular shape of a decent size?
my understanding of revamped eden park was it incorporated the current south stand which has retractable seats.....some i imagine the overall pitch size is much the same as it currently is....so no....not really
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@Machpants said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
and also in the box seat to host both a quarter-final and a semi-final in the upcoming 2028 ICC T20I CWC.”
Lol fucking monkeys in charge in NZ cricket, if they think that's possible
What do you mean?
Even if Eden park doesn't get redeveloped it will most likely be hosting the semi final. I would like to think that Wellington would get the Quarter final but if Eden Park had a roof it might be a good option to ensure rain doesn't play any part.
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@LABCAT said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Machpants said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
and also in the box seat to host both a quarter-final and a semi-final in the upcoming 2028 ICC T20I CWC.”
Lol fucking monkeys in charge in NZ cricket, if they think that's possible
What do you mean?
Even if Eden park doesn't get redeveloped it will most likely be hosting the semi final. I would like to think that Wellington would get the Quarter final but if Eden Park had a roof it might be a good option to ensure rain doesn't play any part.
Eden Park will in no way change by 2028, no matter what is chosen for stadium AKL. I guess if it is chosen there is a small to nothing chance the works are underway in 2028? But really, look at Chch, it'll be a decade before finished - minimum. The quote is saying with the upgrade and roof, it'll have a really good chance - nothing is happening by 2028
Full quote
“If Eden Park is re-designed so it can, a) accommodate a proper cricket oval and b) has a roof to eliminate the threat of rain, then I can envisage far more international fixtures being scheduled in Auckland.
“A venue like that would be well-placed to win hosting rights for marquee Test Matches against India, England and Australia, and also in the box seat to host both a quarter-final and a semi-final in the upcoming 2028 ICC T20I CWC.”
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@Machpants said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
“A venue like that would be well-placed to win hosting rights for marquee Test Matches against India, England and Australia, and also in the box seat to host both a quarter-final and a semi-final in the upcoming 2028 ICC T20I CWC.”
None of the classic UK grounds have large capacity. Lords is the only one north of 30k.
A beautiful, purpose built venue will be better than a round peg in a square hole with large stadia every single day of the week. Especially when those large stadia are 80% empty.
The Basin Reserve should be NZ premier test cricket ground, whilst something in Auckland (I've always thought North Harbour) should be setup for max 25k capacity for ODI / T20 etc.
Eden Park the home of NZ rugby, football & concerts.
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Interesting vid about locating stadiums in cities...
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@WestieFella that reminds me of what Wimbledon have achived finally moving back to Plough lane, 10k seat stadium (future proofed for 20k) with apartments designed and built at the same time, very few NIMBY's, ground tucked away and not overly visable fromthe street
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@KiwiMurph said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
I think it would have been 1999 or 2000 that Leigh Hart started on Sports Cafe.
It was definitely before 2001.
Murph gets the chocolates. Hart says here (about 44m 30s in) that he joined in 2000, and Ric semi-corrects him to say "99, 2000".
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I like the idea of a boutique stadium for npc games, 10,000 fans in a small stadium will be better atmosphere than 20,000 in Eden park.
I'll miss the speedway at western springs, I remember my dad taking me and my mate there in the late 70s, early 80s. It's the home of speedway, and handy for westies/petrol heads.
Having said all that, this has been talked about since before rwc2011, and we will probably still be talking about it by the time we next get to host the rwc...
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@sparky said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Just get on and build the damn thing.
No one has a spare billion dollars, or wants to give away a billion dollars in assets to enable the build.
Frankly, right now with Eden Park having consent to host concerts it funds itself, and can fund its own upgrades. A signature stadium ain't a thing.
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