All Blacks vs Argentina I

[Gunner]

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

Can't remember ABs having so much prospective depth at halfback.
Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Viljoen, Pledger, Christie, Perenara
Unreal
Can see a running halfback being a real point of difference.

Attack the inside channels using Savea, Ratima and DMac.

Who the hell is Pledger?

And I’ve heard Viljoen’s name mentioned a few times.

He’s not a realistic chance after 3 or 4 appearances from the bench in super rugby. I’m not saying he won’t get there, but I’d like to see some evidence before we put him in any AB 9 depth chart.

[MN5]

@Gunner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

Can't remember ABs having so much prospective depth at halfback.
Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Viljoen, Pledger, Christie, Perenara
Unreal
Can see a running halfback being a real point of difference.

Attack the inside channels using Savea, Ratima and DMac.

Who the hell is Pledger?

And I’ve heard Viljoen’s name mentioned a few times.

He’s not a realistic chance after 3 or 4 appearances from the bench in super rugby. I’m not saying he won’t get there, but I’d like to see some evidence before we put him in any AB 9 depth chart.

Yeah the post is pretty much ( insert every super rugby player in any given position ) and ‘wow, look at the depth we have’

[KiwiMurph]

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

Can't remember ABs having so much prospective depth at halfback.
Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Viljoen, Pledger, Christie, Funaki Perenara

Fixed

[Bones]

I thought Pledger looked very on the small side too. Is he?

[pakman]

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

Can't remember ABs having so much prospective depth at halfback.
Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Viljoen, Pledger, Christie, Perenara
Unreal
Can see a running halfback being a real point of difference.

Attack the inside channels using Savea, Ratima and DMac.

[Frank]

Is that Ratima lifting?

[Bones]

@Frank said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

Is that Ratima lifting?

I'm also struggling to identify people by their chins and calves.

[SBW1]

@Bones https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350367444/all-blacks-call-harry-plummer-and-hand-captaincy-ardie-savea-argentina-tests?fbclid=IwY2xjawEdrPlleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHcjMJdrpyGBoOdKLnp-A9Ri-W8XOXttYSTNzJN0SLR3jDHJM1vjhFuNiSA_aem_UJyfs2frgKQ1Ux18Trw5nQ

[nostrildamus]

@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

I thought bouncing a bench press off one's chest and arching the back were no nos?

[pakman]

@nostrildamus only in comps?!

[Dan54]

@Gunner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

Can't remember ABs having so much prospective depth at halfback.
Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Viljoen, Pledger, Christie, Perenara
Unreal
Can see a running halfback being a real point of difference.

Attack the inside channels using Savea, Ratima and DMac.

Who the hell is Pledger?

And I’ve heard Viljoen’s name mentioned a few times.

He’s not a realistic chance after 3 or 4 appearances from the bench in super rugby. I’m not saying he won’t get there, but I’d like to see some evidence before we put him in any AB 9 depth chart.

I think what BC says is not that far out. He said prospective depth, not depth. I think a few have a bit to go etc, but I do think Pledger looks to have makings of a good one. Like any prospect it's how they continue to develop.
Shit I reckon at 10 Rico Simpson is a hell of a prospect too.

[kiwiinmelb]

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

I thought bouncing a bench press off one's chest and arching the back were no nos?

It’s becoming more and more common , the theory is it reduces the range of motion allowing you to push more for strength gains .

I don’t flat bench anymore because my shoulders are rooted so I’ve never really tried it to have an opinion on it either way

[taniwharugby]

@kiwiinmelb I also think there is a big difference between what they are doing vs powerlifting and strict lifts.

There will likely be variances that are likely more specific to the requirements of rugby (explosiveness being a big part that a power lifter isnt looking for)

[MN5]

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

I thought bouncing a bench press off one's chest and arching the back were no nos?

It’s becoming more and more common , the theory is it reduces the range of motion allowing you to push more for strength gains .

I don’t flat bench anymore because my shoulders are rooted so I’ve never really tried it to have an opinion on it either way

Weighted dips are the way to go. More functional in my opinion ( and yes way easier on the shoulders particularly for those of us over 40 )

Although they do help you bench too.

[kiwiinmelb]

@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

I thought bouncing a bench press off one's chest and arching the back were no nos?

It’s becoming more and more common , the theory is it reduces the range of motion allowing you to push more for strength gains .

I don’t flat bench anymore because my shoulders are rooted so I’ve never really tried it to have an opinion on it either way

Weighted dips are the way to go. More functional in my opinion.

Although they do help you bench too.

I bench on a smith machine now with a slight decline and I can eliminate flaring up shoulder pain

[Duluth]

@kiwiinmelb

Same. It’s great as long as you get the initial setup right. Even better for incline IMO

Never understood the hate for it

[Duluth]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350367893/all-blacks-what-are-big-selection-talking-points-ahead-argentina-test

[Mr Fish]

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Gunner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

Can't remember ABs having so much prospective depth at halfback.
Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Viljoen, Pledger, Christie, Perenara
Unreal
Can see a running halfback being a real point of difference.

Attack the inside channels using Savea, Ratima and DMac.

Who the hell is Pledger?

And I’ve heard Viljoen’s name mentioned a few times.

He’s not a realistic chance after 3 or 4 appearances from the bench in super rugby. I’m not saying he won’t get there, but I’d like to see some evidence before we put him in any AB 9 depth chart.

I think what BC says is not that far out. He said prospective depth, not depth. I think a few have a bit to go etc, but I do think Pledger looks to have makings of a good one. Like any prospect it's how they continue to develop.
Shit I reckon at 10 Rico Simpson is a hell of a prospect too.

We always have good prospective depth. Real depth, on the other hand?

[Dan54]

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Gunner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

Can't remember ABs having so much prospective depth at halfback.
Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Viljoen, Pledger, Christie, Perenara
Unreal
Can see a running halfback being a real point of difference.

Attack the inside channels using Savea, Ratima and DMac.

Who the hell is Pledger?

And I’ve heard Viljoen’s name mentioned a few times.

He’s not a realistic chance after 3 or 4 appearances from the bench in super rugby. I’m not saying he won’t get there, but I’d like to see some evidence before we put him in any AB 9 depth chart.

I think what BC says is not that far out. He said prospective depth, not depth. I think a few have a bit to go etc, but I do think Pledger looks to have makings of a good one. Like any prospect it's how they continue to develop.
Shit I reckon at 10 Rico Simpson is a hell of a prospect too.

We always have good prospective depth. Really depth, on the other hand?

Personally real depth is acceptable, probably as good as we have had lately. We don't have a Nugget , but we got s few reasonable 9s.

[Mr Fish]

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@Gunner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

Can't remember ABs having so much prospective depth at halfback.
Roigard, Ratima, Hotham, Viljoen, Pledger, Christie, Perenara
Unreal
Can see a running halfback being a real point of difference.

Attack the inside channels using Savea, Ratima and DMac.

Who the hell is Pledger?

And I’ve heard Viljoen’s name mentioned a few times.

He’s not a realistic chance after 3 or 4 appearances from the bench in super rugby. I’m not saying he won’t get there, but I’d like to see some evidence before we put him in any AB 9 depth chart.

I think what BC says is not that far out. He said prospective depth, not depth. I think a few have a bit to go etc, but I do think Pledger looks to have makings of a good one. Like any prospect it's how they continue to develop.
Shit I reckon at 10 Rico Simpson is a hell of a prospect too.

We always have good prospective depth. Really depth, on the other hand?

Personally real depth is acceptable, probably as good as we have had lately. We don't have a Nugget , but we got s few reasonable 9s.

I'll hold out judgement until the end of the Rugby Championship...

Roigard is great, Ratima could be too. Hotham is unproven, just like all the other uncapped halfbacks (Ratima is still really in the camp too, and who knows what Roigard will be like post-injury).

Until we have a couple of guys with 5-10 starts (including a few games each against SA, England, France, Ireland) then the top layer of the depth is still very questionable.