All Blacks vs Argentina I
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Dropping Finau is ridiculous
Finau was our shittest forward in the England series. I'm glad he's gone, he's not the enforcer that everyone talked him up to be. Did he even make one dominant tackle?
As Messam mentioned in Super Rugby, I think he needs to practice hitting forwards and not scrawny backs.
Blackadder needs to step up and get back to his form before he got injured.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Dropping Finau is ridiculous
Finau was our shittest forward in the England series. I'm glad he's gone, he's not the enforcer that everyone talked him up to be. Did he even make one dominant tackle?
As Messam mentioned in Super Rugby, I think he needs to practice hitting forwards and not scrawny backs.
i am sure there is someone running around in reserve grade in Wellington who would be better aye?
And he was the worst forward unless you count all the others who did fuck all as well.
He is literally the only "built like a 6" in the squad and was the best 6 in Super rugby. Giving him 2 tests and dropping him for another 7.5 is stupid.
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I reckon the Blues pack would probably beat up that AB 8.
Fucking Perenara I am sick of.
Kinda bizarre selections where it is hard to see any consistency in what they are trying to achieve.
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Why is TJP starting?
The selectors are being too conservative trying to tell themselves they are being sensible when Ratima is just plain better.Caleb Clarke is not injured, so should be starting.
Very happy with ALB at 13.
I hope we decent minutes out of Sititi and that our new locks go well.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Dropping Finau is ridiculous
Finau was our shittest forward in the England series. I'm glad he's gone, he's not the enforcer that everyone talked him up to be. Did he even make one dominant tackle?
As Messam mentioned in Super Rugby, I think he needs to practice hitting forwards and not scrawny backs.
i am sure there is someone running around in reserve grade in Wellington who would be better aye?
And he was the worst forward unless you count all the others who did fuck all as well.
He is literally the only "built like a 6" in the squad and was the best 6 in Super rugby. Giving him 2 tests and dropping him for another 7.5 is stupid.
@mariner4life Lol always bringing Wellington into the convo. Classic.
I'd personally start Jacobsen at 6 but he's obviously injured. Blackadder is Robertson's favourite player (aside from Havili) so he's likely to get more opportunity. Maybe they have an eye to the physical tests in South Africa where they want to keep Finau on ice. If Finau is going to make a statement he needs to do it over there out of all places to cement his spot going forward.
Our loosies have to step up as a unit for sure.
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Hahaha holy fuck. Loose forwards are Ethan, Dalton and Ardie. With Sititi off the bench.
So we might again scrape to a win at home. Hardly a confidence inspiring selection.
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@mariner4life Lol always bringing Wellington into the convo. Classic.
I'd personally start Jacobsen at 6 but he's obviously injured. Blackadder is Robertson's favourite player (aside from Havili) so he's likely to get more opportunity. Maybe they have an eye to the physical tests in South Africa where they want to keep Finau on ice. If Finau is going to make a statement he needs to do it over there out of all places to cement his spot going forward.
Our loosies have to step up as a unit for sure.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Lol always bringing Wellington into the convo. Classic.
this you?
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
My hope is Caleb Delany plays 6 for the Canes next year, he could be the perfect guy we are looking for. At 1.97m, 115kg, great in the lineout, not a bone crunching tackler but he's very solid in every everything he does. He was one of the form locks in Super before getting injured but I don't think he's big enough to be a test lock. A move back to 6 could be the perfect move for him, hopefully someone with brains pushes him back there.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Dropping Finau is ridiculous
Finau was our shittest forward in the England series. I'm glad he's gone, he's not the enforcer that everyone talked him up to be. Did he even make one dominant tackle?
As Messam mentioned in Super Rugby, I think he needs to practice hitting forwards and not scrawny backs.
Blackadder needs to step up and get back to his form before he got injured.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Dropping Finau is ridiculous
Finau was our shittest forward in the England series.
Bullfuckingshit.
Blackadder needs to step up and get back to his form before he got injured.
What form?
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Given how halfbacks are used, I much prefer Ratima finishing the game than Perenara. Not that TJP isn’t frustrating at times, but I can see what the strategy is there.
I don’t think it’s being conservative having a wet behind the ears halfback entrusted to close out a test match.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Lol always bringing Wellington into the convo. Classic.
this you?
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
My hope is Caleb Delany plays 6 for the Canes next year, he could be the perfect guy we are looking for. At 1.97m, 115kg, great in the lineout, not a bone crunching tackler but he's very solid in every everything he does. He was one of the form locks in Super before getting injured but I don't think he's big enough to be a test lock. A move back to 6 could be the perfect move for him, hopefully someone with brains pushes him back there.
@mariner4life if you think Caleb Delany is a reserve grade player then you're deluded. Delany was the best 6 in the NPC in 2022 (even better than Finau). Then the fwits selecting the Lions and Canes decided to move him to lock where I don't think he's as effective. If they move him back there he will definitely put his name in the selection pool and it will give us another option. The cupboard is bare at the moment.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Dropping Finau is ridiculous
Finau was our shittest forward in the England series.
Bullfuckingshit.
Blackadder needs to step up and get back to his form before he got injured.
What form?
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Bullfuckingshit.
For a 6 that's meant to be our enforcer he did f all enforcing. Not surprised at all that he's been dropped.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Disappointing team. Blackadder never the answer at 6, Ratima deserved to start, Clarke deserved to start at 11 too... had heard Jordan was starting, bench spot only makes sense on his return. Will be fun to see what he can do off the bench.
Finau hasn't been either tbh. He's done sweet f all so far. Wouldn't mind seeing Sititi get a run at 6 but honestly we don't have many answers.
My hope is Caleb Delany plays 6 for the Canes next year, he could be the perfect guy we are looking for. At 1.97m, 115kg, great in the lineout, not a bone crunching tackler but he's very solid in every everything he does. He was one of the form locks in Super before getting injured but I don't think he's big enough to be a test lock. A move back to 6 could be the perfect move for him, hopefully someone with brains pushes him back there.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Disappointing team. Blackadder never the answer at 6, Ratima deserved to start, Clarke deserved to start at 11 too... had heard Jordan was starting, bench spot only makes sense on his return. Will be fun to see what he can do off the bench.
Finau hasn't been either tbh. He's done sweet f all so far. Wouldn't mind seeing Sititi get a run at 6 but honestly we don't have many answers.
He was given around 110 minutes. IMO he is so clearly the best potential option that they should have given him these two tests against Argentina.
I'm not 100% convinced he is the answer, but the other options as a long-term six are still another season away at least.
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Even if one of Suafoa/Delany/Haig/other comes through next year at 6 I'm not sure I trust this coaching staff to recognise it and give them a proper crack.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Even if one of Suafoa/Delany/Haig/other comes through next year at 6 I'm not sure I trust this coaching staff to recognise it and give them a proper crack.
100%, they'll probably pick that Cantab 6 that was wrongfully selected ahead of Delany in the AB XV a couple years ago. Delany completely outplayed him in the final.
The Canes coaches need to move him back there first, whether they do that though is anyone's guess.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Bullfuckingshit.
For a 6 that's meant to be our enforcer he did f all enforcing. Not surprised at all that he's been dropped.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Bullfuckingshit.
For a 6 that's meant to be our enforcer he did f all enforcing. Not surprised at all that he's been dropped.
A harder shoulder than Ethan and Ardie. Also with the added bonus he's not a dwarf at the lineout.
The coaches need to give him time to develop.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Bullfuckingshit.
For a 6 that's meant to be our enforcer he did f all enforcing. Not surprised at all that he's been dropped.
A harder shoulder than Ethan and Ardie. Also with the added bonus he's not a dwarf at the lineout.
The coaches need to give him time to develop.
@antipodean a hard shoulder that he only uses on first fives. Needs to hit a few more bigger bodies if he wants to get more minutes. That's his job. Ardie isn't the enforcer, Blackadder and Finau are. If they don't step up in the Rugby Championship then I hope the coaches have the brains to look elsewhere.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Disappointing team. Blackadder never the answer at 6, Ratima deserved to start, Clarke deserved to start at 11 too... had heard Jordan was starting, bench spot only makes sense on his return. Will be fun to see what he can do off the bench.
Finau hasn't been either tbh. He's done sweet f all so far. Wouldn't mind seeing Sititi get a run at 6 but honestly we don't have many answers.
He was given around 110 minutes. IMO he is so clearly the best potential option that they should have given him these two tests against Argentina.
I'm not 100% convinced he is the answer, but the other options as a long-term six are still another season away at least.
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Disappointing team. Blackadder never the answer at 6, Ratima deserved to start, Clarke deserved to start at 11 too... had heard Jordan was starting, bench spot only makes sense on his return. Will be fun to see what he can do off the bench.
Finau hasn't been either tbh. He's done sweet f all so far. Wouldn't mind seeing Sititi get a run at 6 but honestly we don't have many answers.
He was given around 110 minutes. IMO he is so clearly the best potential option that they should have given him these two tests against Argentina.
I'm not 100% convinced he is the answer, but the other options as a long-term six are still another season away at least.
I also treat with derision people that argue for a 6'2" blindside to complement our 6' #8 and 6'3" openside.
The Test against Fiji had Ethan fluffers wanking about his "link work" at blindside. What happened to loose forwards in this country that our openside had to tackle himself to a standstill so two others could swan about looking for highlight reel opportunities?
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Even if one of Suafoa/Delany/Haig/other comes through next year at 6 I'm not sure I trust this coaching staff to recognise it and give them a proper crack.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Even if one of Suafoa/Delany/Haig/other comes through next year at 6 I'm not sure I trust this coaching staff to recognise it and give them a proper crack.
Their eyes are locked in on their friends son unfortunately.
I’m hoping Delaney and Haig have massive NPC’s to the point they can’t be ignored. I also still think that Finau’s best rugby is ahead of him so I don’t quite get the logic behind benching him against a physical Argentina pack in test 1 of the RC at home. Surely he would have loved that chance to prove a point.
We could have got a lot of answers about where he’s at over the next 2 tests with him at 6. Perhaps the coaches think the England series gave them those answers? Time will tell…
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@antipodean a hard shoulder that he only uses on first fives. Needs to hit a few more bigger bodies if he wants to get more minutes. That's his job. Ardie isn't the enforcer, Blackadder and Finau are. If they don't step up in the Rugby Championship then I hope the coaches have the brains to look elsewhere.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean a hard shoulder that he only uses on first fives. Needs to hit a few more bigger bodies if he wants to get more minutes. That's his job. Ardie isn't the enforcer, Blackadder and Finau are. If they don't step up in the Rugby Championship then I hope the coaches have the brains to look elsewhere.
Perhaps the All Blacks would be in a better place if all three loose forwards did loose forward shit.
But thanks for admitting Ardie is shirking the work.
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Given how halfbacks are used, I much prefer Ratima finishing the game than Perenara. Not that TJP isn’t frustrating at times, but I can see what the strategy is there.
I don’t think it’s being conservative having a wet behind the ears halfback entrusted to close out a test match.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Given how halfbacks are used, I much prefer Ratima finishing the game than Perenara. Not that TJP isn’t frustrating at times, but I can see what the strategy is there.
I don’t think it’s being conservative having a wet behind the ears halfback entrusted to close out a test match.
If pushed, my strong preference would be to see Ratima play 80 minutes!
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean a hard shoulder that he only uses on first fives. Needs to hit a few more bigger bodies if he wants to get more minutes. That's his job. Ardie isn't the enforcer, Blackadder and Finau are. If they don't step up in the Rugby Championship then I hope the coaches have the brains to look elsewhere.
Perhaps the All Blacks would be in a better place if all three loose forwards did loose forward shit.
But thanks for admitting Ardie is shirking the work.
@antipodean and thanks for admitting that Finau needs to actually do 'work' when he's on the field.
