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  • canefanC canefan

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

    @Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

    Blackadder looked a bit lost trying to keep up with the pace against Fiji.

    Let's hope he's better for finally getting on the park.

    Yes he seemed slower than before. Great support player but I'm not convinced (yet) he is or will be the right answer for the ABs at 6.

    Perhaps he is yet to get his legs back, considering he spent much of SRP injured

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    @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

    @Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

    Blackadder looked a bit lost trying to keep up with the pace against Fiji.

    Let's hope he's better for finally getting on the park.

    Yes he seemed slower than before. Great support player but I'm not convinced (yet) he is or will be the right answer for the ABs at 6.

    Perhaps he is yet to get his legs back, considering he spent much of SRP his career injured

    FTFY

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      Big chance for ALB to show his wares. First objective is to make sure the midfield is defensively solid. Second objective is to show his distribution skills and try to be the Conrad Smith figure to pair with the straight running JB

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      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

        @Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

        @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

        Dropping Finau is ridiculous

        Finau was our shittest forward in the England series. I'm glad he's gone, he's not the enforcer that everyone talked him up to be. Did he even make one dominant tackle?

        As Messam mentioned in Super Rugby, I think he needs to practice hitting forwards and not scrawny backs.

        i am sure there is someone running around in reserve grade in Wellington who would be better aye?

        And he was the worst forward unless you count all the others who did fuck all as well.

        He is literally the only "built like a 6" in the squad and was the best 6 in Super rugby. Giving him 2 tests and dropping him for another 7.5 is stupid.

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        @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

        He is literally the only "built like a 6" in the squad and was the best 6 in Super rugby.

        Finau best 6 in Super Rugby? I didn't realise that was a universally shared opinion.

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        • canefanC canefan

          @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

          @Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

          Blackadder looked a bit lost trying to keep up with the pace against Fiji.

          Let's hope he's better for finally getting on the park.

          Yes he seemed slower than before. Great support player but I'm not convinced (yet) he is or will be the right answer for the ABs at 6.

          Perhaps he is yet to get his legs back, considering he spent much of SRP injured

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          @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

          @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

          @Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

          Blackadder looked a bit lost trying to keep up with the pace against Fiji.

          Let's hope he's better for finally getting on the park.

          Yes he seemed slower than before. Great support player but I'm not convinced (yet) he is or will be the right answer for the ABs at 6.

          Perhaps he is yet to get his legs back, considering he spent much of SRP injured

          I hope so! He still gets around the park so still has that huge motor.

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          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

            Another year and no solution at 6.

            Pleased that Darry and Lord will get mins

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            @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

            Another year and no solution at 6.

            It’s test 4 for this new group, so not ready to hang yet on what they are doing at blindside.

            In the first 3 seasons of Henry/Hansen/Smith they started 8 different players at blindside.

            In that first year (2004) there was chopping and changing too. It went something like:

            Gibbes
            Gibbes
            Collins
            Gibbes
            Gibbes
            Collins
            Gibbes
            Gibbes
            Collins
            So’oialo
            Collins
            Kaino

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            • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

              @voodoo said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

              Given how halfbacks are used, I much prefer Ratima finishing the game than Perenara. Not that TJP isn’t frustrating at times, but I can see what the strategy is there.

              I don’t think it’s being conservative having a wet behind the ears halfback entrusted to close out a test match.

              If pushed, my strong preference would be to see Ratima play 80 minutes!

              He’s not Aaron Smith, yet.

              Will he ever be? Ratima will never have Aaron Smith's pass if he doesn't already.

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              @Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

              @voodoo said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

              Given how halfbacks are used, I much prefer Ratima finishing the game than Perenara. Not that TJP isn’t frustrating at times, but I can see what the strategy is there.

              I don’t think it’s being conservative having a wet behind the ears halfback entrusted to close out a test match.

              If pushed, my strong preference would be to see Ratima play 80 minutes!

              He’s not Aaron Smith, yet.

              Will he ever be? Ratima will never have Aaron Smith's pass if he doesn't already.

              The Smith reference was in relation to Ratima playing 80 minutes.

              Aaron Smith is the only AB halfback in the past 17-18 years that has played 80 minutes in a test match.

              Weepu was the one prior to Smith, in early 2006 against the Argies.

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              • canefanC canefan

                @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now

                it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.

                I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years

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                @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now

                it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.

                I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years

                Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.

                As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.

                I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.

                Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.

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                • Landers92L Landers92

                  @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                  @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                  Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now

                  it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.

                  I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years

                  Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.

                  As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.

                  I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.

                  Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.

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                  @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                  Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.

                  Yes. I suspect the coaches love him, the other players do as well but he really didn't play enough to justify early season inclusion IMO.

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                  • DonsteppaD Donsteppa

                    Blackadder looked a bit lost trying to keep up with the pace against Fiji.

                    Let's hope he's better for finally getting on the park.

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                    @Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                    Blackadder looked a bit lost trying to keep up with the pace against Fiji.

                    Let's hope he's better for finally getting on the park.

                    A strange selection apart from the Crusaders factor. I feel likewise at Hooker

                    Weird backline though.

                    The back three looks very ordinary and maybe the MacDonald factor (2 limited coaches selecting midfield and wing/FB) . Glad that Rieko is not starting at center though but why not Proctor to get another start after his last quality start. But see what ALB can do but I see him as a 2nd 5 now

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                    • R reprobate

                      I reckon the Blues pack would probably beat up that AB 8.
                      Fucking Perenara I am sick of.
                      Kinda bizarre selections where it is hard to see any consistency in what they are trying to achieve.
                      Good to see the form midfielder rewarded with a spot at least.

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                      @reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                      Fucking Perenara I am sick of.

                      I would have started Ratima (for one hsi combination with DMac) . But I thought Perenara was a lot better than he was given credit for in his last start

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                      • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                        @Darren
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                        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                        @Darren
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                        Weakest All Blacks starting XV for a major Test that I can remember for a long time, fortunately the bench is better.

                        The continued lack of ball carriers is baffling, as is TJP at 9 when there are better younger options.

                        Disappointed that Proctor and Clarke miss out.

                        I think it will be another close and nervy one. ABs by 1-3.

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                        • sparkyS sparky

                          @taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                          @Darren
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                          Weakest All Blacks starting XV for a major Test that I can remember for a long time, fortunately the bench is better.

                          The continued lack of ball carriers is baffling, as is TJP at 9 when there are better younger options.

                          Disappointed that Proctor and Clarke miss out.

                          I think it will be another close and nervy one. ABs by 1-3.

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                          @sparky yeah I would have started Proctor and Clarke over Telea and ALB. We know what ALB offers, he's never set the house on fire.

                          I'd rather Proctor get an opportunity at his home ground against tougher opposition than Fiji to show if he can back up what he did in his first test. Too much chopping and changing for me.

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                          • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                            @sparky yeah I would have started Proctor and Clarke over Telea and ALB. We know what ALB offers, he's never set the house on fire.

                            I'd rather Proctor get an opportunity at his home ground against tougher opposition than Fiji to show if he can back up what he did in his first test. Too much chopping and changing for me.

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                            @Canes4life ALB is the best center in the country by a mile. Probably the best 12 as well.

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                            • nzzpN nzzp

                              So, who's carrying the ball?
                              Argentina will look to muscle up in defence in close, attack the lineout, and hope the backline doesn't fire. If they can do that, it'll be tight.

                              Edit: that is a bland loose forward trio, particularly in the lineouts.

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                              @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                              So, who's carrying the ball?

                              I wouldn’t underestimate Darry on that front. Did quite a bit of in close carrying for the Blues this year. This will allow Vaa’i to be a little wider too. At 6 Blackadder is a more active ball carrier than when he plays 7.

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                              • Landers92L Landers92

                                @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now

                                it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.

                                I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years

                                Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.

                                As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.

                                I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.

                                Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.

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                                @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now

                                it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.

                                I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years

                                Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.

                                As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.

                                I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.

                                Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.

                                Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
                                6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.

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                                • ChrisC Chris

                                  @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                  @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                  @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                  Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now

                                  it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.

                                  I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years

                                  Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.

                                  As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.

                                  I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.

                                  Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.

                                  Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
                                  6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.

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                                  @Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                  @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                  @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                  @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                  Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now

                                  it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.

                                  I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years

                                  Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.

                                  As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.

                                  I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.

                                  Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.

                                  Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
                                  6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.

                                  We are talking about Blackadder here, a guy whose body is already broken.

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                                  • Landers92L Landers92

                                    @Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                    @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                    @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                    @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                    Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now

                                    it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.

                                    I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years

                                    Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.

                                    As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.

                                    I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.

                                    Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.

                                    Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
                                    6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.

                                    We are talking about Blackadder here, a guy whose body is already broken.

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                                    @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                    @Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                    @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                    @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                    @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                    Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now

                                    it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.

                                    I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years

                                    Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.

                                    As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.

                                    I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.

                                    Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.

                                    Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
                                    6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.

                                    We are talking about Blackadder here, a guy whose body is already broken.

                                    Well is it now though he has been good for the last while maybe he is over the injuries and will push forward.

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                                      @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                      @Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                      @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                      @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                      @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                      Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now

                                      it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.

                                      I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years

                                      Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.

                                      As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.

                                      I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.

                                      Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.

                                      Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
                                      6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.

                                      We are talking about Blackadder here, a guy whose body is already broken.

                                      Well is it now though he has been good for the last while maybe he is over the injuries and will push forward.

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                                      @Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                      @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                      @Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                      @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                      @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                      @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                      Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now

                                      it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.

                                      I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years

                                      Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.

                                      As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.

                                      I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.

                                      Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.

                                      Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
                                      6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.

                                      We are talking about Blackadder here, a guy whose body is already broken.

                                      Well is it now though he has been good for the last while maybe he is over the injuries and will push forward.

                                      Come on mate. 2 Crusaders games on the bounce and an All Blacks test against Fiji isn’t exactly ‘the last while’, it’s 3 games. He was injured during the England series as well…

                                      Like I said, when healthy the guy is a weapon but unfortunately we hardly get to see that. I do hope he can stay healthy, but my opinion about him being at his peak now won’t change.

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                                        @Canes4life ALB is the best center in the country by a mile. Probably the best 12 as well.

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                                        @kpkanz lol no he isn't, he looked much better at 12 playing more direct. Proctor was the form centre in Super. ALB has had how many tests and couldn't manage to lock down a starting spot? I wouldn't say he's ahead of his peers at all but this is yet another opportunity to stake a claim.

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                                          @Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          @Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now

                                          it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.

                                          I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years

                                          Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.

                                          As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.

                                          I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.

                                          Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.

                                          Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
                                          6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.

                                          We are talking about Blackadder here, a guy whose body is already broken.

                                          Well is it now though he has been good for the last while maybe he is over the injuries and will push forward.

                                          Come on mate. 2 Crusaders games on the bounce and an All Blacks test against Fiji isn’t exactly ‘the last while’, it’s 3 games. He was injured during the England series as well…

                                          Like I said, when healthy the guy is a weapon but unfortunately we hardly get to see that. I do hope he can stay healthy, but my opinion about him being at his peak now won’t change.

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                                          @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          @Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          @Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          @Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          @canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:

                                          Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now

                                          it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.

                                          I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years

                                          Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.

                                          As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.

                                          I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.

                                          Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.

                                          Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
                                          6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.

                                          We are talking about Blackadder here, a guy whose body is already broken.

                                          Well is it now though he has been good for the last while maybe he is over the injuries and will push forward.

                                          Come on mate. 2 Crusaders games on the bounce and an All Blacks test against Fiji isn’t exactly ‘the last while’, it’s 3 games.

                                          Like I said, when healthy the guy is a weapon but unfortunately we hardly get to see that. I do hope he can stay healthy, but my opinion about him being at his peak now won’t change.

                                          We are talking about now still not injured is he, so let us see what happens.
                                          If he goes down again then probably time to move on.

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