All Blacks v Argentina II
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My takeaways from the starting XV.
I like the balance of the wingers better than Telea and Reece. Clarke and Jordan offer the Julian Savea/Ben Smith type balance.
Would you not start Ofa at loose head considering he’s been playing and Tamaiti hasn’t? Or are we just are just going throw another crusader straight into the starting xv who hasn’t played a lot of minutes at all this year….. not a shock. Thought having experience on the field would be a big thing in this game seeing as they harp on about how you can’t replace experience.
Shocked TJP is still starting, would prefer Ratima but I guess this is his chance to step up as a leader and prove why he should still be in the 23.
A shame De Groot has hurt his neck. Hope it isn’t serious.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My takeaways from the starting XV.
I like the balance of the wingers better than Telea and Reece. Clarke and Jordan offer the Julian Savea/Ben Smith type balance.
Would you not start Ofa at loose head considering he’s been playing and Tamaiti hasn’t? Or are we just are just going throw another crusader straight into the starting xv who hasn’t played a lot of minutes at all this year….. not a shock. Thought having experience on the field would be a big thing in this game seeing as they harp on about how you can’t replace experience.
Shocked TJP is still starting, would prefer Ratima but I guess this is his chance to step up as a leader and prove why he should still be in the 23.
A shame De Groot has hurt his neck. Hope it isn’t serious.
I supect they've lessoned a learning -- better to have old heads on at end.
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Cane confirmed in the interview he was covering 8 if Ardie goes down.
I mean... I like Cane and we need his starch but Sotutu must be sick as a parrot.
Ardie (who was in Japan) is being covered by an openside (who was in Japan).
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
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For me only one real question from team: what exactly is the status of Finau? Not playing Fiji was uncontroversial, and selected in TRC squad. Why not sighted since?? When Raz asked in PC after Puma I announcement, he merely said, 'He wasn't selected' and clearly didn't want to discuss.
Other than EDG injury the 23 was entirely as expected.
The problem is that TWM are paying the price for extremely poor TRC squad selection.
No real gimme matches so all 36 needed to be able to come on for last 15 when heat on.
Bell, Sititi and Hotham ought to have been kept for EOYTs, either for ABs or XV.
The obvious experienced players were Ricatelli, Akira/Hoskins and Christie.
All of whom would have been real chances to be in 23 for Saturday had they been in squad.
The selected ones may be seen by TWM as having higher ceilings, but even if that is so, this isn't Super where periods of lessons can be accomodated.
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So maybe the plan is to move Barrett/Vaai to 6 once the locks are all fit? Hence not bothering to invest in a blindside and making sure Blackadder gets in plenty of time in all positions for his move to the bench.
Ace.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones Well, if we assume Holland comes in next year, lock will be quite crowded.
Can they bring Fabian Holland as a pre eligibility apprentice on EOYT, just to train with the team or is that forbidden?
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Lord has the physical dimensions and sure he’s still a young pup but I think they’ll persist with him at least whilst he’s fit and there are injuries to two frontline locks.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lord has the physical dimensions and sure he’s still a young pup but I think they’ll persist with him at least whilst he’s fit and there are injuries to two frontline locks.
The key physical dimension he doesn't have is a weight of 125 kegs.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lord has the physical dimensions and sure he’s still a young pup but I think they’ll persist with him at least whilst he’s fit and there are injuries to two frontline locks.
The key physical dimension he doesn't have is a weight of 125 kegs.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lord has the physical dimensions and sure he’s still a young pup but I think they’ll persist with him at least whilst he’s fit and there are injuries to two frontline locks.
The key physical dimension he doesn't have is a weight of 125 kegs.
Whenever he's actually been able to string games together I've been impressed though, he definitely plays above his apparent weight. Whitelock seemed a bit of a lightweight to start with too.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lord has the physical dimensions and sure he’s still a young pup but I think they’ll persist with him at least whilst he’s fit and there are injuries to two frontline locks.
The key physical dimension he doesn't have is a weight of 125 kegs.
Whenever he's actually been able to string games together I've been impressed though, he definitely plays above his apparent weight. Whitelock seemed a bit of a lightweight to start with too.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones Well, if we assume Holland comes in next year, lock will be quite crowded.
Can they bring Fabian Holland as a pre eligibility apprentice on EOYT, just to train with the team or is that forbidden?
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones Well, if we assume Holland comes in next year, lock will be quite crowded.
Can they bring Fabian Holland as a pre eligibility apprentice on EOYT, just to train with the team or is that forbidden?
You can do what you want as long as they don't play for the abs
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Come on Foz you got this. I mean Razor
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Come on Foz you got this. I mean Razor
No wonder the ABs are on a slide. What with @Chris and @Bones and now you demanding your head coach put late-career John Holmes to shame. Your man’s got no time to select, let alone coach. You’ve got him so busy climaxing simultaneously with Ryan, splattering Fozzie like a plasterer’s radio, ejaculating on some random guy and if that’s not enough, the exhausted fella’s supposed to engage in some revolting act known only as “phrasing.” I shudder to think what that entails.
Makes one long for simpler times, when AB coaches only forced players to drink themselves stupid(er) after thrashing the boks or wallabies with Mexted’s astute commentary to keep your thoughts pure.
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So maybe the plan is to move Barrett/Vaai to 6 once the locks are all fit? Hence not bothering to invest in a blindside and making sure Blackadder gets in plenty of time in all positions for his move to the bench.
Ace.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
So maybe the plan is to move Barrett/Vaai to 6 once the locks are all fit? Hence not bothering to invest in a blindside and making sure Blackadder gets in plenty of time in all positions for his move to the bench.
Ace.
I had thought of this , won’t be surprised if we end up starting 3 locks
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Come on Foz you got this. I mean Razor
No wonder the ABs are on a slide. What with @Chris and @Bones and now you demanding your head coach put late-career John Holmes to shame. Your man’s got no time to select, let alone coach. You’ve got him so busy climaxing simultaneously with Ryan, splattering Fozzie like a plasterer’s radio, ejaculating on some random guy and if that’s not enough, the exhausted fella’s supposed to engage in some revolting act known only as “phrasing.” I shudder to think what that entails.
Makes one long for simpler times, when AB coaches only forced players to drink themselves stupid(er) after thrashing the boks or wallabies with Mexted’s astute commentary to keep your thoughts pure.
@Smuts said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Come on Foz you got this. I mean Razor
No wonder the ABs are on a slide. What with @Chris and @Bones and now you demanding your head coach put late-career John Holmes to shame. Your man’s got no time to select, let alone coach. You’ve got him so busy climaxing simultaneously with Ryan, splattering Fozzie like a plasterer’s radio, ejaculating on some random guy and if that’s not enough, the exhausted fella’s supposed to engage in some revolting act known only as “phrasing.” I shudder to think what that entails.
Makes one long for simpler times, when AB coaches only forced players to drink themselves stupid(er) after thrashing the boks or wallabies with Mexted’s astute commentary to keep your thoughts pure.
You OK, hon?
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So maybe the plan is to move Barrett/Vaai to 6 once the locks are all fit? Hence not bothering to invest in a blindside and making sure Blackadder gets in plenty of time in all positions for his move to the bench.
Ace.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
So maybe the plan is to move Barrett/Vaai to 6 once the locks are all fit? Hence not bothering to invest in a blindside and making sure Blackadder gets in plenty of time in all positions for his move to the bench.
Ace.
I hope not, because neither of those guys are very good at 6.
I think not, because if that were the medium-term plan then doing the exact opposite and selecting midgets is no way to prepare the team for that plan. -
Blackadder and TJ are the obvious problems. Managing Cane to his 100 is stupid as well.
Clarke will help massively with his work close to the ruck, and paper over a few forward problems with ball carrying. Much better in the air as well.
RI's pace will help blunt the Argies centre attack that embarassed us last week. ALB is too slow for centre, but could be a good option for 12.
Squad selection means this is as good as it's going to get.
The boks are going to demolish this group. Look at what happened in the last quarter when the pressure came on. Imagine 80mins of that. Fun.
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So maybe the plan is to move Barrett/Vaai to 6 once the locks are all fit? Hence not bothering to invest in a blindside and making sure Blackadder gets in plenty of time in all positions for his move to the bench.
Ace.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
So maybe the plan is to move Barrett/Vaai to 6 once the locks are all fit? Hence not bothering to invest in a blindside and making sure Blackadder gets in plenty of time in all positions for his move to the bench.
Ace.
If that’s the plan, it is, at least a plan.
However, since Finau was selected as the backup lock / 6, you’d expect him there now in that pattern even if he is 3rd choice.
I honestly don’t know what they are trying to achieve - the line out has descended to a fucking mess and they don’t seem to care.
However, the coaches do seem confident about their plan - the solution it seems was that we needed one more 7 on the bench. I hope it works out.
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Blackadder and TJ are the obvious problems. Managing Cane to his 100 is stupid as well.
Clarke will help massively with his work close to the ruck, and paper over a few forward problems with ball carrying. Much better in the air as well.
RI's pace will help blunt the Argies centre attack that embarassed us last week. ALB is too slow for centre, but could be a good option for 12.
Squad selection means this is as good as it's going to get.
The boks are going to demolish this group. Look at what happened in the last quarter when the pressure came on. Imagine 80mins of that. Fun.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Blackadder and TJ are the obvious problems. Managing Cane to his 100 is stupid as well.
Clarke will help massively with his work close to the ruck, and paper over a few forward problems with ball carrying. Much better in the air as well.
RI's pace will help blunt the Argies centre attack that embarassed us last week. ALB is too slow for centre, but could be a good option for 12.
Squad selection means this is as good as it's going to get.
The boks are going to demolish this group. Look at what happened in the last quarter when the pressure came on. Imagine 80mins of that. Fun.
sounds about right, its the original squad selection thats resulted in a few of these questionable decisions
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Blackadder and TJ are the obvious problems. Managing Cane to his 100 is stupid as well.
Clarke will help massively with his work close to the ruck, and paper over a few forward problems with ball carrying. Much better in the air as well.
RI's pace will help blunt the Argies centre attack that embarassed us last week. ALB is too slow for centre, but could be a good option for 12.
Squad selection means this is as good as it's going to get.
The boks are going to demolish this group. Look at what happened in the last quarter when the pressure came on. Imagine 80mins of that. Fun.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Squad selection means this is as good as it's going to get.
The boks are going to demolish this group. Look at what happened in the last quarter when the pressure came on. Imagine 80mins of that. Fun.
Playing the boks will be ugly and by that I don't mean that it will be record thrashings making us look like RWC minnows in pool play. But I just don't think that the AB's will ever be in control of a game against SA this season, we'll be competitive, we might even get close but I can't see this team being able to control, or dictate play against SA.
I really, really do hope I'm wrong, but this season so far hasn't been a case of one step forward and two steps back - just merely going around in circles.
