Fix the Wallabies
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<p>Does it? All I see are anecdotes from the past few years where this bloke thinks his club has been slighted.</p>
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<p>I think it would be far more effective if he gave some stats about dropping player numbers</p>
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<p>Like the drop in clubs playing subbies rugby?</p> -
<p>Yeah but that's in Sydney, that's not his point.</p>
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I'm not trying to say things are rosey. Everyone knows numbers are down across the board - in town, in the bush, juniors etc.</p>
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<p>I'm not sure that the drop in numbers is purely an Aussie phenomenon. In England, overall numbers may look good but at grass roots level there are fewer seniors playing than before. I have nothing to back this up but anecdotal evidence but it seems that guys are retiring much earlier. We are not seeing these blokes playing on into their late thirties and early forties as before and these guys were the backbone of both the lower sides at club level and the running of the clubs themselves.</p>
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<p>There is definitely a move away from contact sports at an adult level. Increasingly people are turning to fast, active, non-contact participation sports like touch rugby, indoor soccer, mixed netball etc.</p>
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<p>I haven't looked at numbers, but I'd be willing to bet senior numbers are down in AFL and League as well.</p>
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<p>My experience matches yours Canto - blokes retiring younger, wanting to keep their bodies in decent shape and have their weekends to themselves. There are less and less blokes in their 30s, 40s and 50s playing rugby. It's a shame because these guys are like gold dust to a footy club, full of knowledge and great stories.</p> -
Matt Burke wades in <a class="bbc_url" href="http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/83880026/Bledisloe-Cup-2016-All-Blacks-master-the-grey-areas">http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/83880026/Bledisloe-Cup-2016-All-Blacks-master-the-grey-areas</a><br><br>
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<p>Franks really should have been given a break for a few weeks (imo). </p>
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<p>I also cannot work out why Aus persist with Moore as captain. He constantly gets on the wrong side of refs and it seems to impact (rightly or wrongly) on how refs interact with him. Would Aus be better going with co-captains with the other captain being the one who talks to the ref?</p> -
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<p>Matt Burke wades in <a class="bbc_url" href="http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/83880026/Bledisloe-Cup-2016-All-Blacks-master-the-grey-areas">http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/83880026/Bledisloe-Cup-2016-All-Blacks-master-the-grey-areas</a><br><br>
I love the sound of Aussie whinging in the morning, it sounds like victory.....</p>
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<p>Lol, he's whinging about a marginal forward pass now. Didn't hear squat from him in 07.</p>
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<p>"Referees, touch judges and the governing bodies are making weak calls in games involving the All Blacks."<br>
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<p>He's essentially calling the refs cheats. It always makes me laugh when opposition fans raise this. Why wold a neutral referee deliberately go out to favour the All Blacks, when we all know that the rest of the rugby world including World Rugby would prefer not to have such a dominant team for the betterment of the game. That accusation makes no sense at all. I see he decided to conveniently not mention Moore's elbow to Whitelock's head. If ever there was a red card offence....</p> -
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For what?<br>
2 weeks for doing no harm but looking like you could do harm?<br><br>
The new Aussie lock would have to get 2 weeks for the same thing against Read<br><br>
Rougerie gets no ban for actually gouging and people want Franks banned for not doing any damage.<br><br>
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<p>For what?<br>
2 weeks for doing no harm but looking like you could do harm?<br><br>
The new Aussie lock would have to get 2 weeks for the same thing against Read<br><br>
Rougerie gets no ban for actually gouging and people want Franks banned for not doing any damage.<br><br>
Franks looks worse than it actually is, big deal</p>
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<p>For intentionally giving a 'face rub' that made contact with the eye area (actually looks like thumb makes contact with the eye). </p>
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There is a picture of the Aussie doing the same thing in the natch thread...the fact the media haven't jumped on this one shows bias
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This would explain the unexpected D lapses: http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/09/07/has-the-pooper-run-its-course/
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Not sure whether this is the thread to post this ...
ARU, schools in historic talks as major reforms loom for grassroots of rugby
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That can only be a positive thing. Its not that people outside the GPS never get into rugby, its just that the level of competition drops off a cliff outside a few select schools, particularly outside First XV, and there is no real incentive to get better.
Its comforting to hear that the schools themselves want a bit of help in streamlining everything, too. Sometimes those organisations can be a bit self-serving.
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<p><strong><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.rugbynews.net.au/think-australian-rugbys-struggling-try-heading-to-the-bush/'>THINK AUSTRALIAN RUGBYâ€
S STRUGGLING? TRY HEADING TO THE BUSH!</a></strong><br>
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<p>By Toby Tancred</p>
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<p>In my house, all the important decisions are made at the family dinner table. So a few weeks ago, I asked my three sons and my wife who they would rather watch on the weekend; the Roosters, Swans, Sydney FC, Emus (our local rugby club in Orange) or the Wallabies.</p>
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<p>Number one son was quick as a flash with his response in favour of the Swans. Number two son went the way of the Roosters. Number three son, being a cunning little bugger, initially went for the Wallabies thinking that was the answer I wanted to hear. Upon clarifying that I wanted him to tell me which team he really loved watching, he changed his answer to Emus. My wife went for the Wallabies but only if the match was played at Moore Park. Of the five choices, watching a Wallabies test, for me, came a very distant last.</p>
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<p>Iâ€ve been a rugby fan for as along as I can remember. My grandfather and his brothers toured the British Isles with the 1927-28 Waratahs. He then went on to manage (I.e coach) the 1947-48 Wallabies. His love of the game was passed on to my father who in turn passed it on to me. My father-in-law and brother-in-law were very good rugby players both representing the Waratahs. I was if nothing an enthusiastic long time rugby player only being held back by a lack of size, courage and ability.</p>
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<p>But still, how could my family, my rugby family, choose to watch other codes over the Wallabies? Itâ€s more confusing when you consider that for the last ten years I have been heavily involved in my local rugby club variously as player, coach, board member, president, first XV manager and sponsor.</p>
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<p>The answer, I believe, is that the ARU, the Wallabies, and more broadly professional rugby in Australia, exists in a parallel and entirely disconnected universe to that which I and many thousands of others inhabit.</p>
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<p>I donâ€t have all the answers, but the ARU must immediately embrace the notion that rugby in Australia is a game for participants, not spectators. It is a game not a product. It is not a business.</p>
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<p>Heaven forbid, we could go the way of professional NFL in the United States where the ability to participate ceases at the end of High School, save for the exceptional few.</p>
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<p>Although weâ€re not far off that here.</p>
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<p>In 2000, the Sydney Subbies club that I played for had six grades, each side with reserves and colts. The Subbies competition had seven divisions and over 70 Clubs. Season 2016 saw the clubs reduced to less than fifty, player numbers halved and one club suspended for, if youâ€re squeamish look away, paying players.</p>
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<p>I can offer some recent experiences that are emblematic of the ARUâ€s inability to read the mood.</p>
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<p>The first is a good story. In early 2013 I was contacted by our hard working regional rugby development officer, Mark Debrincat. He asked if Emus would be interested in hosting a coaching session to be attended by Robbie Deans and it was a definite yes.</p>
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<p>Deans drove himself to Orange from Sydney and arrived at Emus home ground mid-afternoon and then set about supervising and coaching literally hundreds of junior players for over three hours. Following that he conducted a coaching clinic for coaches from all the Central West clubs with the Emus and Orange City first XV sides as the crash test dummies.</p>
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<p>He then retired to the Emus clubhouse and spoke to the assembled throng. Deans was in his element and you could tell that he got it. He kept saying, “you people are important.†He told many great stories but one still rings in my ears. Pointing to the main field he said, “when the shit hits the fan out there, no one cares about your pay packet.â€</p>
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<p>Robbie hung around after speaking to the many people whom he had impressed and was one of the last to leave. I gave him a carton of wine from our club sponsor to thank him for his troubles and I still cannot forget how genuinely grateful he was. But of course heâ€s a Kiwi, they get it.</p>
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<p>Robbie Deans and the ARU have now parted ways. But it says a lot about Deans, that he was willing to attend a regional area in a foreign country, apparently his own idea, to spread the rugby gospel.</p>
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<p>This year I tried to get Michael Cheika to attend our annual Long Lunch as our guest speaker. He had prior commitments, even though the date was flexible to suit his convenience. I donâ€t blame him; he was probably up all night knowing that the World Cup was an aberration and there was a hell of a long season ahead.</p>
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<p>During the 2014 season when Ewan McKenzie was still head coach, the ARU, to its credit sent the Wallabies out to Central West NSW to train on consecutive days in Dubbo, Orange and Bathurst.</p>
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<p>Several weeks prior to the attendance of the Wallabies, an advance party of ARU employees were sent to inspect the designated facilities at Emus†home ground. The main field at Emus was deemed not worthy for the Wallabies to train on. Instead the Wallabies trained on the carpet like plush fields of a local private school.</p>
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<p>I have no doubt that this was interpreted by many observers as reinforcement of the old notions of rugby being a game for the blue bloods. We were told by one official “come on, can you imagine if Kurtley rolled his ankle – the media would have a field day.†It was a lost opportunity.</p>
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<p>To their credit several Wallabies attended Emus training that evening and stayed for a drink and a question and answer session in the clubhouse after training. There was however almost no excitement for their presence and the very small audience was embarrassing for all concerned.</p>
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<p>Later in the 2014 season I received a telephone call to let me know that Orange had been chosen as a venue for a NSW Country Eagles NRC game. The date, time and venue were all locked in. They asked what assistance Emus could provide? Myself and several representatives of Emus together with representatives of other rugby clubs in Orange attended a meeting and it was obvious that the expectation was that the local rugby clubs would be responsible for all the heavy lifting in the organisation of the match day.</p>
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<p>It was also obvious that the ARU, or whoever was charged with responsibility for organising the National Rugby Championship, had assumed that the rugby community in Orange would jump to and feel privileged to assist. Never mind we were told when the game would occur and where, not asked. The privilege involved a lot of hard work and inconvenience and came the week after the grand final of our own rugby competition.</p>
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<p>After the caravan had rolled in and out of town, one was left wondering what it was all about. A man and a dog turned up to watch a game that itself was a spectacle of no greater quality than a Shute Shield first grade match. Even though Mr Pulver attended the match, there was no thanks forthcoming from anyone in any official capacity at the ARU for all the hard voluntary work conducted by local rugby supporters.</p>
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<p>But we did get to keep the money we made from the BBQ.</p>
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<p>Four years ago at Emus we tried to get Foxtel connected to our clubhouse so people could watch Super Rugby. $50,000 for the pleasure. The local Austar rep made it clear that the price had been set by the ARU. No thanks. At the start of last year some bright spark realised the cost being charged was prohibitive and we were offered a markedly reduced price. The club now has Foxtel but the only people who watch the Super Rugby games are the Kiwis in our club. Iâ€m not sure why?</p>
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<p>Three weeks ago at the same time as our first XV played Dubbo Rhinos, the Shute Shield grand final was being played on the television in the clubhouse. Lots of people were keenly watching both games and by the last twenty minutes of the Shute Shield decider, more were watching Uni and Norths despite the fact that Emus were putting the cleaners through a determined Dubbo side. The roar from the clubhouse when Norths clinched victory could be heard by our players on the main field – they knew they were playing well, but not that well.</p>
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<p>Stories like these can be heard in country towns right around Australia and itâ€s only getting worse. To be honest, in Orange we are lucky, the neglect is far harsher elsewhere and the game is quickly dying.</p>
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<p>If the ARU wants to adopt a corporate model for the Wallabies then it will live and die by that decision but it could at least have the decency to do it properly and give us a team of which we can be rightly proud.</p>
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<p>The sums of money that are pulled out of the game by those who sit behind a desk at ARU headquarters is breathtaking.</p>
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<p>If the ARU were a public company the board and CEO would have been voted out long ago by the shareholders. If it were a private company it would be in liquidation and if it was a local rugby club, those behind the desks would struggle to get a run off the bench in third grade</p>@antipodean How the ABs do it: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11703616
But Marshall notes (in second half) that despite a strong NPC Kiwi club rugby is also under pressure: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/Justin-Marshall/news/article.cfm?a_id=916&objectid=11703650
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Bottom line already hurting from player salaries!<br><br>
Although I just heard the players union will be asking for our Women's 7s to get paid the same as the men. Good move. Women's might be the only silver lining moving forward, and bring Olympic will help get it into schools@NTA said in Fix the Wallabies:
Bottom line already hurting from player salaries!
Although I just heard the players union will be asking for our Women's 7s to get paid the same as the men. Good move. Women's might be the only silver lining moving forward, and bring Olympic will help get it into schoolsThe last contracts signed by Sir Richie and Dan Carter a couple of years ago were for about $600,000 to $650,000 pa.
Two years before then the ARU had at least four players on at least $750,000 pa, three of whom had played about three weeks of Club rugby, and didn't know how to tackle, and were arguably, on paper, don't get me wrong unquestionably best-in- the-world, most exciting talents to ever take the field.
As it happened their superb outstandingness didn't come to pass but everyone involved kept their jobs.
