Springboks vs All Blacks I
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@Billy-Tell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
The tight forwards looked good to me, would slip Ofa off the bench and welcome back the Groot but it is what it is.
But BB had another blah game, Ioane needs to recover his attacking mojo, and I'm still not convinced on Mark T, can he jump in the air, can he keep up? A weapon if he is back to 100%Loosies for me, Cane was doing ok but overall they are too slow and not dangerous. I'd be tempted to bench Ardie and find a faster player at 6 or 7 (Lakai?) I agree there is a height problem but note if Cane was at 6 he'd lose a cm against EB. Going by stats. And plays like a 6. I do note Matfield praised EB's meddling against the Argie lineout but EB just doesn't seem to know what to do with the ball when in hand.
Ardie is not going to be benched. We get these wistful hopeful posts every game he plays. Not going to happen.
Of course he's not, there's no one to replace him.
Easy to see why they left Sotutu put though, what with all Ardie's massive impact so far on both attack and defence.
@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
The tight forwards looked good to me, would slip Ofa off the bench and welcome back the Groot but it is what it is.
But BB had another blah game, Ioane needs to recover his attacking mojo, and I'm still not convinced on Mark T, can he jump in the air, can he keep up? A weapon if he is back to 100%Loosies for me, Cane was doing ok but overall they are too slow and not dangerous. I'd be tempted to bench Ardie and find a faster player at 6 or 7 (Lakai?) I agree there is a height problem but note if Cane was at 6 he'd lose a cm against EB. Going by stats. And plays like a 6. I do note Matfield praised EB's meddling against the Argie lineout but EB just doesn't seem to know what to do with the ball when in hand.
Ardie is not going to be benched. We get these wistful hopeful posts every game he plays. Not going to happen.
Of course he's not, there's no one to replace him.
Easy to see why they left Sotutu put though, what with all Ardie's massive impact so far on both attack and defence.
I thought our loosies were pretty good. The game was lost by poor options and indiscipline in the last 15. I fully expect the same starting loose forwards next week although I suppose they might restore papalili if he’s fit. Whether finau is on the bench is another matter. The guy that the forum went spare on because he missed the RWC squad looks out of his depth so far. This years pita gus.
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Has a player ever been penalised for calling out foul play from the other side to try and get a penalty before? Can anyone remember? I know they get walked 10m sometimes for backchat, but to penalise someone calling for a penalty was pretty unprecedented from what I can tell. We were dominating up to that point and it should have been 10-0, but that swung momentum, and then just to top it off the try they scored on the back of that momentum was complete horseshit.
I thought our players composed themselves well again after that, and we threatened to run away with it but just couldn't quite put them away. Then ill discipline cost us at the end when the game was closer than it should have been, and SA rode the wave home - credit to them for that.
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Has a player ever been penalised for calling out foul play from the other side to try and get a penalty before? Can anyone remember? I know they get walked 10m sometimes for backchat, but to penalise someone calling for a penalty was pretty unprecedented from what I can tell. We were dominating up to that point and it should have been 10-0, but that swung momentum, and then just to top it off the try they scored on the back of that momentum was complete horseshit.
I thought out players composed themselves well again after that, and we threatened to run away with it but just couldn't quite put them away. Then ill discipline cost us at the end when the game was closer than it should have been, and SA rode the wave home - credit to them for that.
We were so close to winning, we just found a way to lose. But it was nice to see a plan, despite questionable execution at times. Considering how hard it is to win in the Republic, especially Ellis Park, I hope we look back at the end of the season and see this as a foundational performance that leads to better things
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Press pointed out that we are 0-34 in the last twenty mins for the RC. Razor didn't realized 'I'll have a look at that' FFS that's worryingly dumb for a head coach
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Press pointed out that we are 0-34 in the last twenty mins for the RC. Razor didn't realized 'I'll have a look at that' FFS that's worryingly dumb for a head coach
Maybe he just didn't want to say anything else? I can't believe he didn't know the stats
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@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Press pointed out that we are 0-34 in the last twenty mins for the RC. Razor didn't realized 'I'll have a look at that' FFS that's worryingly dumb for a head coach
Maybe he just didn't want to say anything else? I can't believe he didn't know the stats
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Press pointed out that we are 0-34 in the last twenty mins for the RC. Razor didn't realized 'I'll have a look at that' FFS that's worryingly dumb for a head coach
Maybe he just didn't want to say anything else? I can't believe he didn't know the stats
"That's the first time I've heard that stat, so good work," Robertson told the reporter. "I'll have a look at it."
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Press pointed out that we are 0-34 in the last twenty mins for the RC. Razor didn't realized 'I'll have a look at that' FFS that's worryingly dumb for a head coach
Maybe he just didn't want to say anything else? I can't believe he didn't know the stats
"That's the first time I've heard that stat, so good work," Robertson told the reporter. "I'll have a look at it."
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Press pointed out that we are 0-34 in the last twenty mins for the RC. Razor didn't realized 'I'll have a look at that' FFS that's worryingly dumb for a head coach
Maybe he just didn't want to say anything else? I can't believe he didn't know the stats
"That's the first time I've heard that stat, so good work," Robertson told the reporter. "I'll have a look at it."
Jeez......
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Press pointed out that we are 0-34 in the last twenty mins for the RC. Razor didn't realized 'I'll have a look at that' FFS that's worryingly dumb for a head coach
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Press pointed out that we are 0-34 in the last twenty mins for the RC. Razor didn't realized 'I'll have a look at that' FFS that's worryingly dumb for a head coach
Is it? Do you expect an AB coach to know every possible statistic that might be thrown his way?
IMO we get much more out of this test than SA. We had that game and we can look at how we finish out the matches.
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@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Press pointed out that we are 0-34 in the last twenty mins for the RC. Razor didn't realized 'I'll have a look at that' FFS that's worryingly dumb for a head coach
Is it? Do you expect an AB coach to know every possible statistic that might be thrown his way?
IMO we get much more out of this test than SA. We had that game and we can look at how we finish out the matches.
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Is it? Do you expect an AB coach to know every possible statistic that might be thrown his way?
You're kidding right? If he wasn't foxing, it's an extremely remarkable confession. What coach worth his salt wouldn't know this most basic of statistics?
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Had a sleep still annoyed
The whole crowd goes quiet and still a try. Give us a break. -
Press pointed out that we are 0-34 in the last twenty mins for the RC. Razor didn't realized 'I'll have a look at that' FFS that's worryingly dumb for a head coach
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Press pointed out that we are 0-34 in the last twenty mins for the RC. Razor didn't realized 'I'll have a look at that' FFS that's worryingly dumb for a head coach
I watched the presser and with my old man hearing I didn’t catch what the stat was but heard what razor said .
Bloody hell, im not sure what’s more worrying, , the stat itself or razors reaction
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I'm not seeing too much criticism of the tight 5 or set pieces. That's a good thing
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@Billy-Tell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Is it? Do you expect an AB coach to know every possible statistic that might be thrown his way?
You're kidding right? If he wasn't foxing, it's an extremely remarkable confession. What coach worth his salt wouldn't know this most basic of statistics?
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Is it? Do you expect an AB coach to know every possible statistic that might be thrown his way?
You're kidding right? If he wasn't foxing, it's an extremely remarkable confession. What coach worth his salt wouldn't know this most basic of statistics?
Storm teacup.
Mountain molehillI won’t be starting a lynch mob.
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@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Is it? Do you expect an AB coach to know every possible statistic that might be thrown his way?
You're kidding right? If he wasn't foxing, it's an extremely remarkable confession. What coach worth his salt wouldn't know this most basic of statistics?
Storm teacup.
Mountain molehillI won’t be starting a lynch mob.
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Is it? Do you expect an AB coach to know every possible statistic that might be thrown his way?
You're kidding right? If he wasn't foxing, it's an extremely remarkable confession. What coach worth his salt wouldn't know this most basic of statistics?
Storm teacup.
Mountain molehillI won’t be starting a lynch mob.
Shit those goalposts just disappeared completely innit.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I'll just leave these right here
He didn't even get it over the line FFS
Being very contrary but consider the complexity of the laws, did
Jordie knock the ball on in the tackle?
Did Mbonambi then ground the ball playing under SA advantage?I would argue JB was trying to hold him up and he dropped the ball short. Surely the carrier has to accept some responsibility? It is frustrating that the TMO butts their head in routinely, and yet here they were strangely silent. But the ABs clearly didn't know either because even JB didn't protest the call
JB did protest, you can see him gesture with his hands, but after the TJP penalty it was rather subdued.
Time for Captain's challenges?
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I'll just leave these right here
He didn't even get it over the line FFS
Being very contrary but consider the complexity of the laws, did
Jordie knock the ball on in the tackle?
Did Mbonambi then ground the ball playing under SA advantage?I would argue JB was trying to hold him up and he dropped the ball short. Surely the carrier has to accept some responsibility? It is frustrating that the TMO butts their head in routinely, and yet here they were strangely silent. But the ABs clearly didn't know either because even JB didn't protest the call
JB did protest, you can see him gesture with his hands, but after the TJP penalty it was rather subdued.
Time for Captain's challenges?
No fucking way. Improve the current system rather than descend to that steaming pile of horse manure..
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I'll just leave these right here
He didn't even get it over the line FFS
Being very contrary but consider the complexity of the laws, did
Jordie knock the ball on in the tackle?
Did Mbonambi then ground the ball playing under SA advantage?I would argue JB was trying to hold him up and he dropped the ball short. Surely the carrier has to accept some responsibility? It is frustrating that the TMO butts their head in routinely, and yet here they were strangely silent. But the ABs clearly didn't know either because even JB didn't protest the call
JB did protest, you can see him gesture with his hands, but after the TJP penalty it was rather subdued.
Time for Captain's challenges?
No fucking way. Improve the current system rather than descend to that steaming pile of horse manure..
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I'll just leave these right here
He didn't even get it over the line FFS
Being very contrary but consider the complexity of the laws, did
Jordie knock the ball on in the tackle?
Did Mbonambi then ground the ball playing under SA advantage?I would argue JB was trying to hold him up and he dropped the ball short. Surely the carrier has to accept some responsibility? It is frustrating that the TMO butts their head in routinely, and yet here they were strangely silent. But the ABs clearly didn't know either because even JB didn't protest the call
JB did protest, you can see him gesture with his hands, but after the TJP penalty it was rather subdued.
Time for Captain's challenges?
No fucking way. Improve the current system rather than descend to that steaming pile of horse manure..
It doesn't even need improvement, refs just need to be held to account when they ignore the most basic of processes/laws.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Where was that game when Jimmy Cowan, rightly had a try scrubbed, but outside the scope of the TMO at the time.
South Africa!
'would you like to know about the forward pass'... when the TMO was limited to 'the act of scoring'
/sigh
@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Where was that game when Jimmy Cowan, rightly had a try scrubbed, but outside the scope of the TMO at the time.
South Africa!
'would you like to know about the forward pass'... when the TMO was limited to 'the act of scoring'
/sigh
Dagg.
George Clancy was ref.
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Read through the thread from the game comments onwards.
Had to chuckle at some of the comments about the ref - I was reminded of when the shoe was on the other foot a few years ago. Did Brace make some mistakes? Of course. No ref is ever perfect. Was it disproportionately against the AB's? No. Was Mbonambi's try incorrectly awarded - in my opinion, yes. Unlucky for the AB's. Maybe a game changer, maybe not. But such is sport. And before any AB fan starts posting about other calls they didn't like, rest assured there is a list of marginal calls against the Boks that can be trotted out too.But I really wanted to comment about the game in the clear light of day.
A proper Boks v AB test in my view.
Yes, both teams made some errors - who wouldn't with the amount of pressure the other team puts on you.
But it was thoroughly absorbing. I thought the scrums and lineouts were incredibly even. The AB's perhaps shading the lineouts - the Boks had trouble securing their own throws which is not something we are used to.
I thought the AB's kicked more than I'm used to, a mixture of some very good options to unlock the rush D, mixed with the occasional average execution. It was even in the loose too, maybe with the Boks shading it late in the game.
I thought with less than 11 minutes to go, being 10 points down the game was gone for the Boks. Glad they found a way.
My take on it all is that the difference between the sides is virtually zero. I look forward to another nailbiter next Saturday. -
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I'll just leave these right here
He didn't even get it over the line FFS
Being very contrary but consider the complexity of the laws, did
Jordie knock the ball on in the tackle?
Did Mbonambi then ground the ball playing under SA advantage?In theory he may have, and let’s say he did, the fact is that it’s never been reffed like that in a tackle. It has been reffed as a knock on from a strip/rip but that’s not what Jordie did.
Plenty of times it’s been called as a defensive knock on when a hand or head in the tackle has seen the ball squeezed out like a zit
No it doesn't Mike, you're over egging it. It's only called that way if it's a strip or a hand on the pass. Not if you hit someone and they drop it, that's just stupid.
We’ll agree to disagree
Because I’ve seen it with my own eyes and heard the explanation from the ref on his mic
I'll agree if you can cite a couple of examples.
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I'll just leave these right here
He didn't even get it over the line FFS
Being very contrary but consider the complexity of the laws, did
Jordie knock the ball on in the tackle?
Did Mbonambi then ground the ball playing under SA advantage?In theory he may have, and let’s say he did, the fact is that it’s never been reffed like that in a tackle. It has been reffed as a knock on from a strip/rip but that’s not what Jordie did.
Plenty of times it’s been called as a defensive knock on when a hand or head in the tackle has seen the ball squeezed out like a zit
No it doesn't Mike, you're over egging it. It's only called that way if it's a strip or a hand on the pass. Not if you hit someone and they drop it, that's just stupid.
We’ll agree to disagree
Because I’ve seen it with my own eyes and heard the explanation from the ref on his mic
I'll agree if you can cite a couple of examples.
Will try to find something on YouTube
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@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Kiwidom said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet I agree but it's not the kiwi way . We leave that stuff to rassie etc
Well, except for the kiwis calling for refs to be executed etc.
Fuck that man. Death threats is the new get out of jail card for incompetence. Politicians and refs the world over are leaning on that particular gambit every time they shit the bed.
I hope Andrew Brace steps on dog shit and his flight home is delayed but I don’t want him deceased.
Well actually, fuck it. Kill him.
Ok you go onto my ignore list. Keep a control of yourself man.
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Kiwidom said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet I agree but it's not the kiwi way . We leave that stuff to rassie etc
Well, except for the kiwis calling for refs to be executed etc.
Fuck that man. Death threats is the new get out of jail card for incompetence. Politicians and refs the world over are leaning on that particular gambit every time they shit the bed.
I hope Andrew Brace steps on dog shit and his flight home is delayed but I don’t want him deceased.
Well actually, fuck it. Kill him.
Ok you go onto my ignore list. Keep a control of yourself man.
Ah lad I’m obviously joking.
