Springboks vs All Blacks I
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Nick Bishop felt Boks having three locks on at end (Nortje, PSDT and Eben) was very important for late maul tries: https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/rassie-erasmus-the-ultimate-high-stakes-gambler-goes-all-in-and-wins-big-again/
@pakman possibly. But the ABs were getting pumped all day at the maul. They gave up penalties on the first three mauls and, from memory, 5/8 total bok mauls.
Your bench forwards largely got manhandled all over the rest of the park too.
Bj Dickson who started at blindside also happens to be a lock/blindside like Pstd so I wouldn’t read too much into that theory
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb No disrespect but you've downplayed the Mbonambi lost ball. It's unacceptable and the officials should acknowledge they erred.
I would agree with that.
Very strange the TMO did not at least ask Brace to review his decision.@Billy-Webb there was high tackles on Fat Frans and Kolisi. Kolisi indicate the obstruction in the All Blacks first non try. But hey, it's done and dusted.
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From this clip all TJ appears to say to the ref is "whats that"....
No different really from jackalers shouting "Sir Sir Sir" "no release" calling for a penalty.
Dont mind him pinging it, but expect to see it every time.
That was a minimum 3 points for us that ended up a pen the other way.
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
From this clip all TJ appears to say to the ref is "whats that"....
No different really from jackalers shouting "Sir Sir Sir" "no release" calling for a penalty.
Dont mind him pinging it, but expect to see it every time.
That was a minimum 3 points for us that ended up a pen the other way.
That strikes me as a ref looking for a reason to penalise to impose his authoritay
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@sparky said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet He called it a sledge so I presume the ref was struggling with TJ's accent and thought that he was calling one of the Springboks a twat.
Brace to TJ
‘I’m going to give you a clear message - insult me like that and you leave the field”
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@sparky said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet He called it a sledge so I presume the ref was struggling with TJ's accent and thought that he was calling one of the Springboks a twat.
Brace to TJ
‘I’m going to give you a clear message - insult me like that and you leave the field”
I don't think that's what he said. I listened a couple of times with headphones. I have
TJ: 'what's that'Ref (after the whistle)
I'm going to give you a very clear message. Shout at me again and you're going to leave the field.I thought it was 'insult' - if so, ref arguably justified. But really? Reverse possession with a penalty for shouting -- and very justified. Clear penalty to the Blackness for a player rolling over the ball on teh wrong side, and int eh modern game it's approaching yellow card given the field position.
Very poor refereeing.
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@nzzp yeah that is absolutely appalling refereeing, he clearly isn't up to it if he can't control his emotions in that situation. That plus the knock on try should see him stood down for a period of time, that's just nowhere near good enough.
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I yearn for the glass jugs at the Fitz, PN.
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@nzzp yeah that is absolutely appalling refereeing, he clearly isn't up to it if he can't control his emotions in that situation. That plus the knock on try should see him stood down for a period of time, that's just nowhere near good enough.
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nzzp yeah that is absolutely appalling refereeing, he clearly isn't up to it if he can't control his emotions in that situation. That plus the knock on try should see him stood down for a period of time, that's just nowhere near good enough.
Two best teams in the world and they schedule that mong. The game deserved better
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@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
OK. Rewatched 60 to 75.
Blacks on top of Bomb Squad Boks from 60 - 63 when they get kickable penalty.
APPALLING OPTION. Take the kick. Over and game over. Miss and you get ball back.
Then we try Boks shift maul on them. WTF! We had edge in maul so KISS. A few phases and probably another pen or try.
They get lucky turnover and we try two Rieko specials, the second leading to another turnover.
WHY CHANGE A WINNING GAME?
That is where we took foot off throat.
That set move from the line-out was bizarre, I couldn't believe we tried it after the earlier success we had mauling from the top. I agree, that was the losing of the game, we should have buried them anyway never mind the Mbonabi try that shouldn't have stood.
We should blame ourselves for not finishing them off when we had the chance to against a decent, but overrated Boks outfit. Like, they're number 1, but no standout.
@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
OK. Rewatched 60 to 75.
Blacks on top of Bomb Squad Boks from 60 - 63 when they get kickable penalty.
APPALLING OPTION. Take the kick. Over and game over. Miss and you get ball back.
Then we try Boks shift maul on them. WTF! We had edge in maul so KISS. A few phases and probably another pen or try.
They get lucky turnover and we try two Rieko specials, the second leading to another turnover.
WHY CHANGE A WINNING GAME?
That is where we took foot off throat.
That set move from the line-out was bizarre, I couldn't believe we tried it after the earlier success we had mauling from the top. I agree, that was the losing of the game, we should have buried them anyway never mind the Mbonabi try that shouldn't have stood.
We should blame ourselves for not finishing them off when we had the chance to against a decent, but overrated Boks outfit. Like, they're number 1, but no standout.
Yeah I agree with this completely, trying to get clever when we had the chance to bury the game was extremely poor decision making. We don't have the smarts that previous AB teams had under McCaw with the likes of Conrad Smith etc in the mix. The decision making in the final 15 minutes cost us a match we should never have lost, and this is becoming a theme this year; very poor decision making and execution at the business end of the match.
SA by contrast have the luxury of bringing on very experienced world class players that play a lot smarter.
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For context, that's less than a single adult ticket to an NPC game.
/shakes head
An economy in the shitter isn't good for many things, but cheap booze at a rugby ground is one positive
@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
For context, that's less than a single adult ticket to an NPC game.
/shakes head
An economy in the shitter isn't good for many things, but cheap booze at a rugby ground is one positive
Still not enough to make me want to move there.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nzzp yeah that is absolutely appalling refereeing, he clearly isn't up to it if he can't control his emotions in that situation. That plus the knock on try should see him stood down for a period of time, that's just nowhere near good enough.
Two best teams in the world and they schedule that mong. The game deserved better
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nzzp yeah that is absolutely appalling refereeing, he clearly isn't up to it if he can't control his emotions in that situation. That plus the knock on try should see him stood down for a period of time, that's just nowhere near good enough.
Two best teams in the world and they schedule that mong. The game deserved better
Nothing will come of it. Wayne Barnes got a career after an appalling display of ineptitude. We were made to suffer as the pretence of "respecting the referee" kept getting thrown in our faces every time we were subjected to howlers. The only amateur hangover in a professional game.
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Apparently Stephen Donald on SENZ is convinced to give a penalty like that so early means the ref was prepped to watch out for TJ shouting at him.
EIther his own prep, or Rassie got to him - but it kind of makes sense.@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Apparently Stephen Donald on SENZ is convinced to give a penalty like that so early means the ref was prepped to watch out for TJ shouting at him.
EIther his own prep, or Rassie got to him - but it kind of makes sense.Surely a calm and competent ref would caution him first.
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nzzp yeah that is absolutely appalling refereeing, he clearly isn't up to it if he can't control his emotions in that situation. That plus the knock on try should see him stood down for a period of time, that's just nowhere near good enough.
Two best teams in the world and they schedule that mong. The game deserved better
Nothing will come of it. Wayne Barnes got a career after an appalling display of ineptitude. We were made to suffer as the pretence of "respecting the referee" kept getting thrown in our faces every time we were subjected to howlers. The only amateur hangover in a professional game.
@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nzzp yeah that is absolutely appalling refereeing, he clearly isn't up to it if he can't control his emotions in that situation. That plus the knock on try should see him stood down for a period of time, that's just nowhere near good enough.
Two best teams in the world and they schedule that mong. The game deserved better
Nothing will come of it. Wayne Barnes got a career after an appalling display of ineptitude. We were made to suffer as the pretence of "respecting the referee" kept getting thrown in our faces every time we were subjected to howlers. The only amateur hangover in a professional game.
He is abysmal. I was more angry about some of the ruck calls than the Mbonambi try.
Because for the ruck calls he was inventing stuff that didnt happen.
The Bongi try was an error of omission.
The ruck penalties were pure guesswork/dishonesty.
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@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nzzp yeah that is absolutely appalling refereeing, he clearly isn't up to it if he can't control his emotions in that situation. That plus the knock on try should see him stood down for a period of time, that's just nowhere near good enough.
Two best teams in the world and they schedule that mong. The game deserved better
Nothing will come of it. Wayne Barnes got a career after an appalling display of ineptitude. We were made to suffer as the pretence of "respecting the referee" kept getting thrown in our faces every time we were subjected to howlers. The only amateur hangover in a professional game.
He is abysmal. I was more angry about some of the ruck calls than the Mbonambi try.
Because for the ruck calls he was inventing stuff that didnt happen.
The Bongi try was an error of omission.
The ruck penalties were pure guesswork/dishonesty.
@Jet thing is, he is calling what he sees, or at least his interpretation of what he sees in terms of the laws.
So there are 2 parts to that issue, one, his referee coaching, reviews and feedback, but more importantly, that refs can see the same thing but call it differently, meaning the problem is more than just them.
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@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nzzp yeah that is absolutely appalling refereeing, he clearly isn't up to it if he can't control his emotions in that situation. That plus the knock on try should see him stood down for a period of time, that's just nowhere near good enough.
Two best teams in the world and they schedule that mong. The game deserved better
Nothing will come of it. Wayne Barnes got a career after an appalling display of ineptitude. We were made to suffer as the pretence of "respecting the referee" kept getting thrown in our faces every time we were subjected to howlers. The only amateur hangover in a professional game.
He is abysmal. I was more angry about some of the ruck calls than the Mbonambi try.
Because for the ruck calls he was inventing stuff that didnt happen.
The Bongi try was an error of omission.
The ruck penalties were pure guesswork/dishonesty.
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
He is abysmal. I was more angry about some of the ruck calls than the Mbonambi try.
The reason TJ asked was because the SA rolled over the ball on the wrong side of the ruck. Penalty all day, and just ignored ... it was wild
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@Jet thing is, he is calling what he sees, or at least his interpretation of what he sees in terms of the laws.
So there are 2 parts to that issue, one, his referee coaching, reviews and feedback, but more importantly, that refs can see the same thing but call it differently, meaning the problem is more than just them.
@taniwharugby said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet thing is, he is calling what he sees, or at least his interpretation of what he sees in terms of the laws.
So there are 2 parts to that issue, one, his referee coaching, reviews and feedback, but more importantly, that refs can see the same thing but call it differently, meaning the problem is more than just them.
Its no good enough anymore.
They need to be held accountable.
They are seeing things that dont happen.
Like Barnes and Ardie in the RWC final "no release".
Cuts to big screen showing Ardie clearly releasing and Barnes hand waving it away with an excuse.
What should have been 3 points to us ends up being 3 points to them and we lost the RWC by 2 points.
