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  • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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    @booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @BlueWall_noReds said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    Interesting...

    Sep 2, 2024

    Female darts players threatened with disciplinary action for refusing to play transgender rivals

    Female darts players threatened with disciplinary action for refusing to play transgender rivals

    Crackdown has been condemned by those campaigning for trans women to be banned from female-only sport competitions

    Think we have a different bar as to what constitutes “interesting “

    Side note - why are there gendered darts competitions at all? Same with snooker, shooting etc

    Male abilities are different, not just strength. Spatial awareness for example.

    Read an interesting article a few weeks back on women motorcycle racers where things like balance, co-ordination and decision-making can be greatly affected by PMT & periods.

    It's generally self-managed by making people aware of the problem but is def. another point of difference/advantage for trans "females"

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  • voodooV Offline
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    @booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @BlueWall_noReds said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    Interesting...

    Sep 2, 2024

    Female darts players threatened with disciplinary action for refusing to play transgender rivals

    Female darts players threatened with disciplinary action for refusing to play transgender rivals

    Crackdown has been condemned by those campaigning for trans women to be banned from female-only sport competitions

    Think we have a different bar as to what constitutes “interesting “

    Side note - why are there gendered darts competitions at all? Same with snooker, shooting etc

    Male abilities are different, not just strength. Spatial awareness for example.

    But even strength can be beneficial in those sports, sometimes a little power is needed.

    The weirdest thing for me is running where males dominate at every distance, but the gap erodes as the distances get extreme (like 300kms) where female ultra-marathoners are right there and often win races

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  • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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    #1166

    @voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @BlueWall_noReds said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    Interesting...

    Sep 2, 2024

    Female darts players threatened with disciplinary action for refusing to play transgender rivals

    Female darts players threatened with disciplinary action for refusing to play transgender rivals

    Crackdown has been condemned by those campaigning for trans women to be banned from female-only sport competitions

    Think we have a different bar as to what constitutes “interesting “

    Side note - why are there gendered darts competitions at all? Same with snooker, shooting etc

    Male abilities are different, not just strength. Spatial awareness for example.

    But even strength can be beneficial in those sports, sometimes a little power is needed.

    The weirdest thing for me is running where males dominate at every distance, but the gap erodes as the distances get extreme (like 300kms) where female ultra-marathoners are right there and often win races

    Heard the gap changes with age too - as females get older they can get more competitive than males in ultras.

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    @voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @BlueWall_noReds said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    Interesting...

    Sep 2, 2024

    Female darts players threatened with disciplinary action for refusing to play transgender rivals

    Female darts players threatened with disciplinary action for refusing to play transgender rivals

    Crackdown has been condemned by those campaigning for trans women to be banned from female-only sport competitions

    Think we have a different bar as to what constitutes “interesting “

    Side note - why are there gendered darts competitions at all? Same with snooker, shooting etc

    Male abilities are different, not just strength. Spatial awareness for example.

    But even strength can be beneficial in those sports, sometimes a little power is needed.

    The weirdest thing for me is running where males dominate at every distance, but the gap erodes as the distances get extreme (like 300kms) where female ultra-marathoners are right there and often win races

    Sorry to break it to you but that is a myth. Check the records for each, the men’s records are still 15-17% quicker than the women’s - about the same percentage at every distance from 100metres up.

    Ross Tucker has talked about this, the reason women sometimes win those races is because of how incredibly niche they are, and the best women can be better than a non best man, but actually the best against best would still show male advantage.

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  • No QuarterN Offline
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    replied to Victor Meldrew on last edited by
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    @Victor-Meldrew said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @BlueWall_noReds said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    Interesting...

    Sep 2, 2024

    Female darts players threatened with disciplinary action for refusing to play transgender rivals

    Female darts players threatened with disciplinary action for refusing to play transgender rivals

    Crackdown has been condemned by those campaigning for trans women to be banned from female-only sport competitions

    Think we have a different bar as to what constitutes “interesting “

    Side note - why are there gendered darts competitions at all? Same with snooker, shooting etc

    Male abilities are different, not just strength. Spatial awareness for example.

    Read an interesting article a few weeks back on women motorcycle racers where things like balance, co-ordination and decision-making can be greatly affected by PMT & periods.

    It's generally self-managed by making people aware of the problem but is def. another point of difference/advantage for trans "females"

    Are you claiming trans women don't have periods? How dare you.

    On that note...

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  • nzzpN Online
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    @Dodge is right

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36802328/#:~:text=Conclusions%3A This study shows for,still outperform the top women.

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  • voodooV Offline
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    @Dodge said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @BlueWall_noReds said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    Interesting...

    Sep 2, 2024

    Female darts players threatened with disciplinary action for refusing to play transgender rivals

    Female darts players threatened with disciplinary action for refusing to play transgender rivals

    Crackdown has been condemned by those campaigning for trans women to be banned from female-only sport competitions

    Think we have a different bar as to what constitutes “interesting “

    Side note - why are there gendered darts competitions at all? Same with snooker, shooting etc

    Male abilities are different, not just strength. Spatial awareness for example.

    But even strength can be beneficial in those sports, sometimes a little power is needed.

    The weirdest thing for me is running where males dominate at every distance, but the gap erodes as the distances get extreme (like 300kms) where female ultra-marathoners are right there and often win races

    Sorry to break it to you but that is a myth. Check the records for each, the men’s records are still 15-17% quicker than the women’s - about the same percentage at every distance from 100metres up.

    Ross Tucker has talked about this, the reason women sometimes win those races is because of how incredibly niche they are, and the best women can be better than a non best man, but actually the best against best would still show male advantage.

    Don’t be a women hater bro. 😎

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  • No QuarterN Offline
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    #1171

    Rowling is right to just call these people what they are now - cheats. A 45 year old bloke deciding to compete in the women's event, meaning women miss out on spots, is just straight up cheating, and ignorance of the advantages they have is not a good enough excuse. The Olympic committee is just the absolute worst for allowing this shit.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350402872/tearful-transgender-athlete-valentina-petrillo-defiant-amid-paralympics-scandal

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  • antipodeanA Online
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    @No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    Rowling is right to just call these people what they are now - cheats. A 45 year old bloke deciding to compete in the women's event, meaning women miss out on spots, is just straight up cheating, and ignorance of the advantages they have is not a good enough excuse. The Olympic committee is just the absolute worst for allowing this shit.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350402872/tearful-transgender-athlete-valentina-petrillo-defiant-amid-paralympics-scandal

    And the disability is "sight impairment".

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    Interesting...

    Sep 1, 2024

    Record number of people apply to change gender, figures show

    Record number of people apply to change gender, figures show

    Experts say the rise has been driven by millennials and Gen Z, who made the majority of applications

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  • CatograndeC Offline
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    replied to MiketheSnow on last edited by
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    @MiketheSnow said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    Could / Should be a landmark case

    From that vid it looks as though there may be a bit more to the story. Is he simply refusing to condone and teach the trans ideology or is he actively demonising both the ideology and people who are trans? Going by that screeching woman supporting him it wouldn’t surprise me if it was the latter.

    Ironically she looks a bit like a tranny herself.

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    @Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @MiketheSnow said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    Could / Should be a landmark case

    From that vid it looks as though there may be a bit more to the story. Is he simply refusing to condone and teach the trans ideology or is he actively demonising both the ideology and people who are trans? Going by that screeching woman supporting him it wouldn’t surprise me if it was the latter.

    Ironically she looks a bit like a tranny herself.

    Either way, he should be able to express his own opinions to give a balanced case for or against transitioning

    Best scenario would be to leave this insidious indoctrination out of the classroom all together

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  • MiketheSnowM Offline
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    @antipodean said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    Rowling is right to just call these people what they are now - cheats. A 45 year old bloke deciding to compete in the women's event, meaning women miss out on spots, is just straight up cheating, and ignorance of the advantages they have is not a good enough excuse. The Olympic committee is just the absolute worst for allowing this shit.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350402872/tearful-transgender-athlete-valentina-petrillo-defiant-amid-paralympics-scandal

    And the disability is "sight impairment".

    Massive impairment of morals

    Fuck him

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  • boobooB Offline
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    @BlueWall_noReds said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    Interesting...

    Sep 1, 2024

    Record number of people apply to change gender, figures show

    Record number of people apply to change gender, figures show

    Experts say the rise has been driven by millennials and Gen Z, who made the majority of applications

    So the number of freaks are growing? Facts confirming perception.

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    Dodge
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    Definitely not a social contagion though…

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  • CatograndeC Offline
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    @MiketheSnow said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @MiketheSnow said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    Could / Should be a landmark case

    From that vid it looks as though there may be a bit more to the story. Is he simply refusing to condone and teach the trans ideology or is he actively demonising both the ideology and people who are trans? Going by that screeching woman supporting him it wouldn’t surprise me if it was the latter.

    Ironically she looks a bit like a tranny herself.

    Either way, he should be able to express his own opinions to give a balanced case for or against transitioning

    Best scenario would be to leave this insidious indoctrination out of the classroom all together

    You'll not find me disagreeing on either count.

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    I'm at the point now if a political party ran purely on a platform against this insanity they would have my vote. Especially if it included severe criminal repercusions against these 'professionals' butchering children. How on earth has the world gotten into this state? I see NZ have again delayed a report on puberty blockers again, I wonder what that means?

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  • nzzpN Online
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    @Rembrandt said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    , I wonder what that means?

    You know what that means.

    If the facts (aka science) doesn't agree with ideology, then the science is wrong. So you get into cognitivie dissonance with the shared worldview

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  • CatograndeC Offline
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    @MiketheSnow said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @MiketheSnow said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    Could / Should be a landmark case

    From that vid it looks as though there may be a bit more to the story. Is he simply refusing to condone and teach the trans ideology or is he actively demonising both the ideology and people who are trans? Going by that screeching woman supporting him it wouldn’t surprise me if it was the latter.

    Ironically she looks a bit like a tranny herself.

    Either way, he should be able to express his own opinions to give a balanced case for or against transitioning

    Best scenario would be to leave this insidious indoctrination out of the classroom all together

    As I thought, more than meets the eye. That arrest was made September 2023 following a previous arrest the year before. The arrest was not for refusing to use preferred pronouns or speaking against trans-ing (is that a word?) but was for contempt of a court order banning him from going to the school from which he was suspended on paid leave. Now we can all argue that his initial position was reasonable ( and I would argue that), but the school have their view point and went through the proper channels all the way through..

    NB he has recently been released.. We'll see what the next steps are.

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    @nzzp said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    @Rembrandt said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

    , I wonder what that means?

    You know what that means.

    If the facts (aka science) doesn't agree with ideology, then the science is wrong. So you get into cognitivie dissonance with the shared worldview

    The UK did an in-depth, scientific, peer-reviewed report/review into transgender cate for children (Cass Report). It effectively called Puberty Blockers untested, dangerous and advised they should be banned for children

    The British Medical Association Board (representing 195k doctors) almost immediately rejected the report, calling the findings "unsubstantiated" - despite the scientific evidence - with some leaders calling the report "toxic".......

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