Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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@Kiwidom said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
We are also one of the dumbest teams in work rugby. Some stupid stuff in second half.
My work rugby team would be pretty dumb.
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Last 20 was, as ever, utter shite.. Mistakes so bloody predictable - game after game after game. Did we get within 1 metre of the line?
We really need to start questioning Robertson's ability at Test level and/or if he and his approach needs reviewing - we've gone backwards in the head-space department which was, allegedly, his big strength.
Schmidt will be fancying his chances, that's for sure
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The question is does Razor have the guts to can some of these experienced players
I have my doubts
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The question is does Razor have the guts to can some of these experienced players
I have my doubts
They gutsed their way to a RWC final but the reality is some of these lads have been living a charmed life for 3 or 4 years.
Cane and TJP are occupying jerseys during their "notice period".
Ardie and Beaudie and Cane swanned in from Japan.
A clamour in the media and insinuations from Razor that they want overseas lads to come back.
Lads who played super and won the title left disenfranchised by being omitted from squad.
A coach resigning/being sacked after 4 games.
The whole project is sour.
Razor should have got it when Foster got it, when he had his loyal lieutenants Mo'unga and Whitelock to implement his plan.
He is all dressed up now with nowhere to go, He has arrived to the prom after the music stopped.
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Leadership quiet
Not much between the teams
BB and TJP not number one in positions now.
Lomax Taylor Williams good
Vaai fantastic
Sititi needs extended run now
Cane still got it
Ratima number one
Persevere with Jordan at 15 now
Need fast wings Clarke ..
Proctor needs to come in
Ridiculous Sititi was subbed
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Time for Cortez to develop and nail the starting spot IMHO
Sure. But he's not the problem we need to fix.
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Time for Cortez to develop and nail the starting spot IMHO
Sure. But he's not the problem we need to fix.
Well he kind of is
He needs time and minutes to keep TJP on the bench or off the team sheet all together
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@nostrildamus I like Cam Roigard, but the French have Antonie Dupont.
England and Ireland don't lose many at home at moment. Ireland are something like 16 or 17 games unbeaten at the Aviva.
@sparky said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus I like Cam Roigard, but the French have Antonie Dupont.
England and Ireland don't lose many at home at moment. Ireland are something like 16 or 17 games unbeaten at the Aviva.
You're trying to beat me in submission with facts and cold hard logic. Unfair!
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@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Razors win loss record sits at 57%
That might be good enough if he was coach of Scotland or Wales, but not good enough from the coach of the ABs.
@sparky said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Razors win loss record sits at 57%
That might be good enough if he was coach of Scotland or Wales, but not good enough from the coach of the ABs.
The ABs are certainly playing like Wales
Footshooting on par
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@sparky said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Razors win loss record sits at 57%
That might be good enough if he was coach of Scotland or Wales, but not good enough from the coach of the ABs.
The ABs are certainly playing like Wales
Footshooting on par
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The ABs are certainly playing like Wales
Now now we're not that bad.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Time for Cortez to develop and nail the starting spot IMHO
Sure. But he's not the problem we need to fix.
Well he kind of is
He needs time and minutes to keep TJP on the bench or off the team sheet all together
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
He needs time and minutes to keep TJP on the bench or off the team sheet all together
As far as I saw the coach benched him, he could have played 80?
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Razors win loss record sits at 57%
@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Razors win loss record sits at 57%
It's not just the losses, it's the nature of the losses and the headless-chicken-under-pressure stuff.. And you can't see any sign of him getting a grip
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TJP and BB are well past it. They have been great All Blacks but their current form is too low. Once again, BB's bad habit to kick away hard won possession cost the game. Another turning point was Scott Barrett's knock on when the pressure was on the Boks' line. Now that the RC is lost, Razor should try the likes of Proctor, Love and Tosi (the latter from the bench) to add more attacking threat. One missed tackle apart, I like what I saw of Sititi. His example shows that playing young guns is sometimes worth the risk.
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The question is does Razor have the guts to can some of these experienced players
I have my doubts
They gutsed their way to a RWC final but the reality is some of these lads have been living a charmed life for 3 or 4 years.
Cane and TJP are occupying jerseys during their "notice period".
Ardie and Beaudie and Cane swanned in from Japan.
A clamour in the media and insinuations from Razor that they want overseas lads to come back.
Lads who played super and won the title left disenfranchised by being omitted from squad.
A coach resigning/being sacked after 4 games.
The whole project is sour.
Razor should have got it when Foster got it, when he had his loyal lieutenants Mo'unga and Whitelock to implement his plan.
He is all dressed up now with nowhere to go, He has arrived to the prom after the music stopped.
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The question is does Razor have the guts to can some of these experienced players
I have my doubts
They gutsed their way to a RWC final but the reality is some of these lads have been living a charmed life for 3 or 4 years.
Cane and TJP are occupying jerseys during their "notice period".
Ardie and Beaudie and Cane swanned in from Japan.
A clamour in the media and insinuations from Razor that they want overseas lads to come back.
Lads who played super and won the title left disenfranchised by being omitted from squad.
A coach resigning/being sacked after 4 games.
The whole project is sour.
Razor should have got it when Foster got it, when he had his loyal lieutenants Mo'unga and Whitelock to implement his plan.
He is all dressed up now with nowhere to go, He has arrived to the prom after the music stopped.
I've been critical of Cane's play and (lack of) leadership in the past but he's provided the platform for NZ to win the past two matches
No mean feat for someone obviously short of top class minutes in his legs
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It is pretty clear to me that BB doesn't have the pace or confidence to draw and pass at a top AB level. And his kicking is still rocks silt and a few small diamonds.
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
It is pretty clear to me that BB doesn't have the pace or confidence to draw and pass at a top AB level. And his kicking is still rocks silt and a few small diamonds.
Beaudens legs cant do what his brain wants anymore.
His wheels got him out of his ridiculous decision making in the past.
Im watching one of my favourite players wither on the vine.
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
He needs time and minutes to keep TJP on the bench or off the team sheet all together
As far as I saw the coach benched him, he could have played 80?
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
He needs time and minutes to keep TJP on the bench or off the team sheet all together
As far as I saw the coach benched him, he could have played 80?
Absolutely
That's shit coaching / hoping that TJP can pull something out of the bag
Razor knows that's not the case now, so play Cortez until he drops
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@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The question is does Razor have the guts to can some of these experienced players
I have my doubts
They gutsed their way to a RWC final but the reality is some of these lads have been living a charmed life for 3 or 4 years.
Cane and TJP are occupying jerseys during their "notice period".
Ardie and Beaudie and Cane swanned in from Japan.
A clamour in the media and insinuations from Razor that they want overseas lads to come back.
Lads who played super and won the title left disenfranchised by being omitted from squad.
A coach resigning/being sacked after 4 games.
The whole project is sour.
Razor should have got it when Foster got it, when he had his loyal lieutenants Mo'unga and Whitelock to implement his plan.
He is all dressed up now with nowhere to go, He has arrived to the prom after the music stopped.
I've been critical of Cane's play and (lack of) leadership in the past but he's provided the platform for NZ to win the past two matches
No mean feat for someone obviously short of top class minutes in his legs
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The question is does Razor have the guts to can some of these experienced players
I have my doubts
They gutsed their way to a RWC final but the reality is some of these lads have been living a charmed life for 3 or 4 years.
Cane and TJP are occupying jerseys during their "notice period".
Ardie and Beaudie and Cane swanned in from Japan.
A clamour in the media and insinuations from Razor that they want overseas lads to come back.
Lads who played super and won the title left disenfranchised by being omitted from squad.
A coach resigning/being sacked after 4 games.
The whole project is sour.
Razor should have got it when Foster got it, when he had his loyal lieutenants Mo'unga and Whitelock to implement his plan.
He is all dressed up now with nowhere to go, He has arrived to the prom after the music stopped.
I've been critical of Cane's play and (lack of) leadership in the past but he's provided the platform for NZ to win the past two matches
No mean feat for someone obviously short of top class minutes in his legs
I dont blame Cane. Hes been great.
But we used to be ruthless. There was no sentiment.
We used to back our depth and move on.
Piutau, Dagg in 2015, Nonu in 2007, Ben Smith in 2019.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
He needs time and minutes to keep TJP on the bench or off the team sheet all together
As far as I saw the coach benched him, he could have played 80?
Absolutely
That's shit coaching / hoping that TJP can pull something out of the bag
Razor knows that's not the case now, so play Cortez until he drops
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
That's shit coaching / hoping that TJP can pull something out of the bag
Razor knows that's not the case now, so play Cortez until he dropsAgreed. And TJP mouthing off the second week in a row, risking a second yellow card would be an instant drop from me if I was coach (but I don't breakdance any more).
I'm a bit worried about Aumua, plenty to like but Codie is currently hard to replace.
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Last 20 was, as ever, utter shite.. Mistakes so bloody predictable - game after game after game. Did we get within 1 metre of the line?
We really need to start questioning Robertson's ability at Test level and/or if he and his approach needs reviewing - we've gone backwards in the head-space department which was, allegedly, his big strength.
Schmidt will be fancying his chances, that's for sure
@Victor-Meldrew no reliable kicker in international rugby, no winning.
ABs had the opportunity in 2nd half to go back in front and put pressure back on SA. They failed. That isn’t Robertson’s fault.
Ardie failing to secure the ball at the back of the maul after winning the lineout. Is that the coach’s fault? And then the team compounded it with a penalty with a reckless clear out to gift SA an exit.
Sevu Reece switching off in the corner, more interested in engaging the ref rather than watching Marx.
There are some players who have stood up. Lomax, Taylor, Williams, Va’ai, Cane, Sititi. Ratima was v good too.
The back line, which has been a source of strength for NZ is currently the weak link. The forwards are fronting up in the set piece and breakdown. They are winning enough ball, but the backs are not penetrating enough. In this area, there will be significant change.
Roigard will come back, 10 is up for grabs (let’s see if Mo’unga comes back too), centres has competition. The outside backs need a shakeup. NZ missed Clark today and someone at 15 who is a confident high ball catcher.
