Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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Plummer at 10. If that’s the solution then we’re asking the wrong question. Has never looked a ten for an international team hoping to be at the top of the pile. Don’t mind if he gets a game vs a minnow.
Back 3 and Perenara were the the weak links today. If the play the likes of Ireland will pepper us with high kicks all day.
Rieko to wing and give proctor a go. Also give love a go.
These 2 games reminded me of the anton Oliver era. Lots of narrow losses.
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Williams, de Groot
Lomax Newell
Sami Tayor Aumua
Barrett Vaai Darry HollandSolid base
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Unlike last week I never really felt we were going to win that one.
I want to stick up for the ref. I thought he was really good. I couldn't find major fault in any decision. I thought he got the YCs exactly correct. He was good in the breakdown about not allowing tacklers to help jacklers get onto the ball. Where the tackler cleared the area he was consistent in penalising isolated players.
With the pace of the game at this level and the complexity of the situation, I don't think that is as good a game as you will ever see.
Also I did not like TJ making sarcastic comments in commentary about last week's ref. That sort of thing is churlish and unbecoming.
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@Jet fitness of the starters isn’t the issue. Lomax and Williams were both going well past 60 mins. Taylor went 80.
The issue is that the quality coming off the bench is unable to maintain the levels of the starting XV. ABs bench used to raise the performance levels in last 20. If that were the case today, the game was there to be won.
One of the keys for Robertson is to find the right mix of bench players to inject impetus and maintain performance, or even better, raise it to get that late game surge working again.
The other is to stop the mistakes. Sometimes there is a time to play. Sometimes there is a time to work from set piece to set piece and be patient. Patience is lacking in the ABs right now and it shows in the leaders.
The good news is that the current AB team and coaches were not far from winning both tests in SA against the reigning world champs and current leading SH nation. ABs have been measured and have seen their limitations. Now the major work starts.
@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Jet fitness of the starters isn’t the issue. Lomax and Williams were both going well past 60 mins. Taylor went 80.
The issue is that the quality coming off the bench is unable to maintain the levels of the starting XV. ABs bench used to raise the performance levels in last 20. If that were the case today, the game was there to be won.
One of the keys for Robertson is to find the right mix of bench players to inject impetus and maintain performance, or even better, raise it to get that late game surge working again.
The other is to stop the mistakes. Sometimes there is a time to play. Sometimes there is a time to work from set piece to set piece and be patient. Patience is lacking in the ABs right now and it shows in the leaders.
The good news is that the current AB team and coaches were not far from winning both tests in SA against the reigning world champs and current leading SH nation. ABs have been measured and have seen their limitations. Now the major work starts.
Aggree with you pretty well completely mate, funnily enough with @Jet as well, I had wondered when I went back to bed whether Love at 15 would be worth a look, with Jordan,Ioane and Clarke fighting wing spot? Perhap Proctor at 13, like ALB, but genuinely thinking of changing up.
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@Hooroo said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
How fucking poke is Talea? Can’t and won’t tackle and can’t catch.
He had a good year last year and a good wc ,it was like he was covered in Vaseline and no one could tackle him ,
but now it’s like all these negatives have appeared that either weren’t there or weren’t obvious last year .
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I am not overly worried we lost TBH.
We are not a bad team, we're just up against a team right at the top of their game and on top of the world.
Unlike the loss against the Pumas these were 2 reasonable performances.
I don't think Telea and Reese are up to it. Clarke on one wing and probably Jordan on the other is a much better fit.
I also am not sure why our props played so long. Our starting LH gave away a stupid YC in the 68th minute. He should have been subbed by that point.
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Shit selections, shit squad, shit coaches.
Quite the achievement to make me miss Fosters reign. We are soft as fuck.
@Kirwan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Shit selections, shit squad, shit coaches.
Quite the achievement to make me miss Fosters reign. We are soft as fuck.
Yeah, a Foster-coached Blues would have rag-dolled the Boks today
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@Kirwan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Shit selections, shit squad, shit coaches.
Quite the achievement to make me miss Fosters reign. We are soft as fuck.
Yeah, a Foster-coached Blues would have rag-dolled the Boks today
@Darth-Sader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Shit selections, shit squad, shit coaches.
Quite the achievement to make me miss Fosters reign. We are soft as fuck.
Yeah, a Foster-coached Blues would have rag-dolled the Boks today
We are going backwards is my point. We have the players to be better than this dross.
Ryan surely has to be under pressure?
Am sure the answer is more Cantabs, lol.
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@Kirwan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Shit selections, shit squad, shit coaches.
Quite the achievement to make me miss Fosters reign. We are soft as fuck.
Yeah, a Foster-coached Blues would have rag-dolled the Boks today
@Darth-Sader Boks would have loved playing against a Blues style team. It’d be like the Lions 2021 tour all over again. Meat and drink for the Boks.
Boks struggle when teams stretch them and tire them out. It requires patience. Something lacking in NZ rugby right now, but that is probably more to do with the lack of exposure NZ players get to this type of anaerobic playing style nowadays.
It is also worth pointing out that NZ have been poor for several years at u20 level. The new talent conveyor belt has been a bit empty. I think some of the new crop coming through show promise. Add Segner and Holland into the mix and the forward stocks look quite good.
AB coaches and NZ coaches in general are going to have to earn their corn by out coaching their opposites to exploit opposition flaws and mask NZ weaknesses. Time to innovate.
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@Darth-Sader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Shit selections, shit squad, shit coaches.
Quite the achievement to make me miss Fosters reign. We are soft as fuck.
Yeah, a Foster-coached Blues would have rag-dolled the Boks today
We are going backwards is my point. We have the players to be better than this dross.
Ryan surely has to be under pressure?
Am sure the answer is more Cantabs, lol.
@Kirwan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Ryan surely has to be under pressure?
The forwards weren't really the problem.
2nd half FB , Wingers and 2nd half HB were. -
Every single All Black forward should be able to take every single All Black back out the back of the stadium and beat them with sticks.
The forwards were under the pump early but righted the ship and took over and the backs repeatedly fucked everyone else. Knock ons, shit options, penalties, turnovers, missed kicks, dog shit.
Sam Cane is a fucking test match warrior, and th3 slander on his name from salty Blues fans needs a written fucking apology. Who hits fluffybunnies and stops them? Who gets breakdown turnovers and pressure? Who gets his old legs in to wide channels? The warrior.
Taylor my MotM, just a massive game. Starting props remarkable to sort the scrum and dominate around the track. Barrett much better this week but that knock on was terrible. Vaai more passive in contact but good on the floor and the air.
Good start with ball in hand for Sititi. Same old shit from Savea.It was an ugly game full of errors and aimless play. South Africa are not yet comfortable in their new game plan. Willy Le Roux is the worst top level regular test player in the world.
TJP needs to shut his fucking hole. Learn a lesson.
Fuck the backs
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Every single All Black forward should be able to take every single All Black back out the back of the stadium and beat them with sticks.
The forwards were under the pump early but righted the ship and took over and the backs repeatedly fucked everyone else. Knock ons, shit options, penalties, turnovers, missed kicks, dog shit.
Sam Cane is a fucking test match warrior, and th3 slander on his name from salty Blues fans needs a written fucking apology. Who hits fluffybunnies and stops them? Who gets breakdown turnovers and pressure? Who gets his old legs in to wide channels? The warrior.
Taylor my MotM, just a massive game. Starting props remarkable to sort the scrum and dominate around the track. Barrett much better this week but that knock on was terrible. Vaai more passive in contact but good on the floor and the air.
Good start with ball in hand for Sititi. Same old shit from Savea.It was an ugly game full of errors and aimless play. South Africa are not yet comfortable in their new game plan. Willy Le Roux is the worst top level regular test player in the world.
TJP needs to shut his fucking hole. Learn a lesson.
Fuck the backs
@mariner4life said in [Springboks vs All Blacks 2](/post/
Fuck the backs
Spoken like a true forward I applaud you.
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Unlike last week I never really felt we were going to win that one.
I want to stick up for the ref. I thought he was really good. I couldn't find major fault in any decision. I thought he got the YCs exactly correct. He was good in the breakdown about not allowing tacklers to help jacklers get onto the ball. Where the tackler cleared the area he was consistent in penalising isolated players.
With the pace of the game at this level and the complexity of the situation, I don't think that is as good a game as you will ever see.
Also I did not like TJ making sarcastic comments in commentary about last week's ref. That sort of thing is churlish and unbecoming.
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@W32 You didn't have non-Whites playing rugby in those days ...
Wasn't dissing the Boks' achievement, merely pointing out another reason why this current record is so shit by us.
And the Boks certainly had a better win/loss against us in that time. I'm sure it was purely coincidental that it was in the era before neutral referees.
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I am not overly worried we lost TBH.
We are not a bad team, we're just up against a team right at the top of their game and on top of the world.
Unlike the loss against the Pumas these were 2 reasonable performances.
I don't think Telea and Reese are up to it. Clarke on one wing and probably Jordan on the other is a much better fit.
I also am not sure why our props played so long. Our starting LH gave away a stupid YC in the 68th minute. He should have been subbed by that point.
@Damo said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
I am not overly worried we lost TBH.
We are not a bad team, we're just up against a team right at the top of their game and on top of the world.
Get all that but that was never an acceptable attitude in the past , we have become the vanilla allblacks,
